Smoking vs. Bochurim on the Internet
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February 4, 2009 4:22 am at 4:22 am #638923
it is mutar to smoke on purim but never mutar to go on the internet.( i’m addicted to the cr.(February 4, 2009 4:23 am at 4:23 am #638924oomisParticipant
“we’re both going to burn at the end of the day. in that case, i’d rather be a decent human being who is mechalel shabbos than keep mitzvos and be a creep. at least i have manners.”
Moish, why do you seem to believe it is an either/or situation? I would rather be a decent human being who is NOT mechalel Shabbos. I would rather do mitzvos and NOT be a creep. It’s not a choice to be one or the other. We can be both.February 4, 2009 4:24 am at 4:24 am #638925
flatbush27: Find me the issur in halacha?February 4, 2009 4:26 am at 4:26 am #638926
true. but i was just comparing the two situations as they are.February 4, 2009 4:37 am at 4:37 am #638927
tt: the rabbonim and gedolim have said that its assur. i do not have their teshovos in front of me to tell you their proofs on why its assur. but if you think its mutar then why just on purim do you say its mutar? everyday should beFebruary 4, 2009 4:39 am at 4:39 am #638928
oomis right on target (as usual)February 4, 2009 6:10 am at 6:10 am #638929
kapusta, i really wasn’t planning on answering you.
the first question i reserve the right to ignore.
and the second one… well put it this way: i never did anything lehachis because it’s wrong. i do what i feel like doing for my own self. that’s all.February 4, 2009 7:04 am at 7:04 am #638930JayMatt19Participant
torahtzvia: >>flatbush27: Find me the issur in halacha?<<
torahtzvia, please show us the heter for Purim in halacha (with sources if there are any)February 4, 2009 7:37 am at 7:37 am #638931frumsatireMember
Whoever started this topic is amazing, I cannot believe people actually believe that to be the truth.
So I guess its better to be dead and not able to do good then to be on the internet. Sounds great to me – I do wonder why you are all on the internet wasting your time rather then learning some torah.February 4, 2009 9:05 am at 9:05 am #638932amichaiParticipant
tt, going back a few posts of yours, ”you allow people to smoke on purim cause it brings happiness. ”what the devil? can i steal someones bmw cause it’ll bring me happiness, or $$ in the bank?? what are you talking about?February 4, 2009 3:30 pm at 3:30 pm #638933noitallmrParticipant
“its not mutar on purim. its just accepted “
Whoa a bit slower…if you are smoking on Purim and Purim only then it doesn’t go into the category of Veshomartem Meod Nafshoseichem because 3 cigs a year will not do anything at all to your lungs.
But chances are that if you start on Purim your bound to carry on and eventually get addicted which is clearly and definitely ossur. So it might be Ossur to smoke on Purim solely because you will likely end up addicted but the actual smoking isn’t ossur.February 4, 2009 5:48 pm at 5:48 pm #638934SJSinNYCMember
if you are smoking on Purim and Purim only then it doesn’t go into the category of Veshomartem Meod Nafshoseichem because 3 cigs a year will not do anything at all to your lungs.
I could be wrong but…I think any amount of smoking can be harmful. Its just that the MORE you smoke the MORE LIKELY it is to harm you.February 4, 2009 9:08 pm at 9:08 pm #638935areivimzehlazehParticipant
“torahtzvia: >>flatbush27: Find me the issur in halacha?<<
torahtzvia, please show us the heter for Purim in halacha (with sources if there are any) “
EXCELLENT!February 4, 2009 11:20 pm at 11:20 pm #638936
“So it might be Ossur to smoke on Purim solely because you will likely end up addicted but the actual smoking isn’t ossur.”
not condoning smoking on purim but i think plenty of guys smoke on purim and dont become addicted. alot more than those ho do become addictedFebruary 5, 2009 12:53 am at 12:53 am #638937oomisParticipant
There are lots of things I would love to do that would bring me temporary happiness, and are probably bad for me. Fortunately I am a grownup and realize that this desire for immediate gratification is childish. I have seen otherwise nice bochurim vomiting their guts up or doing worse (ON MY LAWN), because they got smashed on Purim and/or Simchas Torah at the Yeshivah next door to my home. Please don’t talk about “bringing anyone happiness,” smoking is unquestionably unhealthy and stinky-smelling at bestm, and deadly to the smoker and anyone around him on a regular basis, at worst. No rov should allow cigarettes in any Yeshivah at any time, and it should be strongly assered, in schmoozes.February 5, 2009 2:06 am at 2:06 am #638938
let me rephrase my first question (what caused you to go “off”-I really dont like that terminoligy) and ask you what issues you have in the frum community and any suggestions for fixing. this really deserves its own thread, not why kids leave the fold (not much better) but ideas for stopping such situations.February 5, 2009 3:07 am at 3:07 am #638939
it’s mutar to smoke on purim once again, i discussed it with my rav and he said yes and only on purimFebruary 5, 2009 4:00 am at 4:00 am #638940mw13Participant
torahtziva, which part of “ushmartem mioed es nafshosaychem” don’t you understand?
flatbush27, of course not everyone gets addicted. But some do, and some of them die.February 5, 2009 5:09 am at 5:09 am #638941
it’s not gonna happen in this lifetime anyway, so what’s the difference? why don’t you ask all the brilliant people who think they know kids so well? of course the ones who think they know what they’re doing haven’t got a clue and vice versa… but that’s another story.February 5, 2009 5:19 am at 5:19 am #638942
the point is to make it happen in this lifetime and the difference is that its coming from you, a victim, not some hotshot who has a name up in lightsFebruary 5, 2009 5:57 am at 5:57 am #638943
plenty of guys talk. people only hear what they want to.February 5, 2009 6:10 am at 6:10 am #638944
did you ever consider working for the FBI? you’re great so fine, make a deal. you can keep all your private information as is, but one day, after the reformation, you do something with it…
yeah yeah, I know I was going…don’t tell meFebruary 5, 2009 6:17 am at 6:17 am #638945
one dayFebruary 5, 2009 6:18 am at 6:18 am #638946
…but by then i’ll probably be one of the idiot adults who thinks he gets it, but doesn’t really. you can never win.February 5, 2009 6:35 am at 6:35 am #638947
thats why its important to do it now, so you can understand (if you dont already) where both sides are coming from. almost everyone understands both sides but you understand your side of the arguement much more than most people because for you this is real life every day. you’re aware of your challenges, feelings and impressions more than anyone. isnt it worth doing something small (even tiny) if you would know that one day someone would avoid ending up in trouble? (please don’t tell me that you do what you want anyway)February 6, 2009 3:44 am at 3:44 am #638948
mw13: my rav said that i can so i will, that issur is only if you get addicted, but smoking once will not kill anyone.February 6, 2009 4:04 am at 4:04 am #638950goody613Member
how can you decide if youll get addicted? i don’t believe that your rav said it’s mutarFebruary 6, 2009 4:22 am at 4:22 am #638953mw13Participant
torahtziva, the first cigarette might might not kill you, but you never know which one might. And remember, every last person who died from lung cancer once smoked his first cigarette, probaly with the exact same attitude as you.
“plenty of guys talk. people only hear what they want to.”
Tell you what: you say whatever you want right here, and if the mods approve it, we’ll listen.February 6, 2009 5:31 am at 5:31 am #638954
the mods won’t approve it. end of story.February 6, 2009 5:45 am at 5:45 am #638955
water it down so the mods will approve it and we out here in coffee-land can still understand.February 6, 2009 6:30 am at 6:30 am #638956
no desire to spill my guts. not now, at least.February 6, 2009 7:03 am at 7:03 am #638957
no please dont, they belong inside you… where they were originally put…but you get the point, maybe don’t go into such detail but give us a basic ideaFebruary 6, 2009 7:42 am at 7:42 am #638958
no thanksFebruary 6, 2009 6:42 pm at 6:42 pm #638959
tt. and lets say you do become addicted? lemafraya, the one on purim is assur?! thats completely illogical. if you want to smoke on purim then smoke. dont say its mutar. and by your logic of happiness can you smoke other things on purim (marijuana) which is not even addictive (physically)February 23, 2009 8:29 pm at 8:29 pm #638961JustAGirlMember
I think I fall in between the two sides.
The internet is a necessity. Yeshiva Bachurim are supposed to be sheltered from it.
Who is to say that all he is looking at is Yeshiva World?
Do you know anyone who ONLY looks at frum websites? Puh-leez.
People have to be realistic. This guy could be looking at other things online. I don’t know whether he is, but he very well could be.
People who claim to be full-time learners, obviously are not expected to be learning 24/7, but they claim to be on a higher level. Doubt that higher level includes web surfing.February 24, 2009 3:04 am at 3:04 am #638962qwertyuiopMember
JustAGirl: well, ever since i joined the CR, the majority of my time spent on the internet, is on jewish websites.$February 24, 2009 3:23 am at 3:23 am #638963anonymisssParticipant
qwerty, I’ll say my revised version of that sentence.
well, ever since i joined the CR, the majority of my time spent on the internet, is on the CR!
~a~February 24, 2009 3:25 am at 3:25 am #638964
qwertyuiop: are you a full time learner?February 24, 2009 4:31 am at 4:31 am #638965asdfghjklParticipant
JustAGirl: i’m with qwertyuiop, ever since i joined the cr, i really spend most of my internet time in the cr!!! i used to be on other not that great sites on the internet!!! thanx ywn for the cr!!!!February 24, 2009 4:47 am at 4:47 am #638966qwertyuiopMember
ames: what’s wrong with that??$
anonymisss: well when there is no updates, i go to other websites, but i do spend alot of time here, because it’s thebest!$
flatbush: no, i work/learn/college, during the day.$February 24, 2009 5:26 am at 5:26 am #638967
hey, flatbush no one get addicted from one cigarette. no one even enjoys their first smoke.February 24, 2009 12:25 pm at 12:25 pm #638968JosephParticipant
moish, you just gave more reasons not to ever take that first cigarette.
People don’t enjoy that first cigarette, yet we know many people do get addicted.February 24, 2009 5:55 pm at 5:55 pm #638969
moish. when did i say they do? I dont think its such a big deal for a guy to have an occasional smokeFebruary 24, 2009 7:02 pm at 7:02 pm #638970SJSinNYCMember
Joseph, I tried a cigarette once just because I wanted to see what the big deal was. I didnt enjoy and didnt continue.February 24, 2009 8:14 pm at 8:14 pm #638971
joseph, it’s a good reason not to. but if you do it’s not terrible.February 25, 2009 2:23 am at 2:23 am #638972
definitely not pro smoking, but I think of the “evils” out there, its one of the bestFebruary 25, 2009 2:39 am at 2:39 am #638973
cool i guess i’m a good evil, kapusta!
ha jk i wouldn’t call myself a smokerFebruary 25, 2009 2:46 am at 2:46 am #638974
to stave off any attacks from my newfound “friends” I’ll just keep quiet for right nowFebruary 25, 2009 5:20 am at 5:20 am #638976
i agree with you kapusta. although the attacks are fun to stave off
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