November 2, 2009 1:29 am at 1:29 am #670636mybatMember
I actually saw a pregnant woman today smoking!!! I didn’t have the guts to tell her anything but I was really shocked!November 2, 2009 9:53 am at 9:53 am #670637devoMember
Why not mybat? Even if she doesn’t want to hear it, why would you let her kill an unborn baby. Its like having an abortion, which we don’t endorse, but smoking is o.k. Its like being an alchoholic or a drug addict!!!!!!!!!!November 2, 2009 3:45 pm at 3:45 pm #670638
One thing is for sure, you wont see smokers running the NYC Marathon!November 3, 2009 12:17 pm at 12:17 pm #670639
Why not? Why can’t they run in the marathon? because they’re stupid enough to ruin their lives they won’t dream for higher pursuits? what a world we live in that the only thing we care about is looking good but when it comes to being healthy and spiritually smart we’re so out of touch that we don’t care. We do not even see it as an issue. What can we do about this I ask of you.November 3, 2009 3:43 pm at 3:43 pm #670640shaatraMember
My grandpa smoke for over 60 years, when he went to the doctor, the doctor showed him all the damage to his lungs, he never lifted a cigarette again.November 3, 2009 5:39 pm at 5:39 pm #670641A600KiloBearParticipant
I smoked a pipe for 17 years, until I crossed the line from pleasure to addiction.
Once I realized I was up to 3-4 pipefuls at a stretch when bored, and that the nicotine in the stronger and stronger tobacco that I was smoking was what was making me want more, I quit cold turkey and sold my pipes.
I bought a couple of new pipes and started again a year or so after quitting but gave it up once and for all a month later.November 3, 2009 6:39 pm at 6:39 pm #670642
MaKesher: Why not? Why can’t they run in the marathon?
It is because physically, they do not have the lung capacity to be able to run for that amount of time, or sustain that kind of physical effort.
That is why at the Olympics in China the American athletes came off the plane wearing masks. They were trying to protect their lungs from the pollution due to the effect it could possibly have on their athletic performance – especially when winning and losing sometimes comes down to hundredths of a second.November 3, 2009 10:13 pm at 10:13 pm #670643
Wow Nymom, that prooves my point why do people do things like that? So stupid of them.And do you think that wearing a mask will save the lives of our olympic athletes. No!! whats up with that? KolTuvNovember 3, 2009 11:10 pm at 11:10 pm #670644
MaKesher, It has nothing to do with how the individual looks, it comes down to their deteriorating health. Medical Science has proven smoking to hinder your lung capacity, and your lungs play a major role in giving the person the ability to run over 26 miles. (Among all the other damage smoking does to our health)November 4, 2009 7:35 am at 7:35 am #670645
So I don’t care how the person looks either,.What I care about is the fact that we as a whole society endorse smoking. Why? (rhetorical question) There is no answer because it won’t stop until we nip this disgusting habit in the bud.!!!November 4, 2009 12:42 pm at 12:42 pm #670646
Since when does medical science have the only say in the yeshiva world? Hashem can do anything He wants to proove to those of us that are toos imple to understand His great ways. So I still think if these people put their minds to it they can accomplish anything in the entire world.(even run in the olympics and win first prize) If you want it bad enough shoot for the top and with Hashem’s help you will succeed.
GOOD LUCK to all of those people that have dreams and willeach to their highest point and overcome thier habits (whatever they may be) and start living life in a way that YOU wll be proud of later.November 4, 2009 12:52 pm at 12:52 pm #670647
Yoshi: “It all comes from experience”, and how did you stop in the end.I doubt it was so easy as 123. Of course people have to want to quit,in anything if you don’t want it it will never happen. But what can we do to help these people right now? I don’t think they’re mature enogh or responsible enough to make the decission to quit. Some opf them are too young to even differentiate between right or wrong. And we’re expecting these kids just to quit on thier own because they’ll be able to figure it out?! Speak logic and fact to me please not emotional experiences. You can’t really explain things like that to people.November 4, 2009 3:35 pm at 3:35 pm #670648David Bar-MagenMember
Let me preface by saying that, despite tremendous peer pressure, I have never and hopefully will never lift a cigarette to my lips.
That being said, I believe people must be very sensitive toward smokers. Remember that the classical, fallback explanation of why people smoke–they’re just trying to be cool–is an outdated old aphorism that doesn’t apply nearly as much as it once did, when cigarette billboards and commercials were commonplace.
Smoking is an addiction, as is caffeine and, sometimes, overeating–both of which are likewise abused, on occasion, by yeshiva bachurim. If one wishes to take an altruistic approach and question why yeshiva bachurim don’t heed the call, “venishmartem meod es nafshosechem,” they should likewise be fiery advocates against the high-caloric meals served daily in yeshiva and capped off by pastries, chulent, kugel, kishke and beer at the end of the week. We are no longer Polish day laborers who burn thousands of calories a week, and heart issues are the leading causes of death. Rabbanim across the world should be demanding that an hour or two of physical exercise become mandatory in all yeshivos.
In addition, there was someone in this thread who wrote that, categorically, “anyone who smokes is a murderer.” It is exactly this sort of attitude that encourages smokers to continue smoking; they know that anyone who speaks this way is so far removed from the realities of nicotine addiction that nothing that person says needs to be taken seriously. Most people can’t “just stop” smoking without an openly medical impetus, no matter how many heartwarming tales you once heard or read about those who did.
Finally, we must remember that those who do triumph over their addiction have not suddenly opened up their whole lives before them in a new, shining and beautiful way; they have managed to control their body’s need for a substance that, throughout the rest of their lives, it will still crave deeply in times of emotional or social stress. For this reason, it is wrong to try telling a smoker how much better and cleaner his/her life will be once smoking is gone from it. Anyone who understands nicotine addiction also understands that quitting does not mean that one will immediately never want to smoke again; it’ll be like having a perpetual itch that they are being asked never to scratch.
Yes, smoking is filthy, dangerous, unhealthy and foolish, but do not presume to treat those who do it as “bad people.” You do not know their stories, and you do not immediately have the moral high ground. Let’s daven that yeshivas will really start pressing home to their bachurim how terrible a thing it is to even start. Let’s hope that yeshivas will someday stop intertwining Purim with smoking, as though it’s some sort of mitzvas ha-yom. Let’s hope they also begin providing regular exercise and extracurricular activities to keep their boys healthy and occupied.
If people really, truly, cared to preserve the lives of smokers, these things would already be the norm.November 5, 2009 4:38 pm at 4:38 pm #670649
And let me just say, that I think that some yeshivos are moving in the direction you describe. At my sons yeshiva I never see bochurim hanging around outside smoking. And my son came home one day, and told me that an administrator in his yeshiva was seen removing a cigarette from the mouth of one of the bais medrash bochurim. While we debated whether that was the best way to have handled the situation, we applauded the sentiment and creating an atmosphere of “Smoking Not Acceptable” at the yeshiva.November 5, 2009 5:21 pm at 5:21 pm #670651DaniBMember
My boyfriend was a heavy smoker for 12 years. He quit before we started dating (we were friends first) because he knew that I find the habit disgusting. I told him that I can’t control what other people do and that personally I dislike it and could never see myself with a smoker. He stopped smoking cold turkey 2 years ago and has not had a single cigarette since. Due to this, I absolutely believe that people *can* give up smoking. I am not diminishing how difficult it can be. A doctor I know told me she had seen people give up heroin who could not give up smoking. This is part of the reason I am so glad I have never smoked. It makes my life much easier!November 6, 2009 4:46 pm at 4:46 pm #670652
It is also a colossal waste of money! Can you imagine the $ literally going up in smoke, if a person smokes 1-2 packs a day? I have heard that cigarettes can cost between $8 – $10 a pack in NYC. You do the math.
Also, to all those single bachurim out there: Do you think that smoking is attractive? I don’t know any frum girl who would be interested in a guy who smokes.November 8, 2009 6:43 am at 6:43 am #670653
Most of the girls who go out with Lakewood guys don’t care.November 8, 2009 9:39 pm at 9:39 pm #670654
Health: Maybe the people you know are of a different type than the people I know.
And I don’t have children in the parsha of shidduchim yet, but I wouldn’t want my daughter or future grandchildren to be exposed to 2nd hand smoke. And I definitely wouldn’t want to be supporting a thousands-of-dollars-a-year harmful addiction, no matter if he’s the “best boy in Lakewood” or not! I’d rather take a 2nd or 3rd “best” non-smoker, if it’s the choice between those two. My humble opinion.November 8, 2009 11:57 pm at 11:57 pm #670655YW Moderator-42Moderator
In this week’s parsha there is a mekor for chusin cigarettes, Eliezer brought Rivka a pack of camels!!November 9, 2009 1:56 am at 1:56 am #670656
Too bad more people don’t have your attidude; it would cut down a lot of this smoking.November 11, 2009 8:30 am at 8:30 am #670657
I think this problem stems from the older generation. These days parents don’t have such a great handle on thier children, so of course they’ll do things to test the waters and sometimes it can be detrimental, almost life-threatening to our children’s lives, and now the way things have progressed are we able to stand up to our children and find them better outlets and better ways to rebel as teenagers, or have we given it up as a lost cause for the entire world that we can’t fix until Mashiach comes? Is it possible to take a look at our past and see where we are now and see if what we’ve become is worth it?November 20, 2009 1:10 pm at 1:10 pm #670658
I guess no one has an answer to my question, and its not right of me to blame anyone. Sorry. But this is our situation now and I think its time for a change. We have progressed so much over the past century. I think its possible to take the care of our health to the maximum level. We owe it to ourselves to care about living longer and healthier, and we might as well start where we can. All I’m asking is to try your best and take a little baby step to a next level in any habit that you find inhibiting you from advancing in your life.November 23, 2009 11:17 am at 11:17 am #670659
I just learned an amazing proof about smoking. In Rav Dessler’s kuntras Habechira in Michtav MeEliyahu, Rav Dessler brings a very good example to bring across his point on Bechira. He uses the example of a smoker. S/o whos been smoing for a long time and really wants to quit. For wahtever reason he decides this is it and I don’t want to smoke anymore. This is a very hard choice to make and the person should be commended for taking such a big step. Because tis is the first step on the road to recovery. I think it was easier to accept this example of the Rav’s after being divulged the info that he used to be a smoker for many years!! and when it came out that smoking was unhealthy he decided to stop smoking.
Rav Dessler gives tips on how to quit:1.He told all of his talmidim that he was quitting and that made the recovery process much easier in the long run.
I’m sure it was very hard and took a lot of strength and willpower to finally let go of this long lasting habit. I am sure it didn’t happen overnight. Smoking is addicting and it takes alot out of a person to decide and stick to his guns about the choice he has made to give up the smoking.
I know a Rav who told his students (I was there)that he was a smoker for almost 9 years. He tried many times to quit but it didn’t work, then he tried another time this time making a whole gameplan for himself and actually quitting. Here is what he said, he once tried to quit during Bein Hazmanim and he just couldn’t do it-it was too hard to go thru niocotine wihdrawl during the zman. So he waited until Bein Hazmanim and tried again, but this time he also took Rav Dessler’s advice and told his friends I’m quitting to smoke and thier help/encourageness would be much appreciated. Also during the first month of quitting he made for himself a reward system that every morning he would buy for himself fresh doughnuts and would bribe himself=eat them every time he felt the urge to smoke. He said he probably got really fat after that but it didn’t matter b/c he achieved his goal: he quit smoking.(Now he’s as healthy looking as he can be for his age and I’m sure he takes care of himself to the best of his abilities) So for all you people out there that think its too late and it can’t be done THINK AGAIN! The greatest rabbanim in the world have experienced Ta’ava and conquered it, and there lives have gone on pretty well afterwards too. Its never too late to try again. As the saying goes:”You try you fail, you try you fail, but the only true failure is when you stop trying”, so then what should you do? “try again!”
Lots of hatzlacha to all of us trying to overcome our tests in life.
P.S. I usually don’t write really long posts, but this lesson that I learned was so inspiring and it gave me more reason to hope for my friends struggling with smoking that they still can change thier habits, and that yes, a good friend can always be there to help them along even in the darkest hour of struggle and dispair.
All the best,
a caring friendNovember 23, 2009 1:16 pm at 1:16 pm #670660
My father quit smoking after about 30 or more years. When it was too painful to smoke, he stopped.November 23, 2009 2:32 pm at 2:32 pm #670661PosterMember
Walk outside of Maimonides Hospital and you will see the dr.s and nurses smoking. What are pple supposed to think then?November 23, 2009 4:51 pm at 4:51 pm #670662
just like “chareidim” throwing rocks and rioting isn’t o.k, we’re not endorsing or saying that its right that doctors or nurses smoke either. We can’t judge ppl and what pushes them over the edge, we don’t know what ppl go thru in thier lives and how they see fit to deal with it . Its their choice what to do with thier lives. All we can do is try and help them along and turn them onto the right path. Also ppl should be smart and use thier common sense. We’re jews and we’re supposed to be smart,we have other role models other than doctors and high up fancy ppl. Use your good judgement as a smart person and G-d willing you can’t go wrong.November 24, 2009 7:54 pm at 7:54 pm #670663oomisParticipant
People have a right to do what they will with their lives…
as long as what they are doing is not illegal/contrary to Torah, harmful to another person or the environment, and reasonably not harmful to themselves. The fact that someone still smokes in this day and age when only a moonrock does not know of the dangers of smoking and second-hand smoke,proves that such a person HAS no good judgment.
The reason Hashem probably gave us the Torah rather than allow us to rely on our good judgment to be good people, is that all too often people show very poor judgment, and judgment is a very subjective thing. We live in a day and age where people who are otherwise nice, fine, moral people think nothing of cheating on their taxes, paying cash so they don’t have to pay tax, and do assorted untzniusdik acts because they are “not hurting anyone.” Good judgment is highly overrated.November 30, 2009 6:42 pm at 6:42 pm #670664
Do you believe that ppl have a right to mess up thier lives? If it is something that only a moonrock doesn’t know about then how can a person be so stupid and do something disgusting and dangerous to thier life? o.k so they have no good judgement, why not? Where are the teachers of science, health and rebbes that can teach and proove that smking is bad habits. And if you say the person has a “right” to do what they want with thier life then fine. I don’t like this approach and I don’t agree with it BUT….
do the smokers out there know how they’re affecting the ppl around them? Do they even care? Who wants to die by second hand smoke because some ppl can’t control thier desires or thier judgement.
Non-smokers can’t make the smokers stop b/c smokers think that other ppl don’t understand them. Just because we don’t smoke doesn’t mean that we don’t have our own struggles in areas that we believe that other ppl don’t understand. But if we were just to open up and ask someone and let them in on our struggles then we would have a friend or someone else to help us navigate through the darkness to the light at the end of the tunnel. Trust me its really helpful and it really works.November 30, 2009 9:46 pm at 9:46 pm #670665
Please stop complaining about smoking. Smoking is good for business!December 1, 2009 2:09 am at 2:09 am #670666
Health whose business is it good for the Cancer Specialist so he can use Chemo and Radiation to shrink or erradicate the Tumor Mass. WHAT ABOUT PREVENTION!!! Why not try to find ways of helping smokers quit and get healthy. I find your comment to Makesher sad and disappointing.December 1, 2009 5:47 am at 5:47 am #670667
yankdownunder: I think Health was joking. Lighten up.December 1, 2009 6:46 am at 6:46 am #670668
Thank you yankdownunder and yes I totally agree with you and that is what I’m trying to promote: prevention rather then deal with the problem as it comes up and I do hope that the cigarette companies go out of bussiness what do we need thier bussiness for anyway?December 2, 2009 4:27 pm at 4:27 pm #670669
Haifagirl, that was a pretty bad joke. I don’t like that kind of humor, its not funny at all. Why should we lighten up? Do you care about the things we’ve been saying, do you understand? (this is a question at large not directly directed at haifagirl)December 3, 2009 3:46 am at 3:46 am #670670
I was being cynical.
And it’s also true- it’s good for business if you practice medicine. People who want to stop smoking can be helped by the medical profession. But the key is “who want”. Ask a shrink- the more you tell them not to, the more they won’t listen. They need positive encouragement!
EDITEDDecember 3, 2009 7:19 am at 7:19 am #670671
Health I don’t understand why someone in the healing profession would be cynical about a person RL. suffering with a smoking addiction. Why not say Tehilim, maybe in the merit of Dovid Ha Melech the smoker will see the smoke as a signal to quit.December 3, 2009 8:26 am at 8:26 am #670672.chParticipant
I used to be a smoker, stopped around a month ago. Telling people that they are killing themselves, it is bad for the family etc. will not help unless you are exceptionally close to them.
Every person needs their own path that allows them to stop. The best would be in my opionion to ensure that the affected people get professional help. Be it from the GP, specialist, support groups or even online. An excellent resource that I would recommend passing on to anyone would be http://www.stopsmokingcenter.net. The worst thing you can do to a smoker is minimize his issue, blame him he has no bottle etc. Just for your information, many experts consider nicotine to be at least on par if not a greater addictive substance than heroin.
BH being married the often heard phrase “I will not consider any Bochur that has smoked.” Does not apply to me. What I do not understand is this categorical NO, one has to understand that no-one becomes addicted by choice. In practically all cases this was started by a temporary lapse of judgement etc. Now it is clear that regardless of that there is an elevated health danger. But the type of Bochur that I am refering to is someone who say at 18 went trough a tough time, smoked for a certain amount of time. Now you know [from reliable sources!] that he has stopped for a year. This means that long term effects will be almost certainly minimal. Secondarily it means that he will gone trough physical pain to get rid of this problem, now how many people have gone trough physical pain to change certain aspects of their lives? In and of its own it is a trait I would highly value in any person.
In fact it might be an idea if theyeshivaworld could set up a “support group / forum” for those who are trying to quit, on the above mentioned website and other it is one of the greatest assets. You can talk to people who understand you have been trough the same and can help you.December 3, 2009 9:21 am at 9:21 am #670673
I’m sure professional shrinks would appreciate not to have to be rehab stations for avid smokers as part of thier job description.
#2 I don’t appreciate your sense of humor-cynical or otherwise in this matter, because I get the feeling that you don’t appreciate this topic and the fact that I would like to figure out alternatives to this issue.
#3 we should be trying to guide ppl and just be there for them to explain the ramifications of thier actions and try to get them to see on thier own why they should quit smoking.
And lastly thats what we are trying to hpefully do: give them positive encouragement.:)December 3, 2009 4:42 pm at 4:42 pm #670674
To .ch: I have never heard of pple nixing a shidduch because the bochur has smoked sometime in the past. I think that if someone was able to overcome the addiction of smoking, that shows incredible strength of character.
However, I have heard of cases where the guy claims that he doesn’t smoke or “gave up smoking”, and then after marriage resumes smoking, so that the wife who did not want to marry a smoker is now married to a smoker. So there are both perspectives to take into acct.
But your recommendation of finding out [from reliable sources!] that he has stopped for a year is a good one, IMO.December 3, 2009 6:28 pm at 6:28 pm #670675
Health I don’t understand why someone in the healing profession would be cynical about a person RL. suffering with a smoking addiction.
You cannot help somebody who does not want to be helped. It just isn’t possible.
Sometimes the only things left to do are laugh or cry. And when you’ve already cried too much, you just have to laugh.
MaKesher, yankdownunder and others, be very grateful you haven’t yet reached that point where you’ve cried so much you can’t cry any more.December 4, 2009 2:44 am at 2:44 am #670676
Thanks for answering for me.
Please don’t comment on what mental health professionals would or would not appreciate. There are a lot of them that only treat addictions. It seems to me that you have the attitude that you are better than them (smokers). Pitying smokers will not get them to stop. Encouraging them to seek professional help will. There are a lot of tools nowadays in the medical & mental toolbox to help these people. But I know where you are coming from. I’ve even seen medical professionals put down smokers. This doesn’t do any good and perhaps these stradegies are even worse than keeping quiet.December 4, 2009 6:38 am at 6:38 am #670677
Sometimes when someone is smoking for a long period, it starts becoming a crutch for them. When they are stressed, smoke. When depressed, smoke. When nervous, smoke. When bored, smoke. The list can go on and on. Just like some individuals who are obese, turn to “food” as an outlet.
The point is, when deciding to quick smoking, something has to take the place of the habit, otherwise, like any other “crutch” that falls, so will the person using it. Most importantly, the person must Want to quick before taking any other steps. People don’t realize that “wanting” to quit is the First step to rid themselves of the smoking habit. That “Want” to quit stage is not as easy as it may sound. It’s very hard for some people to get to that stage with positive intentions. Even those who have the “wanting” to quit step behind them, have a very long way to go.
Support, support, support, is very important for someone who’s trying to quit smoking. The more family and friends there are to give their love and support, understanding and uplifting, the better it will be for someone trying to break the habit.
Perhaps we can dedicate this thread to act as a “Support Group.” For those who smoke, want to quit, in the process of quitting, and those who are smoke free. Together, we can share our hardships, and triumphs as smokers and ex-smokers. As well as others to share what ever helpful knowledge they may want to contribute to the cause. Stories, and experiences. What made you start smoking? How did you quit smoking? What advice can we give our children to prevent them from smoking? and etc…December 4, 2009 8:09 am at 8:09 am #670678
thanks for the criticism. It took me a few times to read through it before I was willing to accept what you said. But I don’t agree with you. I do not feel like I have the attitude that I am better than smokers. Granted I thank G-d that I have never been faced with the challenge of deciding to smoke or not and I hope I never will be (and even if I have been pressured I’ve never taken the bait). And Chas Veshalom I never said that I pity smokers I actually think that they have made stupid choices and when someone makes a choice that isn’t 100% in the right he still has the chance to change his decisions and the course of his life.
Please tell me how do you ENCOURAGE people not to smoke?
Waiting for some practical advice that actually works.December 4, 2009 9:07 am at 9:07 am #670679
at this point, I don’t think encouraging most adults to not smoke is a helpful thing.
I think that everyone who could easily quit, has already quit. Why in the world would anyone continue smoking these days? Not only are you endangering your health, but you’re also made into a social pariah, exiled to the doorways of buildings to partake in your habit.
those who still smoke are people with an overly strong addiction to smoking, and they require our compassion, support and, as Health and Yoshi and others said, professional help.
Young people are another story. They should be discouraged and perhaps even shamed into not smoking. I was fortunate that it only took two puffs of a cigarette when I was 18 years old to convince me that smoking was not for me, and I was never again tempted by it.December 5, 2009 4:52 pm at 4:52 pm #670680
Young ppl are a big part of the story. They get the idea from I don’t know where and once they start they can’t stop.
Have you ever heard of an 18 year old listening to someone trying to discourage them from doing anything they want to do?
And if you’re so into teens not smoking at all why did you even try it?
You could still be smoking after those 2 stupid puffs but you’re not?December 5, 2009 11:33 pm at 11:33 pm #670681
Probably because they were wise puffs, rather than stupid puffs.
My mother smoked until I was 14. My grandparents smoked, almost everyone smoked. They smoked everywhere, at home, at the table, in the hospital, etc.
This was during a time when the famous Surgeon General’s Report on smoking first came out, and there was lots of pressure from the children to the adults to give up smoking.
Most did. As I said before, everyone who didn’t have a severe and unbearable physical urge gave up smoking over the next 20 years. What sane person wouldn’t do that if he could?
I tried it, because, that’s what teenagers do, I suppose. I had to confirm it wasn’t for me, even though I probably knew that already.December 6, 2009 1:08 am at 1:08 am #670682oomisParticipant
To me, smoking is like drinking whiskey. I cannot imagine that after trying it one time, any sane person would say, “WOW! I love this feeling of choking and coughing my guts up/the taste of my mouth burning up from that vile liquid! I should do this AGAIN, really soon!!!!!”December 6, 2009 3:17 am at 3:17 am #670683
Dear O’oomis: yet people do just that. With cigarettes as well as whiskey.December 6, 2009 7:01 am at 7:01 am #670684
I think a lot of young people see older people in their yeshiva smoking. They unfortunately look up to these older people and it perpetuates. I don’t think the hanhalah of the yeshivos do enough to discourage new smokers.
Now, I’ll address your question of how to encourage smokers to quit. First of all, don’t approach someone who you don’t know -they’ll never accept anything from a stranger. You can approach someone you know, but not with something like -Did you know smoking is the leading cause of cancer?, this will just alienate them. What you can say is -Oh you smoke- how long have you been smoking? They will probably tell you. Then you say -have you tried quitting? They will either answer yes or no. If they answer yes, they will probably go into a whole story about how they tried and failed and so on. Wait till they are done and then say -You know you should go see your doctor, they have a lot of new ways to help people quit. Even if the guy tried a few ways, he probably didn’t do all of them. Some places have an organized team to help people quit consisting of a therapist and a clinician. One to tackle the psychological component and the other to tackle the physical component.December 6, 2009 8:11 am at 8:11 am #670685
yoshi- What a wonderful idea to dedicate a thread to support quitting smoking. Who is better to give chizuk and empathize than an ex smoker. Saving money as well as saving the quality of ones health is a very important mitzvah.December 6, 2009 8:45 am at 8:45 am #670686
Thank you very much Health for the advice. Maybe it will work with some of my friends.
Going back to what you said about the younger people its all just one big chain we’ve gotten ourselves into and we can’t seem to break the chain. You say that these young ppl get it from the older ppl in their yeshiva/circles, well the older people got it from their mentors in their circles…… and the chain just keeps going on and on. There’s no way we can change the industry of smoking for as you said “its bad for the smoking industry”. Well I don’t really care about the smoking industry, what I care about is what they represent and what is being allowed to happen through the smoking industry.
Its not just smoking, because a lot of people don’t see that as an addiction, but from other things that we would call addictions and corruptness we see all the time in our daily lives.
We are losing our younger generation to the glitter and glamour of “the outside world”. We’re giving all these explainations of why our kids are going off the derech or not happy with where they are now, but what are we as the regular waylay people doing about our young ones, our next generation that will continue the chain of Torah that we’ve kept alive for so long. Is it fair to them that we are having them grow up in such turbulent times and those same kids are expected to do everything perfect to create a kiddush Hashem in the world when their elders, their mentors and their peers are giving off such bad examples of character?
I know this is probably not what Health had in mind when that post was written but its just something for us all (including me) to think about.
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