Remembering the British Holocaust
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December 18, 2017 10:22 am at 10:22 am #1429134
In the 1960s, there were over half a million Jews in the UK
Now in 2017, 50 years later there are less than half of that. (Approximately 230,000).
A holocaust has swept this island.
With intermarriage increasing and older people making up a majority of Jews, this number is set to shrink to 70,000 by 2050. The only people who are going to affect this statistic is the rapidly growing religious communities, particularly those in London, Manchester, Leeds and Bournemouth. (Crawley barely has minyan)
We need to make some sort of memorial to the holocaust that took place in my country.
Perhaps showing all the glorious shuls that once flourished from Grimsby to the East End, Doncaster to Welwyn and beyond.
We need exhibitions showing the richness of Jewish life here through the last 300 years since Jews returned after the expulsion. Their dedication to Torah and education, their gemilus chassadim and their love for one another.
If we don’t, who will?
I would appreciate suggestions of any ideas , as when I travel the country, I just see old forlorn and bolted cemetries and shuls, with no memories of the people who used to daven there, walk there learn there.
We all go to Poland and Russia to kivrei tzadikim but we must not forget the Jews of the United Kingdom, Particularly England, who have been all but remembered.
I particularly call on British Jews who’s grandparents lived in the shtetlach and cities across the country to share your memories and thoughts and perhaps begin something big as a memory for all the Jews who lived here over the last few hundred years.
The Rabbi Of Crawley
Crawley, West Sussex, UKDecember 18, 2017 11:15 am at 11:15 am #1429344JosephParticipant
Ironically British Jewry is quickly reaching the point of their being a Chareidi/Orthodox majority.
The only cure to save Jews, the one and only one, is to be Orthodox.December 18, 2017 11:15 am at 11:15 am #1429349lesschumrasParticipant
The use of the term holocaust in this context demeans te term.December 18, 2017 12:49 pm at 12:49 pm #1429388yehudayonaParticipant
Haven’t a lot of British Jews made aliyah? That’s certainly the case with the frummer of my British relatives.September 25, 2019 9:22 pm at 9:22 pm #1789763
2 years on and this holocaust is only getting worse. Brexit doesnt helpSeptember 25, 2019 10:50 pm at 10:50 pm #1789771akupermaParticipant
Non-Orthodox Jews tend to assimilate. So what’s the hiddush?September 26, 2019 4:12 am at 4:12 am #1789804TheMirParticipant
Bournemouth really isnt on the regrowth map. If you want an example of a Jewish stronghold look at Gateshead.
Bottom line is, in the places where people worked hard to set up Jewish schools, they flourished. Where that was not a priority, they went out the window.September 26, 2019 4:12 am at 4:12 am #1789803TheMirParticipant
With all due respect, there is much more rebirth and growth in Gateshead than Bournemouth. How many Bar mitzvas are there in Bournemouth every Shabbos?September 26, 2019 7:14 am at 7:14 am #1789810
I inow people who live in bournemouth. Bar mitzvas are not so common as the community is one more of retirees than lottle children , howe er there are constantly more and more older people relocating there from london including chassidim
Gateshead is growing but many people are leaving as well due to the lack of jobs in the areaSeptember 26, 2019 9:48 am at 9:48 am #1789837MilhouseParticipant
There is no shul in Crawley, nor any rabbi or minyan.September 26, 2019 11:07 am at 11:07 am #1789852lakewhutParticipant
Liberalism destroyed the country. They were once the model for countries to look up to. Not anymore.September 26, 2019 12:32 pm at 12:32 pm #1789898MDGParticipant
The OP said
“We need to make some sort of memorial to the holocaust that took place in my country.”
The best memorial would be a yeshiva or school, a living monument. Better yet, support talmidim to go to EY to learn.
Everything else would just be a waste of money. Some statue in the middle of nowhere that no one cares about.September 26, 2019 3:40 pm at 3:40 pm #1790006mentsch1Participant
“Holocaust” means a Korban Oleh (google it)
A sacrifice burnt entirely to the RBSO
The word is bestowed on Kedoshim
I refuse to use the word for people that choose to leave the foldSeptember 26, 2019 4:31 pm at 4:31 pm #1790023akupermaParticipant
From the point of view of Jewish survival, a Jew vanishing from Klal Yisrael due to assimilation is no different than being murdered by the goyim. The reality is that non-Orthodox Jews “disappear” within a few generations. There is a “line” based on observance of Torah and Mitsvos, and once you cross it, it become statistically likely that the grandchildren will not identify as Jews.September 26, 2019 6:49 pm at 6:49 pm #1790062It is Time for TruthParticipant
a lofty person actually said it’s potentially worse than the Holocaust
What about those who burned tefillin in the Warsaw GhettoSeptember 26, 2019 10:25 pm at 10:25 pm #1790075mentsch1Participant
If a person is killed bc he is Jewish he has died al pi kiddush hashem. This discussion came up recently after the Pittsburgh shooting. Those in the temple were supposedly celebrating a “bris” of an adopted boy to a toevah couple.
The question I had was, how can you simultaneously be creating a chillul hashem and kiddush hashem?
But research seems to show that regardless, if you are killed bc you are Jewish you have died al pi kiddush hashem.
Do you not see the tremendous difference between that and choosing to marry a shiksa?
The word holocaust implies dying for the RBSO
It should not be used for assimilationOctober 6, 2019 8:28 pm at 8:28 pm #1791627
mainstream Jews as well as orthodox Jews must establish a national British holocaust museumOctober 7, 2019 12:08 am at 12:08 am #1791682David YParticipant
I agree that the use of the term “holocaust” is misplaced in this context and suggest that the moderator has erred in allowing the original text to go through. As already pointed out by others, the term:
1) Refers to the slaughter of offerings, hence the connotation of Kiddush al’Hashem
2) Has colloquially come to refer to state-sponsored criminal genocide based on race and or religion.
3) By using it in the current context of supposed intermarriage or decline in observance it lends a halo of sacrifice and Kiddush al’Hashem to irreligiosity.
4) It creates a slur against Britain and the British People, not just England but also the Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish who have nothing to do whatsoever with the problem.October 7, 2019 12:08 am at 12:08 am #1791680RichardMParticipant
Rabbi of Crawley: If you feel so strongly why don’t you start campaigning and fundraising through the appropriate channels? Of course, that would probably mean your having to identify yourself …October 7, 2019 7:37 am at 7:37 am #1791695
david y – to me the term holocaust represents the genocide of a peple, culture, identity or heritage.
What is upsetting is that some people can use the term holocsust exclusively to serve their needs.
I do believe that almost all countries including britain had some role to play in the death if almost 6 million holy jews between 1940-1945
britain fof example is less than 50 miles from wheee deportations in northern france were taking place and also brhtain returnef thousands of doomed jews to europe upon trying to enter palestineOctober 7, 2019 7:37 am at 7:37 am #1791693MilhouseParticipant
There is no rabbi in Crawley.October 16, 2019 11:22 am at 11:22 am #1793004hujuParticipant
Thank you, lesschum.October 18, 2019 8:04 am at 8:04 am #1793487☢️ Rand0m3x 🎲Participant
Do “Decline of culture X” museums exist?September 24, 2020 4:23 pm at 4:23 pm #1904365
Soon the 2021 census is going to begin and with it , will show how the situation is demographically for Anglo Jewry
welcome Rabbi, glad you’re well -29
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