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yankel berel
That was a rather inaccurate summary. Wow.The facts are that the Zionist army is shmad. Period. Hypotheticals of what if the “State” would be haredi instead of Zionist are just that: hypothetical (and impossible, as per the oaths, but that’s almost besides the point).
As well, the choice is not a binary at all. They can simply pick up and leave. Or, they can defend themselves without the framework of the Zionist shmad army at all. “Wholesale slaughter” is a straw-man argument by you.
HaKatan: Thank you for all your excellent posts fully explaining the Torah’s position on this issue.
Hakatan’s defence of Hashem, Torah, and Am Yisroel is refreshing and much needed in CR. If he prevents even one fool from joining the death cult army called “IDF” he will have saved a whole world.
Distorting my post .
will repeat :
Heard the following numerous times from literal readers of vayoel moshe“even if the whole medina would be fully haredi and the hafets hayim himself would be PM , it would be yehareig ve’al yaavor to join the fully haredi IDF because it still would classify as an army of shmad.”
this is a true reflection of that school and even katan in his heart agrees to this, because you will see :
HE WILL NOT DENY THIS !
he might sidestep it , but he will not deny this .—
same with the second point
Heard the following also , numerous times from literal readers of vayoel moshe :“when faced with a binary choice of
either chv’sh the wholesale slaughter of all inhabitants of EY versus enlistment ,
they would choose the former”and again , proof in the pudding
this is a true reflection of that school and even katan in his heart agrees to this, because you will see :
HE WILL NOT DENY THIS !
he might sidestep it , but he will not deny this ..
SQUARE_ROOT:
You seem to be projecting. Please seek assistance about that. Also, please stop copying/pasting Zionist propaganda – and lies and falsehoods – all over these boards. Zionist idolatry and lies are already pervasive without your adding to that.good to hear that ujm and somejew support katan’s parroting
clear indication that that all of their own explanations are also a result of their blind non thinking adherence to literal reading of a totally anachronistic minority view .
.yankel berel:
It’s a shame that you consider the Torah’s view to be minor and anachronistic.
Torah-observant Jews accord the Torah view as the supreme view over liHavdil anything else.@ HaKatan
“It’s a shame that you consider the Torah’s view to be minor and anachronistic.”
Actually, he has demonstrated conclusively and at length that what you are espousing is not the Torah view. But, that’s ok, keep doing your thing.
to katan :
It’s a shame that you consider the literal interpretation of the holy satmar rebbe’s writings as anything more than a minority view and anachronistic.
Torah-observant Jews through the ages , accord the Torah view, unburdened with previous prejudices , coupled with , and applied to objective reality , as the supreme view over liHavdil anything else.
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btw. katan has never answered how many birurim of the reality he would make before his daughters major surgery
more than the platitude of ‘giving land to esav’ ?
less than the platitude of ‘giving land to esav’ ?
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katan seems like he is not in the business of answering questionshe seems more into parroting
parrots do not answer questions
parrots do not think
.Am happy to hear an answer
from katan
from somejew
from ujm
from anyone else ….
but please – to the point ……
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.It wouldn’t be “haredi” and I the chofetz chaim is not alive. I also don’t have any way to imaging the chofetz chaim going off the Torah derech. But, sure, chilil shabbos is chillil shabbos. shmad is shmad. aveiros are aveiros.
Do you think the chofetz chaim could become a catholic nun? would THAT mean you should also?
classic sidestepping ….
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the original q was :
Do you agree or disagree with the following statement ?
—“even if the whole medina would be fully haredi and the hafets hayim himself would be PM , it would be yehareig ve’al yaavor to join the fully haredi IDF because it still would classify as an army of shmad”.
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Obviously in a fully haredi army with a PM like the hafets hayim if he would be alive ,
THERE IS NO AVEROT , NO HILLUL SHABBAT , NO GILUY ARAYOT .
only the mere existence of the army , only as a shmira for a fully haredi citizenry ,
is THAT yeahreig veal yaavor ? yes or no ?
and why ?
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.YB:
Do you agree or disagree with the following statement? “Even if the whole Mormon Church would be fully chareidi and the Chafetz Chaim would be the PM…”Obviously, that makes no sense.
Zionism is the replacement theology of Judaism, replacing G-d and Torah-based Judaism with idolatrous and godless Zionism, and replacing Jews with Zionists/Hebrews. Therefore, Zionism is shmad, no matter who is its leader. And it is impossible for a Zionist “State” to be chareidi, because that is a total self-contradiction.
This is silly beyond words , sorry
then the mormon church will have undergone full giyur and keep taryag mitsvot …
.you know exactly what the question was .
if the whole citizenry would keep all mitsvot , except for your understanding of the oaths , that is .
So the question is, again , in such a case ,
THERE IS NO AVEROT , NO HILLUL SHABBAT , NO GILUY ARAYOT .
only the mere existence of the army , only as a shmira for a fully haredi citizenry ,
is THAT yeahreig veal yaavor ? yes or no ?
and why ?
please , no sidestepping . —- can we get a clear answer ?
.there is no “side-stepping” here.
if the morman’s did ALL that with the only caveat being they believed in their false moshiach, then it would still not be valid.
so too Judaism rejects this false moshaich called zionism.
we cannot remove even one letter of the Torah.
no one suggested removing a letter from the torah
if the whole citizenry would keep all mitsvot , except for your understanding of the oaths , that is .
So the question is, again , in such a case ,
THERE IS NO AVEROT ,
besides the mere existence of the army , only as a shmira for a fully haredi citizenry ,
is THAT yeahreig veal yaavor ? yes or no ?
and why ?
what is the proof / source ?
please – no sidestepping
and , please a direct and clear answer
.nu mr somejew ??
Why are they [somejew and katan] so scared to answer ?
is it because of lack of answers ????
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