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April 22, 2026 1:08 pm at 1:08 pm #2538244rescueParticipant
fabrics influence human health by emitting vibrational frequencies that either support or deplete the body’s natural energy field. A healthy human body is said to have a baseline frequency of 100 mHz, and wearing materials with higher or matching frequencies is believed to impart energy and promote healing, while low-frequency materials may drain vitality.
High-Frequency Healing Fabrics Natural fibers with frequencies significantly above the human baseline are considered “super-fabrics” that boost vitality and support cellular health:
Linen and Wool: Both resonate at 5,000 mHz, the highest recorded frequencies in textiles. Linen has historically been used for bandages due to its natural resistance to bacteria and fungi, and it is believed to accelerate healing when placed over wounds. Wool provides similar vibrational energy along with physical warmth.
According to studies cited in the search context, when wool and linen are mixed or worn together, their opposing energy fields cancel each other out, resulting in a zero frequency. This energetic incompatibility is said to collapse the body’s electric field, effectively neutralizing the high vibrational benefits of both materials.
Mechanism: The energy field of wool is described as flowing from left to right, while linen flows from right to left, causing interference when combined.
Physical Effect: This cancellation is reported to negate the positive, healing vibrations that each fabric provides individually, potentially leading to a loss of energy or well-beingApril 22, 2026 8:19 pm at 8:19 pm #2539123qwerty613ParticipantTo the group
If there was any question that this sheigetz is a Kofer it should now be removed. There is one reason for the prohibition of Shaatnez and it’s the same reason why we can’t carry in the public domain on Shabbos and why we can’t eat Treif. That reason is because the Torah said so. If one would like to find additional support for Mitzvahs, he may do so, but no one can suggest that “HE” knows G-d’s reason. Dovid Hamelech wrote, “His greatness is unfathomable.”
April 22, 2026 8:19 pm at 8:19 pm #2539147provaxxParticipantI know this is true, I read it on the Internet, under bovine scatology.
Why does YWN publish this?April 23, 2026 1:10 pm at 1:10 pm #2539320rescueParticipant“When people are not open to learning new concepts, they avoid the discomfort of being a beginner, often refusing to engage with new material to protect their ego and self-esteem. This resistance leads to limited professional and personal growth, as they remain stuck in outdated skill sets and miss opportunities for breakthroughs that come from challenging existing beliefs.
Ego Protection: Many adults avoid learning because they cannot tolerate the feeling of incompetence or failure inherent in the novice stage, viewing early struggles as personal failures rather than necessary steps for mastery”
It’s easier to be a pathetic sheeple querty then to learn new, enlightening information. Time for bed
April 23, 2026 1:10 pm at 1:10 pm #2539321rescueParticipantProvaxx. All fibers have a frequency? Will you deny that?
You don’t even know they did until today lol.
Wool and linen have a specific high frequency each separately they are _healing_ fibers
When you put two together both frequencies cancel out each other.
There are machines that can test for these things lolApril 23, 2026 1:10 pm at 1:10 pm #2539326Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantqwerty> hat reason is because the Torah said so. If one would like to find additional support for Mitzvahs, he may do so, but no one can suggest that “HE” knows
multitudes of scholars, such as Ramban, R Shimshon Hirsh, etc were exploring reasons for mitzvos of various type – scientific, social, psychological. Some of these reasons did not wear well with passage of time. In our times, many indeed like you say try to avoid that in order not to follow secular critics, but there is nothing wrong intrinsically in trying to figure them out. When Shlomo could not figure out red heifer, I am sure it was not because he did not try!
As to how humble one should be when proposing such, this varies and the difference between rishonim and CR posters is obvious.
April 23, 2026 1:10 pm at 1:10 pm #2539327Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantwhile looking for taamei mitzvos, how about this one:
iron absorption is inhibited by calcium. Therefore, eating meat in close proximity with milk (or milk later – while meat is processed) leads to iron in meat not being absorbed. In the world where meat was scarce, this probably lead to severe anemia. Might explain why Yaakov’s sons are giants v. Mitzrim.
any scientific or halakhic comments on this?
April 24, 2026 1:37 pm at 1:37 pm #2539654rescueParticipantHow bout eating kosher animals:
Eating impacts the soul by serving as a profound energy exchange, where the emotional and spiritual states of food sources are believed to transfer to the consumer.
Kosher animals that are pack animals have gentle natures. All kosher animals are gentle in nature and they do not eat other animals. Therefore when we eat kosher we embody the good charter traits of those animals.
April 24, 2026 1:37 pm at 1:37 pm #2539656rescueParticipantBeing a blind sheep and not understanding why you do things doesn’t make you more virtuous. Lol. Im honestly starting to think your insane querty. Who gets mad at learning the origins or the scientific understanding of the reason why you do things. You have to be some form of stupid
April 24, 2026 1:37 pm at 1:37 pm #2539664NOYBParticipantI’m so glad to see the original post on this thread, I was just thinking to myself “I need more AI-generated nonsense in my life, especially pseudoscience combined with some kfira”
April 24, 2026 1:37 pm at 1:37 pm #2539672provaxxParticipantYes, I deny that. Please explain to me about these “frequencies” that humans and fabrics have. 100 mHz.
1 Hz is 1 cycle per sec, so 100 mHz is what? 1/10 cycle per sec or are you trying to say 100,000 or 100,000,000 cycle per sec. 1 kHz is 1,000 cycle per sec and 1 MHz is 100,000,000 cps.
Are you talking about electromagnetic radiation? There is an entire spectrum, as we move up and down, from radio waves, to microwaves, to visible light, to X-rays and gamma rays which have extremely high frequencies and extremely tiny wavelengths.
What kind of radiation does flax and wool emit?
Do humans emit electromagnetic radiation? Absolutely, our brains make various waves, and our hearts only work because they conduct electric waves. Nerves conduct electricity as well.
Somehow, rescue, I have a sneaking suspicion that you did not get an “A” in high school physics.April 24, 2026 1:37 pm at 1:37 pm #2539683qwerty613ParticipantTo AAQ
I don’t see a problem with suggesting possible reasons for Mitzvohs and I think your point that Shlomo Hamelech made every attempt to figure out the law of Parah Adumah is correct. The problem is when you have a stupid atheist like rescue who thinks he can explain Chukim of the Torah. Many years ago, I had a friend who became a BT in his fifties. He was nice but he had some quirks. He called himself a Karaite and he rejected all Rabbinic statements, Gemara, Midrashim etc. To quote him, “I have my Hertz Chumash and that’s all I need to understand the Torah.” One day I said to him, “That’s interesting. King Solomon couldn’t explain the Parah Adumah but you’re good with it.” He responded, “It’s very simple. In the soap making process we combine two dirty components, and they produce something pure and the same is for the Parah Adumah.” I came back, “And do you think that King Solomon didn’t know that?” He answered, “No they hadn’t invented soap yet.” He happened to be very intelligent. He had a PHD in English and History, but when someone discusses areas of which he knows nothing he comes off as a fool. And in rescue’s case, an arrogant pompous fool. I’m still waiting for that liar to cite three examples of Torah laws that don’t make sense, because he said that he doesn’t keep such laws.
April 24, 2026 1:37 pm at 1:37 pm #2539685JustaYid3Participantthese ideas are so absurd it’s hard to even know where to start. looking back at the op resonspes it is clear that he does not have a torah true view on chazal , torah min hashamayim, and reverence for the mesorah. posted his old responses into Claude and asked it to analyze his views. here is what came out: “Here is a man who believes Chazal had a ‘fear based agenda,’ that Mashiach doesn’t need to be Jewish, that the Shevatim are literally just the zodiac, that linen and wool cancel each other’s healing frequencies, that we are already living in the messianic era, that the Sanhedrin’s authority is null and void so basically nobody can tell him anything, that hair covering isn’t deoraysa so relax, that death in the Torah is usually just a metaphor so again relax, that being cut off from the nation is a spiritual feeling not an actual punishment, that Chazal’s opinions are just opinions and not binding because they weren’t God, and that rabbinic authority is essentially just groupthink with a hat — and then has the audacity to get offended when someone calls him an apikores, responding with a lengthy AI-generated paragraph about how accusations of kefirah are just control mechanisms used by high-control religious groups to silence dissent, which is genuinely the most apikores response to being called an apikores that has ever been written in human history.” well said Claude, well said.
April 24, 2026 1:38 pm at 1:38 pm #2539812Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantfeedback from gemini got lost somehow:
Misunderstanding “Frequency”
In physics, “frequency” refers to a measurable oscillation over time (like sound waves or electromagnetic waves).
Fabric Frequency: Textiles do not emit an active electromagnetic frequency in the way a radio or a cell phone does. Any “energy” measured in fabric usually refers to its thermal properties or static electricity. The 5,000 Hz Claim: There is no peer-reviewed scientific data that confirms linen or wool vibrates at 5,000 Hz. Most scientists view this number as a symbolic value rather than a physical measurement.
In short, while the idea of “high-vibe” clothing is a beautiful way to think about choosing natural, sustainable materials, the “5,000 Hz” and “zero frequency” claims are considered pseudoscience and are not backed by modern biophysics.and then it offered another theory that sounds even more interesting than the above:
If you feel “off” wearing linen and wool together, there is a physical explanation: Static Electricity.Linen and wool sit on different ends of the Triboelectric Series.
When they rub together, they create a significant amount of static discharge. This can cause physical discomfort, clinging, and skin irritation, which might be interpreted as a “drop in energy.”April 24, 2026 1:39 pm at 1:39 pm #2539960A LamdinParticipantrescue.
The issue here isn’t whether the scientific explanations are correct or not — maybe they are, maybe they aren’t. That’s not really the point.When it comes to a chok, and honestly even any mitzvah, our perspective shouldn’t be “I’m doing this because it makes sense” or “because there are logical reasons behind it.” If our commitment is based on understanding, then the moment that understanding is challenged or disproven, the entire foundation of our avodas Hashem becomes shaky.
Rather, the foundation should be that we do mitzvos because Hashem commanded us to. A servant doesn’t wake up in the morning and consider whether or not he feels like serving his master that day — it’s a given. That’s the mindset we should be striving for: kabbalas ol, doing Hashem’s will simply because it is His will, regardless of whether we understand the reasoning behind it.
April 24, 2026 1:39 pm at 1:39 pm #2539961DWKL1Participantwe follow the torah because we believe torah meseenia , that doesnt stop us from believing as well interesting facts about the textiles involved
it doesnt necessarily mean this is the reason why hashem commanded us not to wear shatnez but its an interesting factjust as they may find some scientific reason why its unhealthy to mix meat and milk
thats not the reason why we dont mix them we dont mix them because thats what the rabonon deduced from the torah so whether theirs a science behinfd it or their isnt we follow it neverthelessApril 24, 2026 3:55 pm at 3:55 pm #2540067qwerty613ParticipantTo a Lamdin, DWKL 1 and JustaYid3
Thank you for stating the obvious about that retarded kofer. Now that he’s solved the Chok of Shaatnes, the idiot has moved on to explain Kashrus. “Kosher animals have good Middos and that’s why we eat them.” So let the boob explain why we can’t eat a kosher animal if it isn’t slaughtered properly, does its character change?
April 24, 2026 3:55 pm at 3:55 pm #2540076??coffee addictParticipantI specifically logged in to address rescue and to disprove him for his thinking
My shul has a weekly shiur in מסכת פסחים that diverted to shatnez and we had a שאלה that if someone has a suit of camel wool and linen it’s not shatnez (it’s only sheep wool that makes it shatnez) so what would be the Halacha of the wool in the suit is 80% camel wool and 20% sheep wool, the sheep wool is בטול to the camel wool and the suit is מותר (look it up yourself)
Either way in rescue’s case it wouldn’t make a difference what type of wool seemingly
Also the גמרא says by שילוח הקן that if someone says על קן ציפור יגיע רחמיך משתקים אותו because mitzvos don’t need a reason
But rescue is smarter than אמוראים
April 26, 2026 12:27 am at 12:27 am #2540098qwerty613ParticipantTo Just a Yid3
I would count Claude in a minyan before rescue. Rescue has also said that G-d never really wanted us to keep the Mitzvohs that don’t make sense. He expects us to use our free will and reject them. His only response to the flak he’s received is to call his critics, particularly yours truly, stupid sheeple who dehumanize him. It would be interesting to find out which Yeshiva through him out. In an early post he railed against the fact that he can’t get a shidduch. You see the problem he has is that when they asked him to describe his religious affiliation, he said he practices rescue Judaism, which one day will replace our outdated system. More than likely his parents disowned him so that their other children will be able to find shidduchim.
April 26, 2026 12:27 am at 12:27 am #2540101qwerty613ParticipantTo ??coffee addict
Rescue thinks he’s smarter than Hashem so Kal VChomer the Amoraim. You see, he watches YouTube videos and they make him very smart. lol
April 26, 2026 11:58 am at 11:58 am #2540363rescueParticipantGuys. So you think God created the Torah and there was no reason for anything he said in it. Lol the amount of stubborness and pathetic insolence and hearing something you never heard before that might enlighten you just shows how stubborn you all are.
Maybe frequency is too out of the box but everything emits frequencies especially clothes lol.
But again if you don’t agree with that we cant have an argument. You cannot find this kind of info on the “internet” alot of things are under layers of propaganda and lies. You have to have a very discerning mind when going online about very specific topics.
Claude and Google don’t like and will never give you a straight answer about
Anything alternative, regarding specific things
Will never tell you abortion is wrong or have a specific argument about it
Claude google and the internet will always and most times try to give you first the fair science about stuff because it has an agenda
For example look at soy. Everyone knows and scientifically soy actually mimic estrogen in the body which gives people alot of issues
But Google will never tell you that.
It will first give you all the science that says it’s debunked. You can’t go online without having a grasp of this because you’ll just take the propaganda and run with it.
Fabrics have frequencies this is know. Just because Claude won’t admit that doesn’t make it wrong. There are ways to prove it but I guess I’ll have to do a little digging.April 26, 2026 11:58 am at 11:58 am #2540367rescueParticipantQuerty I don’t “watch YouTube videos” I’m not like you. A sheeple. And just spew whatever I’m told.
I actually think and use discernment something you can’t seem to use because your blind hatred and anger at being told something different then everything you know can’t fit the old narrative back in the box. Seems your possessed..something has taken over your soul and your true self and it doesn’t like that someone is thinking outside the box.
Not sure how you enjoy the box. But perhaps somewhere down the line you put some form of intellectual argument before the self and you decided that it’s worth it to sell your soul to it because it fits the narrative of who you believe you should be. Sorry but that narrative clearly can’t pass the scrutiny test and for some reason that makes you throw a stupid tantrum lol.
You think calling someone names and humilating them on a public forum makes them the bad guy? Or does it expose the foolish narrative you decided to take as your own.
Your a stupid fool and until you wake up and breath some fresh air not sure that brain of yours and infantile pathetic behavior can ever be fixed. Maybe it’s time to look within and see that your dead wrong and your behaviour is a living testament to that. Cuz if someone like you can act like that? Your a living contradiction to your claim that your a superior to the rest of humanity but clearly your not. So, somewhere your belief system is allowing for such negative retarded behavior and therefore its true that it’s simply not exactly proving that it’s the truth..April 26, 2026 11:58 am at 11:58 am #2540370rescueParticipantNobody says mitvos “need” a reason. But they sure as heck have one. Lol. You guys think that God decided for us to just be a stupid group of people and just fallow blindly like a bunch of lunatics or is it because there is a specific Devine purpous for every rule… Let me ask you this if anyone in your life gave you a book and told you to fallow it and you did with conviction because you trusted that person had your best interest at heart, would it not makes sense that those laws have reasons..
Or would you let your whole life rot away to someone else’s ideals because you convinced yourself that makes you so pios? Your not more pios cuz you don’t ask questions. Your not more pios and you don’t get more points if you parrot talking points. That’s a foolish lie you told yourself to make you feel like you can “earn” points in shamayim.
Does that point system make you feel better or does it make you a fraud.
Do you shuckle during davening because it makes you feel as if the words hold more meaning to you or is that an earnest attempt to lie to yourself that it all makes sense when deep down you know you don’t understand a word your saying and truthfully even tho you know it’s the right thing to do youd rather be anywhere but there.
Lying through fake piousness
Isnt truth. It’s still fake. And it’s still a lie.
Human beings thrive off direction but direction from people that have their best interest at heart how can you know your creator has your best interest at heart if you don’t have a relationship with him at all. You have a fake relationship through fake shucklling in shul because you refuse to talk to your creator directly.
You refuse to live by true morality and by moral law because you think. Selling yourself to the fake rules of the piousness somehow makes you earn your way into the next world. These are lies you’ve been fed for a very long time.
It’s time to wake the …. Up .
You are not a better person if you are a fraud you are better person if you actually live like one and act like oneApril 26, 2026 11:58 am at 11:58 am #2540496Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantrecue> All kosher animals are gentle in nature and they do not eat other animals.
Same applies to birds. I recall there are classical sources that suggest similar.
There is one thing that bothers me with this approach – by eating non-predators, we are not emulating their gentle nature – we do exactly what the (other) predators do! So, if you feel you are digesting gentleness, so does the wolf. So, then if the wolf gets his goodness from the sheep he consumed, we would be better off eating wolves as they accumulate goodness of 1000s of sheep rather than just one.
April 26, 2026 11:58 am at 11:58 am #2540497Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant> But rescue is smarter than אמוראים
This is not a good argument. Sherira gaon explains why tannaim and early amoraim did not write up everything – they leave it for other generations to have credit for developing halochos. So, amoraim wanted us to develop new ideas.
We are benefitting from knowing amoraim and those who came after them, and from science, and from technology that allows us easy access to all the seforim and even ability to search and summarize those seforim. So, surely our generation should be able to develop something new, despite all our shoretcomings.
April 26, 2026 11:58 am at 11:58 am #2540498pekakParticipantWhat kind of energy or frequency does the ground absorb when plowing with an ox and a donkey vs 2 oxen or 2 donkeys?
April 26, 2026 7:17 pm at 7:17 pm #2540593??coffee addictParticipantAaq,
Did you read my comment or only the last line?
April 26, 2026 7:17 pm at 7:17 pm #2540646Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantLamdin > If our commitment is based on understanding, then the moment that understanding is challenged or disproven, the entire foundation of our avodas Hashem becomes shaky.
I think you explain well what is happening. Many early sages had no problem searching for possible reasons for mitzvos. But modernity assaulted religion with rational thoughts about everything. So we are turning to “emunah” and reject logical explanations because they can lead someone astray. Similarly, how Christianity before that lead to us focusing on “doing mitzvos” at the expense of “faith” that was advocated by the oppressors.
But we got to remember what is the difference between humans and animals (see Rambam, intro to Mishna, for example) and that determines what Hashem is expecting from us. Using your mental capacity. It is inconceivable to me (and I think to Rambam if I may speak for him) that our interaction with mitzvos should not involve our intellect.
April 26, 2026 7:17 pm at 7:17 pm #2540749qwerty613ParticipantTo pekak
Your point is well taken since Shaatnez and plowing with an ox and donkey are both examples of Kilayim, but the Kofer will answer that he’s talking specifically about frequencies in textiles. The stupidity of his argument is that a wool garment which has one thread of linen is forbidden as Shaatnez but obviously one thread does not emit anything measurable. So again, he’s checkmated.
To always
They don’t leave it to kofrim. Now you seem to be endorsing this nut, which doesn’t surprise me because you’re a contrarian, but consider this, “Rescue posits that kosher animals and birds are kind and nonkosher are the opposite. Well camels are solely herbivores so why are they not kosher? And many kosher birds are omnivores.” Checkmate to you for being stupid enough to even consider his atheism as valid.
To rescue
So now you change your tune and say that “Mitzvohs don’t need a reason, but they sure as heck have one.” No, they sure as heck probably have tens of thousands of reasons, the vast majority of which, human beings aren’t capable of deciphering. So, we’ll ask you a simple question, “Can you explain why someone who carries his keys on Shabbos in the public domain is liable according to the Torah?” And if you can’t, do you carry yours? Checkmate.
April 26, 2026 7:17 pm at 7:17 pm #2540751rescueParticipantPekak. Who cares. It’s not relavant. If you think that makes you smart it’s a fools errand but if your really curious I can try and find out.
Always ask questions, interesting point maybe humans are desighned differently because we have intellect and a thinking soul….perhaps that has something to do with it. Maybe we are impacted by the nature of animals more then a wolf is and maybe a wolfs inherint nature is already towards a predatory end…..dunno. Maybe the way we raise the animals and give them a good life then eat them changes things. No clue
Again we are living in times where knowledge is much more readily available, and things that weren’t readily known before is becoming known now. It does say explicitly in the end times chukim that wasn’t previously known will become known so why are you so stuck on the past. LolApril 26, 2026 11:40 pm at 11:40 pm #2540861Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant?? coffee, I commented just on general attitude towards attempts to explain.
Your bringing up camel wool is cute, but rescue could respond – for example, that camel wool rings a different tone, or that sheep is the focus as this is what people were wearing. I don’t think you can resolve such aggadic discussions – unless you bring your own lesson from your camel.
Imagine that rescue says that the only reason for the mitzvos is to teach Jews savlanut so that we will not be like roosters and communists – and that is the reason for kashrus and niddah? I am sure there be a lot of cock-a-doodle-doo about it – but this is what gemora in Beitza 25 says …
April 26, 2026 11:40 pm at 11:40 pm #2540862Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantox and donkey are surely better understood than the rest of kilayim – you have exactly two strong animal who work in a different way – at different frequency if you will. “They are not at harmony”. Try pushing a car with someone of a different height and strength and you will see how difficult it is.
April 27, 2026 11:11 am at 11:11 am #2541047??coffee addictParticipant“Your bringing up camel wool is cute, but rescue could respond – for example, that camel wool rings a different tone, or that sheep is the focus as this is what people were wearing. I don’t think you can resolve such aggadic discussions – unless you bring your own lesson from your camel.“
Aaq,
I see you didn’t understand what I was trying to say, thanks for clarifying
If someone has a suit that was 98% camel wool and 1% sheep wool and 1% linen there would be NO איסור TO WEAR IT because the sheep wool is בטול in the camel wool since it’s מין במינו
However if the suit had 98% polyester 1% sheep wool and 1% linen it would be shatnez because the wool isnt בטול since it’s מין בשאינו מינו
So rescue’s reason doesn’t hold water
I don’t know that גמרא but if it’s like what you said then it obviously contradicts the גמרא that I quoted
April 27, 2026 4:57 pm at 4:57 pm #2541149qwerty613ParticipantTo the group
Rescue has stated that the Torah is a book of morality. I specifically asked him to explain the reasons and or logic for the law that if one carries his keys on Shabbos in the public domain, he’s subject to the death penalty. He ignored the question and then started another of his ridiculous threads. That’s not an accident; he doesn’t have the guts to admit he’s a worthless lying fraud. In fact, none of the 39 Melachos involve immorality. The only reason we can’t do them is because Hashem said so. And the only reason that Adam Harishon wasn’t allowed to eat the forbidden fruit is because Hashem said so. It’s as simple as that, and to suggest otherwise is Kefirah. I can’t say if this Minuval violates Shabbos, but he certainly believes that there’s nothing wrong with doing so. Checkmate.
April 28, 2026 11:22 am at 11:22 am #2541362Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantqwerty,
(not) carrying keys on shabbos, like many other mitzvos, teaches us savlanut and derech eretz. I apologize for quoting same beitza 25 gemora several times, but you guys are asking same question in multiple threads. I think if we all were to internalize these lessons, our discussions here would be of better quality.
April 28, 2026 11:23 am at 11:23 am #2541445nevuahParticipantThe person who was subject to the death penalty was gathering wood to create a fire….that’s a little bit different then carrying keys….Your viewpoint of life is a little bit interesting. So your saying the only reason why you can’t do something or you can do something is because God said so….if your happy with that way of life….that’s on you. Everybody has a different way of thinking….some people might be happy being a fallower others need to have more in depth understanding of life in order to be happy in their circumstances.
Understanding and finding the reasons behind rules isnt kefirah, thats a little bit of a stretch. People are allowed to ask and observe and learn. We are not meant to be stagnant and shut down dialogue. I wonder though where that way of thinking leads you to….shutting down all dialogue out of fear….interesting. (and also lots of uncanny rage)April 28, 2026 11:23 am at 11:23 am #2541446nevuahParticipantAdam wasn’t allowed to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil because knowing good and evil, creates a disconnect between understanding and experience, separating a person from the Devine. Eating from the tree of knowledge gives him the illusion of choice when he doesn’t truly have the wisdom to make those said choices
For example if I read a book all about you, and it said exactly what you did in your life….does that mean that I know you?
No it’s an illusion of knowing. I can only know you if I meet you and see you. Only then can I know you.
The tree of knowledge of good and evil gives people the illusion of knowing but not having experienced those things for themselves they think they know things which they don’t understand. They thus become disconnected from reality and thus fall into hardship and pain and suffering.
There are many many examples of this kind of disconnect all over the world
For example if you look at someone who has a communistic viewpoint like the new mayer in New York. He agrees with the communistic idea because on paper it sounds good. But in reality it isn’t good.
He ate from the tree of knowledge of good and bad, but he’s lacking wisdom and real life experience.
Make sense?April 28, 2026 2:12 pm at 2:12 pm #2541784??coffee addictParticipantIs “nevuah” (who registered 12 hours ago and already replied 6 times) “rescue”?
Also Aaq seems like he picks and chooses what he wants to answer to (maybe he thinks it’s a chumra to answer tough questions) but like I said before, there’s a Gemara that goes against that Gemara in ביצה AP how do you answer that
Some people have selective hearing, Aaq has selective answering (seeing)
April 29, 2026 12:29 pm at 12:29 pm #2541910qwerty613ParticipantTo nevuah
You have to learn to pay attention to what people are saying. If someone carries his keys on Shabbos in the public domain, he’s subject to Kares, or stoning when Moshiach comes. There is nothing immoral about carrying keys and so the reason he’s punished is because Hashem said so. You ask how I feel about that? My answer is simple, “It’s G-d’s world and His laws, and we must keep them.” Real Jews understand and accept this, kofrim like you think you can challenge Hashem.
To always
There are 39 Melachos of Shabbos as well as Toldos and Rabbinic prohibitions. I’m certain that you do your best to keep all of them as do I whether or not you can figure out Hashem’s reason(s) for each of them. Let me quote from one of rescue/nevuah’s posts from today, “So your saying the only reason why you can’t do something or you can do something is because G-d said so. If your happy with that way of life that’s on you. But others need to have more in depth understanding of life in order to be happy in their circumstances” If you don’t understand that this is Kefirah there’s nothing more I can say.
April 29, 2026 12:29 pm at 12:29 pm #2542006Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantquestionable coffee> re, there’s a Gemara that goes against that Gemara in ביצה
Beitzah defends the overall approach to mitzvos and that is what I wanted to emphasize so that people should not shut down anyone who wants to contemplate taamei mitzvos. I am not defending a particular interpretation at all.
> , Aaq has selective answering (seeing)
middle A in AAQ stands for asking, not answering. Go to chatgpt for answers.
April 29, 2026 5:37 pm at 5:37 pm #2542472Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantqwerty quoting> But others need to have more in depth understanding of life in order to be happy in their circumstances
note that he is saying he needs it “to be happy”. He is not saying that he won’t do them otherwise. Some people are ok just following the rules and others are not happy until they figure it out. This is my projection, of course, I am not reading minds of the two-headed poster.
April 30, 2026 2:46 pm at 2:46 pm #2542673HaLeiViParticipantThere’s nothing new about the attempt to give reasons for commandments. But a few points should be made.
We should be humble enough to use our reasons qs suggestions or additional reasoning or benefits of the commandments, but not as the sole reason.
Traditionally, those who engaged in trying to gove reasons for ceremonial commandments have offered ideas that serve to refine the person or the society. Hardly would you get a reason of health benefit. Remember, we are here to serve Hashem, not the other way around.
Giving medical justifications usually time out very fast, and then it leaves you with big holes. Why are we punished for not following health advice? Why were much more consequencial health directives left out? Why double down on questionable ideas of negligible effect?
If you do choose to go with such reasons, you aren’t a “Kofer” but it may come with problematic hashkafa.
April 30, 2026 2:46 pm at 2:46 pm #2542682nevuahParticipantQuewrty, let’s differentiate being human and then let’s differentiate what your saying. “Real Jews understand that”
So someone who asks questions and is curious if mind is not a real jew.
Someone who wants to understand and to know, is not a real jew….there is where I think your bordering on extreme dogmatic thinking. Which isn’t really healthy. Honestly that’s a little extreme and crazyMay 3, 2026 11:42 am at 11:42 am #2543150Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantHaleivi> Hardly would you get a reason of health benefit. … Giving medical justifications usually time out very fast, and then it leaves you with big holes.
I agree that usual suggestions of reasons are about improving personal or societal behavior, but there are sugyos in Gemorah discussing medical advice and behaviors and avoiding physical dangers. At the level probably good enough to be published in medical journals of the time. So, we are not ignoring desire to live long and healthy lives.
So, I would venture to say at minimum that mitzvos are not hurting your medicine. Bris milah does not lead to worse health, and even puncturing the ear of the eved who does not want to go free. Eating kosher will not make you sick and there are no ingredients in pork that we can’t find in other sources. I think there is gemora saying that for every forbidden item there is a permitted one that should satisfy you.
May 3, 2026 11:42 am at 11:42 am #2543183nevuahParticipantWe are here to serve hashem or are we here to have a good life where we are connected and are happy. I think there’s a huge balance between blind obedience/slavery mentality/ and just being _human_
serving blindly and just shutting down all your own intellectual feelings just to serve a deity that “says so” means that you are living a very unbalanced and unhealthy lifestyle.
But, understanding that you are being taken care of and cared about by your creator despite being in this complicated world, is a different kind of relationship. .
It means that the rules that were given to us have a reason…and those reasons are wholesome and good for you.May 3, 2026 11:42 am at 11:42 am #2543184nevuahParticipantSee the difference between tyranny/anger/control/hatred
And love/respect/care/consideration/justice/mercy and sometimes discipline.May 3, 2026 11:42 am at 11:42 am #2543210??coffee addictParticipantmiddle A in AAQ stands for asking, not answering. Go to chatgpt for answers.
True maybe I should call you NAA instead 😜
Anyway the Gemara is in Megillah (כה עמוד ב) and it seems like a מחלוקת why you can’t say על קן צפור … and it’s only according to one מאן דאמר, the other one says because it will cause jealousy since you’re singling out just birds
Also I tried finding the Gemara you’re referring to but don’t see it anywhere in דף כה
May 3, 2026 11:42 am at 11:42 am #2543257nevuahParticipantThe reason why I say this also is because the biblical text wasn’t given when the world was created it was given after years of people losing their way. Therefore it’s not to “serve God” alone and subvert the self but to _teach people how to live_
May 3, 2026 7:39 pm at 7:39 pm #2543836qwerty613ParticipantTo the group
There seems to be individuals on YWN who aren’t convinced that nevuah/rescue is a kofer. Let’s present what he wrote on May 3. We have a choice between blind obedience to Hashem’s laws and living as we choose which makes us happy. To that point one must strike a balance between the two. This means that a Jew should keep some of the Torah’s laws, but those which he considers too restrictive he should reject. Sounds like Kefirah to me.
To nevuah
Anyone whose mother is/was Jewish is a real Jew. However, if they think and act like you, they are not practicing real Judaism
May 3, 2026 7:39 pm at 7:39 pm #2543906??coffee addictParticipant“We are here to serve hashem or are we here to have a good life where we are connected and are happy. I think there’s a huge balance between blind obedience/slavery mentality/ and just being _human_“
There’s a point that rescue is making that makes a lot of sense
We have to serve Hashem not from a feeling of being forced but because we WANT to
We said נעשה ונשמע at הר סיני because we trust Hashem has our best interests and we’re no different than a son in the back seat of the car, the father tells him to buckle up the kids will do it because he knows the father loves him and wants what’s best for him, he doesn’t ask questions but it’s not because he’s FORCED TO it’s because he wants to make his father happy because he knows he loves him
Me thinks rescue doesn’t believe that Hashem loves us and that’s why he has to understand everything before he does it
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