December 14, 2008 8:15 pm at 8:15 pm #588866
this is a request for all posters (and for moderators to moderate) and watch the shmiras halashon (lashon hara and ona’as d’varim!) an all threads!
i am asking a specific request not to post a thread about so and so’s new CD since along with the praises there will undoubtedly be much negative feedback (no matter the singer) and the Chofetz Chaim teaches us not to praise someone in front of one of his enemies, i think a public forum such as the CR would classify as that.
2nd request: please think before you start a new thread if it may lead to lashon hara- Hashem knows who the “owner” of every username is and it still goes on your cheshbonDecember 14, 2008 10:28 pm at 10:28 pm #683081
Thank you abcd1234 for bringing up this important issue. And I second the petition for the moderators to please crackdown on all the lashon hara/motzei shaim ra that is unfortunately still found throughout YWN. Just keep in mind: for each word of lashon hara said, one can CH”V get up to 32 ISSURAI DIURAYSSA, times the amount of words posted, times the amount of people that read the post, times the amount of people the post is going on (all yeshivish/modern people, all people who live in ________ or think ______ or support _______…). Even if you plug conservative numbers into this formula, you can CH”V end up with THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF ISSURAI DIURAYSSA. By comparison, this is like being michalel every shabbos you’ve ever lived through, or eating a pork sandwich every day for years. And if one CH”V posts several long, well-read posts on large groups of fellow yidden, it can add up to literally MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF ISSURAI DIURAYSSA. Who can afford this on their cheshbin?December 15, 2008 12:07 am at 12:07 am #683082lmParticipant
I agree with both posters above 100%!December 15, 2008 12:29 am at 12:29 am #683083yashrus20Member
i dont think we need this thread at all. The mods are doing a great job of keeping the bad posts out. And as to threads read their comment by “top yeshivas”, theyve got it under control.December 15, 2008 12:41 am at 12:41 am #683084xeroxMember
“theyve got it under control.”
i totally agree!December 15, 2008 3:32 am at 3:32 am #683085
yashrus20 and xerox, the YWN moderators do indeed do a great job preventing lashon hara/motzei shaim ra from being posted on this site. But if even one post with lashon hara CH”V gets past them, there can be more issurai diuyraysa violated than in almost any other singular act. When millions of issurai diuyraysa are at stake, one cannot stress the need for shmiras halashon too much.December 15, 2008 7:56 pm at 7:56 pm #683086myshadowMember
“The mods are doing a great job of keeping the bad posts out.”
True! People should just be ultra careful before they post something that might be offensive or negativeDecember 15, 2008 9:10 pm at 9:10 pm #683087
How about starting a thread (as a sticky) with 1 or 2 halachos of shmiras halashon daily?
I’d like to believe that most people do not want to violate these halachos, however they are simply unaware of what constitutes forbidden speech.
I’ve been learning the halachos of shmiras halashon for quite a while now and it’s amazing how much I was unaware of. In addition, despite learning the English sefer more than 4x, I still can use more and more review…
Perhaps by revewing the halachos, each of us can improve our speech, and YWN posts, and thus minimize the amount of lashon hara being discussed.December 15, 2008 10:00 pm at 10:00 pm #683088notpashutMember
Great idea!!December 16, 2008 3:46 am at 3:46 am #683089
Yeah curious, great idea! Anyone want to do this incredible mitzvah? And if someone does, do we have the promises of the YWN Moderators/Editor it’ll be made sticky?December 16, 2008 4:12 am at 4:12 am #683090
Well, do we?December 16, 2008 3:28 pm at 3:28 pm #683091
I guess I can do it if I’m allowed to copy/quote from the “Guard Your Tongue” book by Rabbi Zelig Pliskin (which is a very concise and clear guide), however there is a copyright on it.
Think we might be able to get permission to quote this book? If not, any other ideas?December 17, 2008 1:15 am at 1:15 am #683092
Editor/mods, can you help us with this?December 17, 2008 2:41 am at 2:41 am #683093
curious, you could just give us a summary in your own words.December 17, 2008 3:19 am at 3:19 am #683094
how about if someone would contact the Chofetz Chaim Heritage Foundation (i dont know how) I’m sure they would be only to happy to supply the YWN CR with the daily lesson, does anyone know of a way to contact them that is able to?
P.S. special thanks to curious for initiating this superb idea!!!!December 17, 2008 4:16 am at 4:16 am #683095
yeah, anybody want to call/email them?December 17, 2008 4:25 am at 4:25 am #683096
mw13, that’s what I was thinking, but I would be scared of the responsibility if I quoted something wrong.
I guess to start, I’ll post this (adapted from Guard Your Tongue)
*Any derogatory information that is related to others, which is true, is termed lashon hara.
*Any derogatory information that is related to others, which is false or partially false, is termed motzi shaim ra = defamation of character. The aveirah of motzi shem ra is much more severe than lashon hara.
My challenge to all you posters – can you think of a few common examples, where people tend to defend their lashon hara by saying “but it’s true.”December 17, 2008 4:52 am at 4:52 am #683097
Moderator – can you possibly change the title of this thread, as I think the words “shmiras halashon” tend to scare people away (like the tznius titles).
Maybe to something like “Who wants life?” to quote from tehillim “Mi haish hachafetz chaim… Netzor lishoncha merah…”
And then you can delete this post 😉December 17, 2008 5:00 am at 5:00 am #683098
Do these posts get approved without being read? I was addressing YOU, moderator. LOL.December 17, 2008 3:38 pm at 3:38 pm #683099noitallmrParticipant
Why would it scare people away?December 18, 2008 1:23 am at 1:23 am #683100
Here’s round two (GTT, pg 44).
Mods – can you read my previous posts here. Should we start a separate thread for this?
*It is forbidden to speak lashon hara (derogatory information) in the presence of the subject, even if your sole intention in mentioning his faults is to criticize him constructively. Besides transgressing the aveirah of lashon hara, you may also be guilty of causing him humiliation and mortification.
So, how does ths play out when we respond to other people’s posts. Do we speak in a derogatory manner about the speaker or about the content of the post?December 18, 2008 1:50 am at 1:50 am #683101Bais Yaakov maydelParticipant
mw13: im pretty sure it’s 31 issurim but 32 for teachers…
i learn the halachos every night, maybe ill post them when i do!! problem is im not on every night and it would be MUCH easier if we could get the CCHF to somehow give YWN daily halachos….i have the number, anyone willing to call?December 18, 2008 3:28 am at 3:28 am #683102
Curious, you could just start a new topic under the heading “Who wants life?”. And BYM, the more the better!December 19, 2008 12:27 am at 12:27 am #683103JosephParticipant
This should be sticky.December 19, 2008 1:23 am at 1:23 am #683104
Joseph, apparently you’re on better terms with the moderators than I (or at least they read your posts and respond). How about you try to make this thread get of the ground, i.e. either get them to make this a sticky or perhaps they could post the halachos in BOLD font.December 19, 2008 2:33 am at 2:33 am #683105
i really like i the idea about putting up the the stuff from the chofetz chaim heritage foundation!!!
here’s the contact info for cchf-361 spook rock road
suffern ny 10901
phone:845-352-3505December 19, 2008 3:04 am at 3:04 am #683106
i just contacted [email protected] and requested that the daily halacha be sent to YWN. anyway for you to contact them and actually set something up? Thanks!December 19, 2008 5:04 am at 5:04 am #683108
Quoted verbatim from GTT, pg 123
“It is a grave sin to say anything derogatory about Klal Yisroel (the Jewish People) as a whole.”
Very often words are pushed around, i.e. cheap, stingy, loud, etc..
Even if the comment is true, it is not allowed, as lashon hara refers to derogatory information that is true. If it’s false = motzei sheim ra.
BTW, I’m curious (I guess that’s why my user name is what it is) to know how many people are reading these halachos. Should we continue this? If so, suggestions to improve…December 19, 2008 5:10 am at 5:10 am #683109
You’ll have to contact the YW Editor for that one – the best place for that is
YW Moderator-99December 19, 2008 5:19 am at 5:19 am #683110
thanks i just did! hope it works!!!!
P.S. could we sticky this thread?December 19, 2008 5:25 am at 5:25 am #683111xeroxMember
the whole idea sound really nice- hope this works out!!-
(as in turns into a sticky!)December 19, 2008 5:37 am at 5:37 am #683112
abcd1234: i never got what a sticky thread is??? is it cause it always stays on top of the list even w/o activity for a while???December 19, 2008 5:45 am at 5:45 am #683113
I gave up on asking the moderators (I feel ignored).
I emailed the YW editor, who might be the same guy as the mod…December 19, 2008 5:58 am at 5:58 am #683114
OK, you win.
🙂December 19, 2008 5:59 am at 5:59 am #683116
ahhhhhhhhhhhh yipeeeee!!!! thanx mods & editor!!!December 19, 2008 6:01 am at 6:01 am #683117brooklyn19Participant
for some reason i tend to skip over the sticky threads. dunno why but i don’t even notice them…December 19, 2008 6:07 am at 6:07 am #683118
Not the same guy – he emailed me and gave me the green light to sticky!
I didn’t mean to ignore you, I feel bad you felt that way. Sometimes a straight out formal request to the powers at be is better then subtle hints.December 19, 2008 6:54 am at 6:54 am #683119
asdf- yes it stays on top
mod-thank you thank you thank you
brooklyn-likely because learning mishnayos doesnt apply to you but on the other hand the tehillim…December 19, 2008 5:35 pm at 5:35 pm #683120
mods to you know if anythings happening with this? thanks
A call has been made, we will keep you posted. YW Moderator-72December 19, 2008 6:47 pm at 6:47 pm #683121
Good job 72.
99, you’re forgiven 😉
I figured if I threw in the emotional bit you’d pay attention. LOLDecember 21, 2008 7:12 pm at 7:12 pm #683122
how about someone update us on today’s shmiras halashon lesson!!!! who’s in charge of this thread????December 22, 2008 4:03 am at 4:03 am #683123
asdf – can we make you in charge?December 23, 2008 5:30 pm at 5:30 pm #683124bestdriverParticipant
i can take care of it 4 days a wkDecember 24, 2008 2:03 am at 2:03 am #683125
Curious: not a chance, i hate ”being in charge!!!!”
bestdriver:great please do!!!! mostly appriciatd!!! could you do it asap!!! thanxDecember 24, 2008 2:14 am at 2:14 am #683126YW Moderator-72Participant
a little patience please. the CCHF seemes receptive to the idea. I am waiting for a call back to discuss how we are going to implement it.December 24, 2008 2:19 am at 2:19 am #683127
ok sure mod72!!!December 24, 2008 4:12 am at 4:12 am #683128
Here’s today’s halacha: (GTT, pg109)
You may not praise someone excessively in front of a group of people, even though these people have nothing against the subject being praised. Reasong being, a) you may add in something negative, or b) excessive praise encourages the listeners to try and refute you by mentioning his fualts.
Ex: “X is a great teacher, excellent lessons, understands his students, etc…”
This is an invitation for someone to add in “Yeh, but he has a hard time controlling the class sometimes.”December 24, 2008 4:26 am at 4:26 am #683129
thanx for doing it!!!!December 24, 2008 4:28 am at 4:28 am #683130brooklyn19Participant
thanks, man!December 24, 2008 4:48 am at 4:48 am #683131abcdParticipant
Hey, nice idea! Thanx Curious for taking care of it;-]
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