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if Navi told me that, I would first use Rambam’s method to test the Navi and, after validating his status and other security checks, I would ask him what should I do in this situation, And, again, your questions are exceedingly silly.
First, in our day & age, you should be able to bring valid numbers, not hearsay, to support them. Please do.
Second, if a navi tells you that you can apply simple measures to reduce this attrition rate – by teaching your kids appropriately – giving them military specialties, teaching them middos and exercise, by organizing social services to support soldiers, would you refuse to do that?
@aaq
why are you sidestepping ?
I asked you a simple question …
if a navi told you that 3 of your kids will …. no matter what you advise them
what would you do ?
what’s so hard ?
.I cannot understand why every answer of yours is again – sidestepping ….
Obvious you would test the the navi.
Obvious you would ask the navi what to do …
The q is ,again, navi tested – tick.
navi not available for advice , result of circumstances – tick.
you have to decide on your own
you know for a fact that 3 of your sons will return as a cripple
you know for a fact that 3 of your sons will return without their religion
the choice is clear – either you send all , or you send none
what would you do ?
send all ten ?
or send none ?
in both cases – the cripple case and the religion case –
please don’t avoid , not asking for more than a simple clear cut answer ….
.I was totally wrong saying “I would ask Navi what to do”. R Shimshon Hirsh on Shoftim says that Navi’s job is to transmit a message from Hashem to us – not necessarily answer our own shailos. So, if a navi makes a bad projection, I think we can follow what we learned, for example, in Yonah – doing teshuva may overturn the gezerah raah. So, in this case, I’ll immediately turn to repeat the mussar that I already taught my kids, maybe get someone married earlier. Maybe I would call my friends in the army to make sure my kids are doing something safe, both physically and spiritually (they are already qualified because I taught them, just making sure they are not sent somewhere else).
@aaq
Again – sidestepping ….
the q was very simple – in a case when it cannot be helped !
it is impossible to rectify it, this is a fixed result , no matter what advice you give the kids,
.A] 3 kids are coming back crippled l’o
would you send all ten – yes or no ?
.B] 3 kids are coming back without their religion l’o
would you send all ten – yes or no ?
.simple q
deserves a simple answer …
.yankel> it is impossible to rectify it, this is a fixed result , no matter what advice you give the kids,
this is kefirah, greek tragedy where whatever a person gets a “prophecy”, does everything to avoid it, but ends up with inevitable results predicted by “gods”.
and while you are at that, please give us something to work with. As I suggested, go to your Rosh Yeshiva and ask him for numbers and also for a permission to contact graduates and see what happens with them. I’ll be interested to hear this.
unfortunately, @yankel-berel is deperate to always remove Hashem from the equation, believing his histadlis are what saves lives and that ultimately he is in control of his destiny. Zionist call this “self fulfillment”. Jews call this “kochi votzem yudi”.
@aaq
unfortunately, @somejew is desperate to always misinterpret yankels comments , making believe that
yankel said his own histadlis are what saves lives and that ultimately he is in control of his own destiny.
somejew does not [want to] understand the oft repeated axiom from kadmonenu that in saving or helping others ,
there is no inyan of bitachon . one is mehuyav to approach that inyan of helping others as
if there is no inyan of bitachon on the RBSH”O , and has to be done ‘all out’.
that was all yankel said .
he merely quoted from kadmonenu
so- what follows is that , when considering helping and saving your neighbor[s] , the hiyuv hishtadlut has to be “all out ”
as the everyday example of the tsadiqim of hatsala amply demonstrate
they do not wait and shmooze , they run as fast as they can ,
even if it is a safek , even it is a sfek sfeika , even if it is a sfek sfek sfeika , even if it is a sfek sfek sfek sfek sfeika,
even on shabbat , even on yom tov , even on yom kippur
and they do not say , the result is anyway bashert , I have bitachon,
I can walk the same pace I walk to shul , or to do any other mitsva , whatever happens will happen anyway …
no hatsala member , anywhere in the world, has that approach
because of that axiom in yahadut – when you have to help or save someone else
the hiyuv is to act as if the outcome depends only on your actions
that is not kfira chv’sh , that is the proper approach al pi torah
thats all yankel has been saying from the start, and that is all yankel continues to say in to the future
somejew is ignoring that , at his own peril
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@aaq
it seems you are determined to make it into the Guinness book of records under the subject of sidestepping …
such a simple question and you keep on refusing to answer …
what’s the big deal about answering ?
in case where advice etc. does not help – ,period.
in a cold , cost and benefit analysis , would you send all ten , or would you send none ?
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I am [patiently…] waiting for your honors wisdom ….
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