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September 11 erroneously is remembered as the tragic date for what transpired in 2001,however, today being the 23rd of Elul is actually
the Yortzeid, for yidden. It almost feels like there are two yortzeids every year. For all of the neshomas who perished that day al kiddush H-shem, they should have an aliyah le’aila ue’le
aila
Is there any reason a 9/11 victim was niftar al kiddush Hashem any more than a random murder victim?
(This is a serious question, not a statement. I’m not asking for anyone’s “gut feelings”, but rather source based replies.)
Amen.
You are 100% correct when saying that for us yidden it feels like there are 2 dates for this tragedy, I’ll never forget these dates.
Springbok,
I didn’t know today’s the yaahretzeit. Thank you for telling us.
Good question. The victims were not murdered because they were Jewish, rather because they were American. Unless the terrorists assumed that they will likely kill Jews and then they were killed solely for being Jewish, which may be considered al kiddush Hashem. (sorry, dont have any sources)
They were killed because they lived somewhere that allows people to live freely. Now, some people may abuse that freedom but it seems obvious to me that America is one of the most righteous countries we have ever had in world history (not saying it’s perfect or even close). I would assume that even the non-Jews who were killed died Al Kiddush Hashem.
On what (halachic) basis, Sam?
It seems logical. Do we need a Halachic basis to determine who died Al Kiddush Hashem? There are 0 Nafka Minos in this world. Hakadosh Baruch Hu will decide what their deaths constituted and what they earn because of that. It makes sense to me that Hashem will consider them Al Kiddush Hashem. If you disagree, I can’t say anything otherwise.
Torah is learned every day all over the world, probably every moment somewhere, that “has no nafka minah in this world.
it seems the Halchah and Inyon of dying al kiddush Hashem is not well understood, at least in this thread, and certainly it is Torah to discuss it.
i have nothing substanative to add but it seems pretty clear that this is not a case of al kiddush Hashem, although its a nice thing to say.
Who was the man who said in the tower with his friend in the wheelchair and eventually was killed because the friend could not get out?
Zahava: There are a lot of stories like that. There is also the guy with the red bandana. And check out the Youtube video about “the man who predicted 9-11”.
There is one story in particular that was real famous, He was on a low floor and could have espcaped
zahavasdad-
You’re thinking of Abe Zelmanowitz, A”H, HY”D.
Whatever it is, they were murdered and today is their yahrtzeit. Their neshamos should have an aliya. They should all be a meilitz yosher for their families and for all klal yisroel.
Is a 10th yahrtzeit any more significant than a 9th or 11th?
Maybe if you are hallmark.
apushatayid
Well said!
The direction this thread is going is not very helpful or supportive for those of us who have deeper connections associated with that infamous day.
springbok007
SO sorry for your loss. And for the subsequent media hounding. It’s difficult when people do not connect to your pain or to you as a person, rather see you as just a conduit to information for curiosity’s sake.
thanks for your perspective. As it states : Al tadun et chavairecha ad sh’e tagia limkomo. In this case Chas ve’cholia anyone should ever have to deal with something as catastrophic of this nature.
A Goed gebenchte Year to all in this forum and all Yidden in the entire world. May we be all zoiche to a sh’nas shalom, refuas to those who need and we should all I”YH be inscribed in the Book of life.
AKY”R!
September 11 erroneously is remembered as the tragic date for what transpired in 2001
Why do you believe that it is erroneous for the non-Jewish world to use the Gregorian date to commemorate the event? Do you believe the non-Jews have some sort of mitzvah or obligation to use a Jewish calendar? I must have missed that one of the 7 Noachide mitzvos.
The Wolf
you did not miss any Noahide laws, however, as Jews we tend to remember a yortzeid based on the Yiddish date. No one inferred for a non-Jew not to commiserate on September 11. I thought my intention was conveyed in a crystal clear manner. Sorry if you feel you were mislead. My message that i am attempting to convey is that due to the extensive publicity associated with September 11 one tends to not relate to Chof Gimmel Elul as the Yortzeid day for Kaddish etc.
springbok007 & welldressed007,
Wondering why you are using two usernames here…
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