June 1, 2011 2:22 am at 2:22 am #597197
I’m not sure if this bothers anyone but I have just realized this new fad. personally I think it’s ostentatious and waaay too in to gashmius. any thoughts?June 1, 2011 2:36 am at 2:36 am #773477
not sure what that is, just wanted to say welcome aboard toiJune 1, 2011 2:40 am at 2:40 am #773478
thanks for the welcomeJune 1, 2011 2:58 am at 2:58 am #773479
In a recent article, Dr. Susan Shulman wrote about the danger of such holders as result of two babies who choked on a bead, when the string tore.One child was B”H okay but the other was not.
In my eyes it reminds me of rosary beads, which Catholics use when they pray. There is a string of such beads with a cross at the end and they count the beads. With this gadget it has the pacifier at the end. Unfortunately, many have gotten used to these, some of them have real silver. I also think it looks rediculous besides of where the idea is coming from!June 1, 2011 3:11 am at 3:11 am #773481
I agree although i didn’t mean the health issues involved. I just think it’s like a diamond encrusted cell phone case- too much. and btw how do you do the subtitle thingy under your nameJune 1, 2011 3:11 am at 3:11 am #773482msseekerMember
Where was Dr. Shulman’s article?June 1, 2011 3:14 am at 3:14 am #773483honoluluMember
sorry toi but you are a little slow on the pick up but the beaded pacifiers are from about 4 years ago. now they have the real silver clips with a pretty ribbon. so its not dangerous anymore.June 1, 2011 3:21 am at 3:21 am #773484always runs with scissors fastParticipant
in answer to your origninal question if it isn’t too gashmiusdik and ostentanious, I would say it depends on where you’re coming from and what your standards of living are .
On one hand its a norm amongst most ppl in WIlliamsburg and chareidim who tend to updo and over do looks of anything, into fancykite.
On the other hand, it could be a serious choking hazard if you don’t watch an older child eating them.
On the other hand, they are gorgeous. butthe latest fashion of sumi clips I have seen are these ones crocheted from a cotton Israeli material, VERY GORGEOUS, and I wouldn’t hesitate to spend $25 for one. I don’t know how they do it but its like balls connected.June 1, 2011 3:28 am at 3:28 am #773485
Honolulu i believe you missed my point. my problem with these things isn’t the health risk rather the gashmius we’re emphasizing and how it reflects on our society as a whole. read the first postJune 1, 2011 3:31 am at 3:31 am #773486
k i think there’s a guy-girl miscommunication. what i mean is that what this says about the norm and that what we’re used to is scary. imagine a gold diaper pin or nail clippers made of crystal. am i being clearerJune 1, 2011 3:37 am at 3:37 am #773487
k i think there’s a guy-girl miscommunication. what i mean is that what this says about the norm and that what we’re used to is scary. imagine a gold diaper pin or nail clippers made of crystal. am i being clearerJune 1, 2011 5:11 am at 5:11 am #773488commonsenseParticipant
I agree I think the whole thing is ludicrous. what happened to cute and cheap for babies stuff instead of a show piece for the mother? Ithis past Pesach they were advertising all over Pesach sets (pillow case, matzah tash,etc.) with swarovski crystals. can anyone tell me why we need any crystals on our pillow cases and matzah tashen let alone swarovski, and when did it become the norm to spend over $500 for such a set? All you hear about is how people can’t pay their bills and schools are near to closing their doors, but money for pillowcases with swarovski crystals we find money for. (sorry this thread soooo feeds into my soapbox) (by ‘we all’ substitute many of us)June 1, 2011 11:32 am at 11:32 am #773489golden momMember
I 100% agree people have nothing better to do with their time and money but to match up a pacifier clip which mind u can cost an easy $25 to their babies outfits we are living in a crazy world were people are so busy with what others will think about their outer and people don’t think to work on the inner like why a baby a couple months old needs a couple pairs of “crib” shoes to match each outfitJune 1, 2011 4:38 pm at 4:38 pm #773490
WOW you fit a raw nerve with me! I cannot deal with it! Its one thing if the baby was born after 10 years or something (like some ppl that I know and understand) but when you have a few kids and they are all lined up and sparkling with silver and crystals then it is way out of wack! This thread is really up my alley! How can they say then that they dont have money for tuition, food or even vactaion (which is more important in my mind that a fancy pacifier thing)June 1, 2011 5:29 pm at 5:29 pm #773491bptParticipant
If an $800 stroller makes sense, so does a crystal pacifier clipJune 1, 2011 5:45 pm at 5:45 pm #773492A Heimishe MomParticipant
bpt: $800 strollers definitely have advantages over the cheaper models – but not if you can’t afford it! and those rediculous pacifier clips have no place whatsoever anywhere for anybody! they are dangerous and disgusting. But tell that to the mother with a $25 clip, an $800 carriage, and foodstamps & HUD!June 1, 2011 5:54 pm at 5:54 pm #773493
the stroller does not make sense either but there are ways to convince yourself that it does- like that it wheels better and is better quality but does the pacifier taste better to the baby if there is a silver clip?June 1, 2011 6:12 pm at 6:12 pm #773494
The question is why you people care so much…June 1, 2011 6:12 pm at 6:12 pm #773495bptParticipant
” $800 strollers definitely have advantages over the cheaper models “
I could see paying extra for a model that has rugged, inflatable tires, that can handle rough pavement. But not for $800.
(Besides, the Buggaboos and Inglesinas look funny. Def not something a father / uncle / zeidy wants to be seen pushing)June 1, 2011 6:23 pm at 6:23 pm #773496
the question i have, dunno, is why do you care that they care?June 1, 2011 6:34 pm at 6:34 pm #773497goldenkintMember
to begin with it is not necessarily the people who can’t afford it who buy these things. but even if they can afford it is it necessary or advisable? i feel the same way about socks decorated with beads and have even gone so far as to tell the storeowners not to stock them as they are a choking hazard. as far as ostentatiousness, there is a Jewish Middah to be modest and that includes not going over the top in decoration, dress etc. in my house my mother always said “Me turnisht arois nemin mentschen di oygin” which means “don’t take people’s eyes out- dont be a show off, or stand out. i love beautiful things but you have to learn to limit yourself and limit the gashmiyus
one year i needed something and went downtown 2 days before pesach. there was a display with very beautiful velvet embroidered pillow cases for the seder. i thought how nice, what a hiddur. except when i looked at the price i almost fainted and didn’t buy them. it took me a day to get over it and regain my prevoius simcha. lesson learned,” Aizeh hu ashir hasomeach be chelko” “who is wealthy, he who is satisfied with his lot”, and i never go near the stores erev chag again so i won’t be ambushed into wanting things i’ve lived perfectly happily without.June 1, 2011 6:37 pm at 6:37 pm #773498real-briskerMember
Why doesn’t everyone just mind their own business?June 1, 2011 6:39 pm at 6:39 pm #773499
i guess I should not get so upset about it after all- I might just buy them for my kids too…June 1, 2011 6:39 pm at 6:39 pm #773500a maminParticipant
OH BOY!!! This is really something! First of all to Always runs…. It’s really not nice what you are saying about Williamsburg and Charedim! You claim they always updo or overdo??? It’s really not your business what they dress like. They are not making a chillul Hash-m by dressing nicely! Why can’t they look nice? I think a major issue here is that people DON’T FARGIN one another, something you should think about!!!
FYI I don’t live in Willi, and I have my own issues with the area but lets not go there!
Tell me do you think theres anything wrong with Lakewood couples buying Juicy and other designer labels????June 1, 2011 6:40 pm at 6:40 pm #773501
im lost what does this thing clip on to?June 1, 2011 6:49 pm at 6:49 pm #773502
Why doesn’t everyone just mind their own business?
when i saw your post i had the same exact thought.June 1, 2011 6:53 pm at 6:53 pm #773503
GOQ- its a string that clips the pacifier onto the babies clothing so they cannot lose itJune 1, 2011 7:03 pm at 7:03 pm #773504gavra_at_workParticipant
I’ve never seen it, so I have no comment. But I would think a crystal pacifier would be hard to chew/suck on.June 1, 2011 7:04 pm at 7:04 pm #773505
ahhh ty mucbJune 1, 2011 7:20 pm at 7:20 pm #773506
You have a point but half these threads revolve around people getting involved in other’s lives. You don’t want to buy this for your kid? Don’t! Same with cars, vacations, homes, etcJune 1, 2011 7:23 pm at 7:23 pm #773507
they are not getting involved in other persons lives
they are however discussing values that other people IN GENERAL have.
its perhaps not the best topic for a Yid but it doesnt need to be stamped out by the forum police either.
you are doing the same thing they are
as am iJune 1, 2011 7:27 pm at 7:27 pm #773508
I don’t agree. A discussion is perfectly fine. What I don’t understand is why the people that buy these things have to be put down as a result.June 1, 2011 7:53 pm at 7:53 pm #773509
when the simple yungerman/yungerlafy who sopposedly lived w/o any income and is being moiser nefesh for learning, is using all these fancy gadgets and spending on totally frivilous items such as silver pacifiers, yes, that ups the bar for everyone. Just as in the “olden days” yeshiva guys had yeshivish station wagon for $200 w/o mirrors or a hood, the “gvir” had a ford minivan. When the yungamanchik needed a ford minivan the gvir upgraded to the Odyssey. When the kollel fellow gets an odyessy the gvir leases a Avalon. Its a wild goosechase starting with the simple $5 items.
That is why it IS everyones business. You aren’t giving your child a silver pacifier because he needs it or even wants it. It is because YOU need it!!June 1, 2011 8:06 pm at 8:06 pm #773510
Again I would like to re-iterate that I was not emphasizing the health risks involved , rather the high level of gashmius that has become normal in today’s society. If you want to buy a fancy seder pillow cover you can at least pretend to be moira heter that it’s Zeh Keili viAnveyhu. But a fancy clip is like gold and diamond car keys. i think it’s simply not tzniusJune 1, 2011 8:26 pm at 8:26 pm #773511
So what you’re saying is that the “gvir” shouldn’t buy the Lexus (or whatever we’re up to) because others might upgrade to the Avalon?June 1, 2011 8:50 pm at 8:50 pm #773512always runs with scissors fastParticipant
Maybe the hanhaloim of the girls’ schools should first check which baby pacifier clip the baby’s wearing before considering your eligible discount on tuition?
How are schools suppose to handle this? I agree its a BIG problem. I personally heard of a lady who was being “hassled” by the school to pay up and she kept on saying I am sorry I can’t..I don’t have…and finally,, her husband asking them not to harrass her as she cannot cope and take it.
Next time they saw her at a party she was sporting a NEW fur coat!June 1, 2011 9:12 pm at 9:12 pm #773513KGHMember
When my older children were born, someone gave me silver diaper pins engraved with the babies’ initials.(I guess diaper pins are dating me.) Anyway, no one saw the diaper pins, and it was nice to use them. The person who gave me the gift is not chareidi, heimish, etc.; it was just given as a special gift. But nowadays, parents and gift givers should use more discretion and common sense.
Goldenkint, our mothers must have been lanzleit; the expression “nisht aroisrassin yenims’ oigen” was used a lot in our home.June 1, 2011 10:12 pm at 10:12 pm #773514
my message is to the yungerman, “As try as you might to be like a baalabus, the baalabus can always upgrade much easier and doesn’t want to be seen as in the same status as you, so keep to your bashed up stationwagon and dont up the standard for everyone else!”June 1, 2011 10:25 pm at 10:25 pm #773515commonsenseParticipant
the reason we care is because all this luxus an indication of where our generation is holding. luxus in today’s times in not only for rich, it has become a necessity for all of us. buying a bugaboo when you live off your parents and uncle sam is a shonda. if you need programs you should not be able to afford a bugaboo and if you can then don’t take programs. we have such a ‘kumpt mir’ attitude and very few feel any responsibility to pay their own way. these clips are just the tip of a very large iceberg that portray the very wrong values that are pervading our society.
and again when i say all of us, i am using the general ‘all’. I know there are many among us who are not like this, they just happen to be the silent minority.June 1, 2011 11:36 pm at 11:36 pm #773516
I agree 100% with that. The rich guy can upgrade and it’s up to the poor guy to see if he can. Which is my point – let him decide and do what he wants. Why is it my business to tell him what he can afford?
I don’t agree with people living luxurious lifestyles when living off of others. However, after 120, it is them who will have to give din v’cheshbon. I think they know it’s wrong and it’s not my place to limit his spending.
I get the sense that it’s usually the people who can’t afford something but wish they could that tend to bash those who can afford it…June 1, 2011 11:46 pm at 11:46 pm #773517
My bash wasn’t directed at the expenditure itself (though I am maskim), rather the fact that it is considered normal accepted to adorn a regular childrens weekday outfit with precious gems and metals. I’m referring to the principle – not the bank accountJune 2, 2011 12:04 am at 12:04 am #773518
The point is that although you think you are uping the stadard for yourself, you are uping the stadard of everyone, until noone can afford we they are (as we are all in that boat today).June 2, 2011 4:16 am at 4:16 am #773519
Fine. They are raising the standard. But just because those who can’t afford it succumb to peer pressure doesn’t mean that the “rich” should give it up.June 2, 2011 6:25 am at 6:25 am #773520BSDMember
Forget the pacifiers, what’s with all the fancy Japanese cars. Everyone seems to need a set of Honda accord and odyssey or toyota Camry and Sienna lined up in their driveway.
zaidy-“when the simple yungerman/yungerlafy”
What’s a yungerlafy? I couldn’t find it in the dictionary.
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