August 14, 2011 1:25 am at 1:25 am #598608StamperMember
Why do some people think that saying “Nu!” in middle of davening or bentching, when it is prohibited to talk, is any different than outright speaking and saying “stop talking” or “pass the sefer” or whatever it is that they are attempting to communicate?August 14, 2011 2:18 am at 2:18 am #797443WolfishMusingsParticipant
I would argue (note, it’s just an argument, not a p’sak; if you believe I’m wrong, I’ll certainly entertain arguments) that if someone is disturbing you to the point where you can’t continue davening, you can verbally ask them to stop — it’s no more a hefsek than asking for a knife is after you’ve washed.
The WolfAugust 14, 2011 2:30 am at 2:30 am #797444mustangriderMember
Wolf, im not contradicting you- but then why not just ask for the person to stop talking? Why would he need the “nu”?August 14, 2011 2:37 am at 2:37 am #797445WolfishMusingsParticipant
Why would he need the “nu”?
I don’t know. I would guess that some people consider “nu” to not be talking at all. I’ve seen people use it in situations where it was not justified at all.
The WolfAugust 14, 2011 2:37 am at 2:37 am #797446mewhoParticipant
right, like saying ”nu, shhh”
speaking is speaking no matter the word or soundAugust 14, 2011 7:55 am at 7:55 am #797447ToiParticipant
It’s Mivu’ar in Mishna Brura that any verbal comunication constitutes a hefsek aside from what wolf was saying above such as asking for the knife or salt etc.August 14, 2011 11:07 am at 11:07 am #797448
After making al netilas yodayim but before making hamotzi you can say to someone “Where is the knife”?August 14, 2011 2:10 pm at 2:10 pm #797449YW Moderator-80Member
YesAugust 14, 2011 2:34 pm at 2:34 pm #797450Feif UnParticipant
If it’s something that is required for the action, it’s not considered a hefsek.August 14, 2011 3:07 pm at 3:07 pm #797451newhereParticipant
wolf- There is a big difference between talking during davening and talking after washing. There is no issur of being mafsik between washing and eating, all we are concerned about is hesach haddas. Asking someone to bring a knife is directly related to the eating of the bread and therefore has no issue of hesach haddas. Davening, on the other hand, has an issue to be maskfik. I am not saying you are wrong that you can’t ask someone to stop, I am just saying that your analogy is flawed. A better analogy would be from the gemara that says one can say pass the salt even after making hamotzi ( I don’t know if the shulchan aruch brings this down lihalacha) or the fact that one could ask a shallah regarding their shemoneh esrei (e.g. forgetting yalleh viyavo) in middle of shemone esrei. My gut feeling would say that you are right lihalacha but I definitely would not do it without asking a shallah.August 14, 2011 3:16 pm at 3:16 pm #797452
Interesting, M80. I’ve always been making a kinfe-cutting hand-motion to my wife when I couldn’t find the knife. (Sometimes adding in a “nu” when the length of the pause seemed like a big hefsek.)August 14, 2011 6:08 pm at 6:08 pm #797453HaLeiViParticipant
You don’t say Nu, it is a noise just like a click with the tongue or snap of the finger. I know it’s a lot of fun to show how the whole world got it wrong, but usually, when something is common practice, the focus of our Chachamim was to realize its merit. Continue Nuing.August 14, 2011 6:36 pm at 6:36 pm #797454Abe CohenParticipant
Haleivi: If someone asks you in middle of the tefilla (when you can’t speak out) whether your glasses are old or new, can you say “new”? How is that different than saying the same “new” (nu) to signify something?August 14, 2011 6:50 pm at 6:50 pm #797455MichaelCMember
The Talmud is Berochos says you are not allowed to talk during davening.
This includes the words Nu that is a Hebrew word.August 14, 2011 7:34 pm at 7:34 pm #797456
Michael, What difference does it make if it is a Hebrew word or a word in another language? (Or even if it were a made-up word, for that matter.)August 14, 2011 7:37 pm at 7:37 pm #797457uneeqMember
You are correct that there’s a difference between talking in davening and talking after washing. However, talking after washing according to S”A for even random things is completely fine as long as you don’t forget about the bread (he says ‘Tov’ lehachmir). But according to the Rama, any talking or even not saying hamotzi within a time frame of walking 11 amos, will be considered not lecatchila. A suggested option to be machmir is to not dry your hands until you get to the table, as the netila goes after the drying, and therefore you can walk more than 11 amos that way.August 14, 2011 7:57 pm at 7:57 pm #797458chanieMemberAugust 14, 2011 8:56 pm at 8:56 pm #797459hello99Participant
MichaelC “This includes the words Nu that is a Hebrew word”
actually, it is not Hebrew. However, it is in the Russian dictionary and presumably entered our vernacular through Yiddish. Correct me if I’m wrong, but Sefardim rarely use itAugust 14, 2011 9:13 pm at 9:13 pm #797460cherrybimParticipant
But chassidem hold that for some reason one may repeat the word “knee” and it’s not a hefsik.August 14, 2011 10:33 pm at 10:33 pm #797461mustangriderMember
“Yalla! Nu!!!”August 14, 2011 10:37 pm at 10:37 pm #797462HaLeiViParticipant
There is no Hebrew word Nu. Those that pronounce the Kamatz as Koomitz, say Nee.August 14, 2011 11:26 pm at 11:26 pm #797463mw13Participant
I believe that “nu”ing is (in some cases) considered less of a hefsek than speaking is. That’s why we are noheg to say “nu” instead “please get the knife/salt/etc”.
“If someone asks you in middle of the tefilla (when you can’t speak out) whether your glasses are old or new, can you say “new”? How is that different than saying the same “new” (nu) to signify something?”
Because by “new” you are intending to say a word, and by “nu” you’re not.August 15, 2011 5:12 am at 5:12 am #797464am yisrael chaiParticipant
One can have a whole non-verbal conversation through gesturing, pointing, mouthing, signing, etc….or can one?
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