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Doomsday: “Siblings of children with autism who are 100% UNVAXXED do NOT have autism!”
2Cents:”I have posted many sources of data that clearly demonstrate otherwise, ”

2Cents let me see your “many sources of data” demonstrating children who are 100% unvaccinated
with Autism!
Your twin study did not include children who were 100% unvaccinated!
Your MMR-Sibling study did not include children who were 100% unvaccinated!

So either produce a study showing children who were 100% unvaccinated with Autism
OR ADMIT YOU LIED!

doomsday -“So either produce a study showing children who were 100% unvaccinated with Autism
OR ADMIT YOU LIED!”

The only Liar is You!

Just in case you think I’m 2scents or s/o else – I don’t post by any other SN.
Like I posted many times – I am NOT talking to you, but to people sitting on the fence with regards to this issue.
From VeryWell Health:
“Both Vaccinated and Unvaccinated Children Can Have Autism
And since vaccines don’t cause autism, it shouldn’t be surprising that there are unvaccinated children with autism. The only reason there aren’t more is that most parents vaccinate their children, so, of course, most autistic children are going to be vaccinated.
Unvaccinated Children with Autism
You may not hear about these children very often, but there are certainly unvaccinated children with autism. Several comparison studies have been made of autism rates between vaccinated and unvaccinated children and found no difference. One such study was from Japan where the MMR vaccine was withdrawn from the country due to concerns about aseptic meningitis. In the study, at least 170 children were found to have developed autism even though they had not received the MMR vaccine.
But that’s just one vaccine, there are also many examples of completely unvaccinated children who have developed autism. A study published in the February 2014 issue of Autism found that “the rates of autism spectrum disorder diagnosis did not differ between immunized and nonimmunized younger sib groups.”
Lara Lohne, although she was never vaccinated because her parents were anti-vaccine, had every intention of vaccinating her own child. She didn’t though, because of financial issues. And although he had never received any vaccines, her son developed autism:
“I must admit that it was through conversations with a coworker that I began to suspect something might be wrong with my youngest son. It concerned me so much that I started looking for information online. I read some of the stories and they sounded similar to what I was experiencing with my son – with the symptoms, the regression and the age at which it all started to become apparent.”
In a more common scenario, a parent might have a child with autism and decide to not vaccine their next child. These unvaccinated children are certainly not protected against vaccine-preventable diseases and they aren’t at any less risk for developing autism.
There are many more stories like this. They include authors and contributors to anti-vaccine websites that have unvaccinated children with autism.
More on Autism Among Unvaccinated Children
You only have to look at personal stories and posts in parenting forums to see that there are many cases of autism among unvaccinated and partially vaccinated children:
“It is highly likely my 4-year-old son is autistic. And he is completely 100 percent vaccine-free. And I am just at a total loss.”
“I have unvaxxed kids on the spectrum, and my friend does as well.”
“A good friend’s son is autistic. He is totally non-vaxxed.”
“I seriously delayed vaccinating my son, so had very few vaxxes at the time he was diagnosed”
“We have autism in our unvaxxed children”
“I know two little boys who are both autistic, completely non-vaxxed”
“I have two unvaccinated children who are on the autism spectrum and have never vaccinated any of my children.”
“I am not sure what caused my son’s autism, but autistic he is. He is completely unvaxxed as we stopped vaxxing 10 years ago.”
“I have a 10 year old daughter with autism spectrum disorder… My daughter has never had a vaccine, a decision I made shortly after she was born, after much research.”
Unfortunately, while realizing that unvaccinated children can develop autism does help some parents move away from anti-vaccine myths and conspiracy theories, others get pushed deeper into the idea that it is just about toxins. It is not uncommon for some of these parents to blame vaccines they got while pregnant or even before they became pregnant, Rhogam shots, or mercury fillings in their teeth, etc.
Not all, though. Juniper Russo “was afraid of autism, of chemicals, of pharmaceutical companies, of pills, of needles” when she had her baby. She just knew that vaccines caused autism when she first visited her pediatrician after her baby was born and knew all of the anti-vaccine talking points. She also later began to realize that her completely unvaccinated daughter had significant developmental delays. Instead of continuing to believe that vaccines cause autism, Ms. Russo understands some things about her daughter and that she “could no longer deny three things: she was developmentally different, she needed to be vaccinated, and vaccines had nothing to do with her differences.”

“OR ADMIT YOU LIED!”

The only Liar is You!”

Health, distraction tactics, diluting a discussion and focusing on gotchas and labels is not a mature or productive way to have a discussion.

Dooms and ProV are not going to go for anything that does not support their already made up hypothesis that vaccines are the primary cause to autism, regardless of the amount of research or the different large entities that reviewed this in a very transparent matter. This is their decision, I just hope they realize why the rest of us dont follow their cult-like position.

Dooms,

“2Cents – Are you going to admit you LIED when you said there is Data supporting that
100% Unvaccinated Children get Autism at the same rate as Vaccinated Children???”

Not sure why you are going for the labels and not sure why you say that I made any claims.

What I stated and presented just some of the many available data, that there it has been established that autism as other diseases are genetic, which explains why younger siblings of autistic children have a much greater chance of being diagnosed with autism than other children without older siblings that have been diagnosed.

You had made the claim that this incorrect and genetics are not the cause, your request for a source has been satisfied. There are many studies that have researched this and concluded the same, now you are asking if these children were 100% vaccinated or not, why would that matter, if vaccines were the primary cause for autism, as you have stated many times, then siblings and genetics would play little to no factor.

I completely understand why your sister would not settle that genetics were the cause of her child’s autism, but the data shows otherwise and does not take feelings or emotions into account.

If you have something of value to add, please do so, if all you can focus on is labeling individuals with CAPS and just going for some gotcha label, your really immature for this type of discussion.

Some Common Sense: “Personal stories are not logical fact based arguments. ”

I am not relying solely on personal stories.

1. There IS a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study that shows that children who are 100% Unvaccinated have a much lower rate of Autism (and ADHD, Allergies and Learning Disabilities).

2. Before CDC QUADRUPLED the Vaccine Schedule in 1990, Autism was very rare – around 1:10,000

3. There are dozens of studies showing a link between vaccines and autism by real PhD Scientists.
Google ebook 1200 studies vaccines and Dr. Millers Book 400 vaccine studies.

2scents -“Health, distraction tactics, diluting a discussion and focusing on gotchas and labels is not a mature or productive way to have a discussion.”

You’re right – when it comes to a normal argument. When after 32 pages of this nonsense, I & others get frustrated.

The bottom line is, even if there is some danger in getting Vaxxed (which I highly doubt), the benefit of people
to get vaccinations, far outweigh any possible adverse effects!

Other than yourself, there have been no claims that vaccines are linked to autism other than the MMR vaccine. Unless you believe that the anti vaxxers are part of the conspiracy that they are are just puppets of the pharmaceutical companies that are distracting everyone from realizing that it is the other vaccines that cause autism.

In the meantime, you can focus on degrading and labeling anyone that is not invested in your theories and ridiculous arguments.

Health: “A study published in the February 2014 issue of Autism found that “the rates of autism spectrum disorder diagnosis did not differ between immunized and nonimmunized younger sib groups.”

Health, the ProVax Website you copy and pasted from is LYING!!!
The study of February 2014 did NOT compare “immunized and nonimmunized”.
It compared siblings of Autistic Children who were FULLY Immunized vs Siblings who skipped or delayed ONE or more vaccines. NO WHERE does it say the siblings were 100% Unvaccinated!!!
Below is an Excerpt of the Study:

RESULTS:
A significant group difference emerged for overall immunization status (Fisher’s exact test = 62.70, p < .001). One or more immunizations in 59/98 younger sibs were delayed (47/98; 48%) or declined (12/98; 12.2%); immunizations were delayed in 16/98 probands (16.3%) and declined in only one. All controls were fully immunized, with only 6 (9.2%) delayed. Within the “younger sibs” group, 25/98 received an autism spectrum disorder diagnosis; 7 of whom (28%) were fully immunized. The rates of autism spectrum disorder diagnosis did not differ between immunized and nonimmunized younger sib groups, although small sample size limits interpretability of this result.

The TWO studies in the LYING Pro-Vax Website were comparing
VAXXED vs VAXXED not Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed!!!

Health, are you going to admit that your PRO VAX Website LIED when it claimed there are studies comparing Vaxxed to Unvaxxed???

ProVaxxers, Can you tell me:

What is the Autism Rate of Children who are 100% Unvaccinated?

Health:”The bottom line is, even if there is some danger in getting Vaxxed (which I highly doubt), the benefit of people to get vaccinations, far outweigh any possible adverse effects!”

Health, doesn’t it both you just a teeny tiny bit when I prove to you that Pro Vax Websites
LIE to the American People – saying there are studies comparing vaccinated to unvaccinated?
And the studies they cite are NOT vaxxed vs unvaxxed like the Pro Vax Websites Lied!!!

If the American Media is LYING to you about Vaccines – shouldn’t that concern you??????

2cents: Other than yourself, there have been no claims that vaccines are linked to autism other than the MMR vaccine.

WHAT A LIE!
You mean you never heard that Autism is linked to Mercury and Aluminum???
For the Record, MMR NEVER CONTAINED MERCURY (Thimerosal)!

I have posted about websites linking Vaccines to Autism – and most are NOT about MMR!

Folks, you see how ProVaxxers tell Lie after Lie?
How can you trust Vaccines, when the people who defend them have to resort to Lies?

Doomsday, why did you bring up preemies if you didn’t think it was relevant?

RedYid – I did not bring up preemies, you did.
Preemies is not that relevant because while it does increase the risk of Autism
IF the Preemies are Vaccinated – which the CDC insists there be no delayed Vaccination!

But most Autistic Children are NOT preemies. They were healthy full term babies who were
developing normally until they had a bad reaction after vaccination.

doomsday -“I never said unvaxxed NEVER get Autism – I said it is VERY RARE, about 1:10,000.”

Health: “Why would they get Autism – they weren’t Vaxxed?
Where do you get that number from – Prove it?!?”

I don’t know why they are autistic.
The number is from Psychology Today (A PRO-VAX Magazine)
“In 1970, only 1 child in 10,000 was diagnosed with autism. Today, according to the Centers for Disease Control, the number is 1 in 59.”

Dooms.

Doomsday: “Siblings of children with autism who are 100% UNVAXXED do NOT have autism!”
2Cents:”I have posted many sources of data that clearly demonstrate otherwise, ”

Unlike you, I have no problem stating that I was not referring to 100% unvaxxed, we have been down this route before, not sure why you are so into the gotcha aspect.

The focus has only been on the MMR, as that was the only vaccine for which an autism link was considered due to the fraudulent study from Wakefield.

If you argue that it is the other vaccines that are causing autism, you would have to prove that hypothesis.

At this point, genetics have been shown to be the primary factor.

Also, while these studies were focused on the MMR. The group that was unvaxxed (with the MMR, which was the focus) very likely had a significant percentage that withheld other vaccines, as apparently anti vaxxers are not just against the MMR vaccine. Yet that was not the focus of the studies.

Are you arguing that other vaccines and not MMR vaccine cause autism, only because the data shows that MMR does not cause autism, or there a different reason to that?

Thirty two pages. And still going strong. You really think you’re going to convince each other?

2Cents: “The focus has only been on the MMR, as that was the only vaccine for which an autism link was considered due to the fraudulent study from Wakefield. ”

You mean you NEVER heard that THIMEROSAL is linked to Autism?
And MMR NEVER Contained Thimerosal!
You NEVER Heard that ALUMINUM is linked to Autism? And nearly ALL Vaccines have Aluminum!
If you are really that ignorant, you should not be posting!

Here is MORE Proof 2Cents Lied when denying she was NOT referring to kids who are 100% Unvaxxed:

Doomsday:“Siblings of children with autism who are 100% UNVAXXED do NOT have autism!”

2Cents: If write it four times, and use exclamation points, some might take it as fact. If however you review the data, then what you wrote is incorrect.
I have posted many sources of data that clearly demonstrate otherwise

2Cents (after not being able to come up with ANY studies showing 100% Unvaccinated kids
have Autism): I was not referring to 100% unvaxxed

2Cents how can you DENY that you were NOT referring to kids who are 100% Unvaxxinated when you wrote that what I claimed (that kids who are 100% Unvaxxinated don’t have autism)
is INCORRECT!!!

Admit You LIED!

doomsday -“I don’t know why they are autistic.”

Well I know! Because Autism is Genetic!
Not because of Vaxxing.

“The number is from Psychology Today (A PRO-VAX Magazine)
“In 1970, only 1 child in 10,000 was diagnosed with autism. Today, according to the Centers for Disease Control, the number is 1 in 59.”

Ok; so what does this have to do with Today?
Maybe Autism in Unvaxxed Kids is 1 in 59?!?

Health: “Maybe Autism in Unvaxxed Kids is 1 in 59?!?”

No. Autism is VERY Rare in 100% Unvaxxed Kids. About 1:10,000.
It is the VAXXED kids that are 1:50 Autistic!

Doomsday -“No. Autism is VERY Rare in 100% Unvaxxed Kids. About 1:10,000.”

Says who? You? Maybe it’s 1:50?

“It is the VAXXED kids that are 1:50 Autistic!”

Well maybe the Unvaxxed Kids are also 1:50 Autistic?!?

Doomsday -“Genetics ALONE causes 1:10,000 to be Autistic”

Health: Says who? That was in 1970, not today!

Doomsday: “Vaccines + Genetics Cause 1:50 to be Autistic.”

Health: Says Who? You? Prove that.
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Because GENES /People do not change so dramatically in 50 years!
It is Scientifically IMPOSSIBLE for Autism to go from 1:10,000 in 1970 to 1:50 today
if Autism was Solely Genetics!
There HAS to be something in the ENVIRONMENT that is causing the Autism Epidemic

Lung Cancer used to be extremely rare – until SMOKING became widespread.
SMOKING caused the Lung Cancer Epidemic – although the Tobacco Industry LIED and DENIED
for DECADES – hiring SCIENTISTS to conduct FAKE STUDIES to deny the smoking-lung cancer link.

It was the Smoker vs NON smoker Study that PROVED that smoking causes lung cancer.
That is why the Pharmaceutical Company will NEVER do a Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed Study!

Provaxxers, What is the Autism Rate of children who are 100% Unvaxxed?

Are there any other differences between Amish people and the general population, other than the claim that the Amish don’t vaccinate?

Thirty two pages. And still going strong. You really think you’re going to convince each other?

I think both sides are writing to convince “people on the fence” who might be following the debate.

Provaxxers, what is the autism rate of children who are 100% unvaccinated?