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  • #1666110

    doomsday
    Participant

    Doomsday: “Siblings of children with autism who are 100% UNVAXXED do NOT have autism!”
    2Cents:”I have posted many sources of data that clearly demonstrate otherwise, ”

    2Cents let me see your “many sources of data” demonstrating children who are 100% unvaccinated
    with Autism!
    Your twin study did not include children who were 100% unvaccinated!
    Your MMR-Sibling study did not include children who were 100% unvaccinated!

    So either produce a study showing children who were 100% unvaccinated with Autism
    OR ADMIT YOU LIED!

    #1666130

    doomsday
    Participant

    2cents: “Here is another of many, JAMA Nov 2017
    “Abstract
    Importance Autism spectrum disorder (ASD) is known to be more prevalent among males than females in the general population.”

    Yes, boys are more susceptible to VACCINE INJURY then girls.
    You claimed there is much data about 100% UNVACCINATED Children having Autism.
    You have NOT supplied one study about 100% Unvaccinated children having Autism.

    2Cents – Are you going to admit you LIED when you said there is Data supporting that
    100% Unvaccinated Children get Autism at the same rate as Vaccinated Children???

    #1666157

    Health
    Participant

    doomsday -“So either produce a study showing children who were 100% unvaccinated with Autism
    OR ADMIT YOU LIED!”

    The only Liar is You!

    Just in case you think I’m 2scents or s/o else – I don’t post by any other SN.
    Like I posted many times – I am NOT talking to you, but to people sitting on the fence with regards to this issue.
    From VeryWell Health:
    “Both Vaccinated and Unvaccinated Children Can Have Autism
    And since vaccines don’t cause autism, it shouldn’t be surprising that there are unvaccinated children with autism. The only reason there aren’t more is that most parents vaccinate their children, so, of course, most autistic children are going to be vaccinated.
    Unvaccinated Children with Autism
    You may not hear about these children very often, but there are certainly unvaccinated children with autism. Several comparison studies have been made of autism rates between vaccinated and unvaccinated children and found no difference. One such study was from Japan where the MMR vaccine was withdrawn from the country due to concerns about aseptic meningitis. In the study, at least 170 children were found to have developed autism even though they had not received the MMR vaccine.
    But that’s just one vaccine, there are also many examples of completely unvaccinated children who have developed autism. A study published in the February 2014 issue of Autism found that “the rates of autism spectrum disorder diagnosis did not differ between immunized and nonimmunized younger sib groups.”
    Lara Lohne, although she was never vaccinated because her parents were anti-vaccine, had every intention of vaccinating her own child. She didn’t though, because of financial issues. And although he had never received any vaccines, her son developed autism:
    “I must admit that it was through conversations with a coworker that I began to suspect something might be wrong with my youngest son. It concerned me so much that I started looking for information online. I read some of the stories and they sounded similar to what I was experiencing with my son – with the symptoms, the regression and the age at which it all started to become apparent.”
    In a more common scenario, a parent might have a child with autism and decide to not vaccine their next child. These unvaccinated children are certainly not protected against vaccine-preventable diseases and they aren’t at any less risk for developing autism.
    There are many more stories like this. They include authors and contributors to anti-vaccine websites that have unvaccinated children with autism.
    More on Autism Among Unvaccinated Children
    You only have to look at personal stories and posts in parenting forums to see that there are many cases of autism among unvaccinated and partially vaccinated children:
    “It is highly likely my 4-year-old son is autistic. And he is completely 100 percent vaccine-free. And I am just at a total loss.”
    “I have unvaxxed kids on the spectrum, and my friend does as well.”
    “A good friend’s son is autistic. He is totally non-vaxxed.”
    “I seriously delayed vaccinating my son, so had very few vaxxes at the time he was diagnosed”
    “We have autism in our unvaxxed children”
    “I know two little boys who are both autistic, completely non-vaxxed”
    “I have two unvaccinated children who are on the autism spectrum and have never vaccinated any of my children.”
    “I am not sure what caused my son’s autism, but autistic he is. He is completely unvaxxed as we stopped vaxxing 10 years ago.”
    “I have a 10 year old daughter with autism spectrum disorder… My daughter has never had a vaccine, a decision I made shortly after she was born, after much research.”
    Unfortunately, while realizing that unvaccinated children can develop autism does help some parents move away from anti-vaccine myths and conspiracy theories, others get pushed deeper into the idea that it is just about toxins. It is not uncommon for some of these parents to blame vaccines they got while pregnant or even before they became pregnant, Rhogam shots, or mercury fillings in their teeth, etc.
    Not all, though. Juniper Russo “was afraid of autism, of chemicals, of pharmaceutical companies, of pills, of needles” when she had her baby. She just knew that vaccines caused autism when she first visited her pediatrician after her baby was born and knew all of the anti-vaccine talking points. She also later began to realize that her completely unvaccinated daughter had significant developmental delays. Instead of continuing to believe that vaccines cause autism, Ms. Russo understands some things about her daughter and that she “could no longer deny three things: she was developmentally different, she needed to be vaccinated, and vaccines had nothing to do with her differences.”

    #1666169

    Some Common Sense
    Participant

    Doomsday,
    How many times do you want to repeat the same information with the hope that others will accept it as fact?
    Why do you need to use strong personal insults when logical fact based arguments will be more effective? Degrading wording is degrading your words; the high road is always the better road.
    Personal stories are not logical fact based arguments.

    I do not think my children’s doctor is part of an entire medical conspiracy.

    The pears are really good; try some.

    #1666175

    2scents
    Participant

    “OR ADMIT YOU LIED!”

    The only Liar is You!”

    Health, distraction tactics, diluting a discussion and focusing on gotchas and labels is not a mature or productive way to have a discussion.

    Dooms and ProV are not going to go for anything that does not support their already made up hypothesis that vaccines are the primary cause to autism, regardless of the amount of research or the different large entities that reviewed this in a very transparent matter. This is their decision, I just hope they realize why the rest of us dont follow their cult-like position.

    #1666174

    2scents
    Participant

    “Prematurity IS a risk factor for Autism – especially because CDC insists that Premature babies be vaccinated!”

    Just wondering, with credentials of being a special ed therapist (possibly not even a credentialed therapist) with what authority are you making these statements?

    If you were to focus on data and present them, that would be acceptable, otherwise, you have no right making statement of such in a public forum.

    It is clear that your mind has been made up, before even looking at the facts, your sister’s emotions and her claim was enough to convince you, while you can decide on your own what to believe and what not to, you have no right making unsubstantiated statements in a public setting.

    #1666173

    2scents
    Participant

    Dooms,

    “2Cents – Are you going to admit you LIED when you said there is Data supporting that
    100% Unvaccinated Children get Autism at the same rate as Vaccinated Children???”

    Not sure why you are going for the labels and not sure why you say that I made any claims.

    What I stated and presented just some of the many available data, that there it has been established that autism as other diseases are genetic, which explains why younger siblings of autistic children have a much greater chance of being diagnosed with autism than other children without older siblings that have been diagnosed.

    You had made the claim that this incorrect and genetics are not the cause, your request for a source has been satisfied. There are many studies that have researched this and concluded the same, now you are asking if these children were 100% vaccinated or not, why would that matter, if vaccines were the primary cause for autism, as you have stated many times, then siblings and genetics would play little to no factor.

    I completely understand why your sister would not settle that genetics were the cause of her child’s autism, but the data shows otherwise and does not take feelings or emotions into account.

    If you have something of value to add, please do so, if all you can focus on is labeling individuals with CAPS and just going for some gotcha label, your really immature for this type of discussion.

    #1666202

    doomsday
    Participant

    2Cents: “Not sure why you are going for the labels and not sure why you say that I made any claims.
    What I stated and presented just some of the many available data, that there it has been established that autism as other diseases are genetic, which explains why younger siblings of autistic children have a much greater chance of being diagnosed with autism than other children without older siblings that have been diagnosed. ”

    2Cents why are you LYING and DENYING that you said there are data supporting that siblings of children with Autism who are 100% unvaccinated get Autism?

    BELOW IS A QUOTE FROM YOUR OWN WORDS!!!

    Doomsday: “Siblings of children with autism who are 100% UNVAXXED do NOT have autism!”
    2Cents:”I have posted many sources of data that clearly demonstrate otherwise, ”

    So 2Cents are you admitting there is NO “data” showing that siblings of autistic children who are 100% Unvaccinated have autism???
    NONE of the Studies you cited studied children who were 100% UNVACCINATED!!! NONE!

    #1666197

    doomsday
    Participant

    Some Common Sense: “Personal stories are not logical fact based arguments. ”

    I am not relying solely on personal stories.

    1. There IS a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study that shows that children who are 100% Unvaccinated have a much lower rate of Autism (and ADHD, Allergies and Learning Disabilities).

    2. Before CDC QUADRUPLED the Vaccine Schedule in 1990, Autism was very rare – around 1:10,000

    3. There are dozens of studies showing a link between vaccines and autism by real PhD Scientists.
    Google ebook 1200 studies vaccines and Dr. Millers Book 400 vaccine studies.

    #1666170

    doomsday
    Participant

    Health: ” Several comparison studies have been made of autism rates between vaccinated and unvaccinated children and found no difference. One such study was from Japan where the MMR vaccine was withdrawn from the country due to concerns about aseptic meningitis. In the study, at least 170 children were found to have developed autism even though they had not received the MMR vaccine.”

    1. The Japan study was not about autism in 100% unvaccinated children so stop lying and claiming
    that the Japan study was about unvaccinated children!

    2. Although the Fraudulent Researchers OMITTED in any summaries of the study that the MMR was REPLACED BY THREE SEPARATE Vaccines! The Fraudulent Researchers wanted people to think that when MMR was taken away, Autism Rate stayed the same to imply that MMR does not increase risk of Autism. But what was HIDDEN IN THE STUDY is that when the MMR was removed – it was REPLACED with THREE SEPARATE VACCINES for Measles, Mumps and Rubella. Here is a quote from the study:

    “The [MMR] program was terminated in April 1993. Subsequently, only MONOVELENT [single] vaccines were administered…measles and rubella vaccinations were each specified for children between 12 and 90 months…the mumps vaccination was voluntary..It was also stipulated that an interval of at least four weeks separate administration of vaccination.”

    Health, Are you going to admit you LIED for calling the Japan Study a comparison between
    vaccinated and unvaccinated children?
    It was a comparison between children who got the MMR and children who got THREE SEPARATE
    VACCINES for Measles, Mumps and Rubella! And the Autism was Rate was the same because it was
    a Vaccinated vs Vaccinated Study – Not a Vaccinated vs UnVaccinated study like you LIED!!!

    #1666213

    Health
    Participant

    2scents -“Health, distraction tactics, diluting a discussion and focusing on gotchas and labels is not a mature or productive way to have a discussion.”

    You’re right – when it comes to a normal argument. When after 32 pages of this nonsense, I & others get frustrated.

    The bottom line is, even if there is some danger in getting Vaxxed (which I highly doubt), the benefit of people
    to get vaccinations, far outweigh any possible adverse effects!

    #1666218

    Health
    Participant

    doomsday -“The Japan study was not about autism in 100% unvaccinated children so stop lying and claiming
    that the Japan study was about unvaccinated children!”

    Even if you’re right, you gotta read my whole post that Proves – Autism in 100% UNVAXXED KIDS!!!
    Stop with the Conspiracy Theories!

    #1666215

    2scents
    Participant

    Other than yourself, there have been no claims that vaccines are linked to autism other than the MMR vaccine. Unless you believe that the anti vaxxers are part of the conspiracy that they are are just puppets of the pharmaceutical companies that are distracting everyone from realizing that it is the other vaccines that cause autism.

    In the meantime, you can focus on degrading and labeling anyone that is not invested in your theories and ridiculous arguments.

    #1666214

    doomsday
    Participant

    2cents: ” if vaccines were the primary cause for autism, as you have stated many times, then siblings and genetics would play little to no factor. ”

    Does Genetics Cause Lung Cancer or Does Smoking Cause Lung Cancer? A: It is BOTH
    5% of Smokers develop Lung Cancer.
    Why don’t 100% of Smokers get Lung Cancer? GENETICS
    If people with a genetic weakness for Developing Lung Cancer DONT SMOKE will they get Lung Cancer?
    NO! They will Avoid Lung Cancer by NOT SMOKING

    Does Genetics Cause Autism or do Vaccines Cause Autism? A: It is BOTH
    2% of Vaccinated Children develop Autism.
    Why don’t 100% of Vaccinated Children develop Autism? GENETICS.
    But if Children with genetic weakness don’t get Vaccinated will they get Autism?
    NO! Autism is extremely rare in children who are 100% UNVACCINATED!

    And there IS a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study that shows this!
    And before CDC QUADRUPLED the Vaccine Schedule, Autism was VERY RARE
    1:10,000 Non-verbal Autism compared to 1:150 Non-Verbal Autism after CDC INCREASED Vaccinations!

    #1666233

    doomsday
    Participant

    Health: “A study published in the February 2014 issue of Autism found that “the rates of autism spectrum disorder diagnosis did not differ between immunized and nonimmunized younger sib groups.”

    Health, the ProVax Website you copy and pasted from is LYING!!!
    The study of February 2014 did NOT compare “immunized and nonimmunized”.
    It compared siblings of Autistic Children who were FULLY Immunized vs Siblings who skipped or delayed ONE or more vaccines. NO WHERE does it say the siblings were 100% Unvaccinated!!!
    Below is an Excerpt of the Study:

    RESULTS:
    A significant group difference emerged for overall immunization status (Fisher’s exact test = 62.70, p < .001). One or more immunizations in 59/98 younger sibs were delayed (47/98; 48%) or declined (12/98; 12.2%); immunizations were delayed in 16/98 probands (16.3%) and declined in only one. All controls were fully immunized, with only 6 (9.2%) delayed. Within the “younger sibs” group, 25/98 received an autism spectrum disorder diagnosis; 7 of whom (28%) were fully immunized. The rates of autism spectrum disorder diagnosis did not differ between immunized and nonimmunized younger sib groups, although small sample size limits interpretability of this result.

    The TWO studies in the LYING Pro-Vax Website were comparing
    VAXXED vs VAXXED not Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed!!!

    Health, are you going to admit that your PRO VAX Website LIED when it claimed there are studies comparing Vaxxed to Unvaxxed???

    #1666236

    doomsday
    Participant

    Health: “Even if you’re right, you gotta read my whole post that Proves – Autism in 100% UNVAXXED KIDS!!!”

    I never said unvaxxed NEVER get Autism – I said it is VERY RARE, about 1:10,000.

    #1666238

    doomsday
    Participant

    ProVaxxers, Can you tell me:

    What is the Autism Rate of Children who are 100% Unvaccinated?

    #1666241

    Meno
    Participant

    Practically, how would an unvaxxed kid ever get diagnosed with autism if they don’t believe in doctors?

    #1666245

    doomsday
    Participant

    Health:”The bottom line is, even if there is some danger in getting Vaxxed (which I highly doubt), the benefit of people to get vaccinations, far outweigh any possible adverse effects!”

    Health, doesn’t it both you just a teeny tiny bit when I prove to you that Pro Vax Websites
    LIE to the American People – saying there are studies comparing vaccinated to unvaccinated?
    And the studies they cite are NOT vaxxed vs unvaxxed like the Pro Vax Websites Lied!!!

    If the American Media is LYING to you about Vaccines – shouldn’t that concern you??????

    #1666252

    doomsday
    Participant

    Here is PROOF That 2Cents LIES:

    Doomsday: “Siblings of children with autism who are 100% UNVAXXED do NOT have autism!”
    2Cents:”I have posted many sources of data that clearly demonstrate otherwise, ”

    When I challenged 2Cents to produce “many sources of Data” showing 100% Unvaccinated Children getting autism – 2Cents could not produce even ONE!!!

    All 2Cents could say is that there are studies that siblings of autism are more likely to get autism.
    But in all those sibling studies the siblings were VACCINATED!!!

    Conclusion: 2Cents LIED – there are NO studies showing that children who are 100% Unvaccinated get Autism!

    I am NOT denying that Unvaccinated Children can get Autism – but it is EXTREMELY RARE!!!
    That is why CDC and Vaccine Industry will NEVER EVER do a Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed Study!!!

    #1666253

    doomsday
    Participant

    2cents: Other than yourself, there have been no claims that vaccines are linked to autism other than the MMR vaccine.

    WHAT A LIE!
    You mean you never heard that Autism is linked to Mercury and Aluminum???
    For the Record, MMR NEVER CONTAINED MERCURY (Thimerosal)!

    I have posted about websites linking Vaccines to Autism – and most are NOT about MMR!

    Folks, you see how ProVaxxers tell Lie after Lie?
    How can you trust Vaccines, when the people who defend them have to resort to Lies?

    #1666256

    doomsday
    Participant

    Folks, I have proven to you how ALL Vaccine Safety Studies ARE LYING! Here is another FAKE STUDY:

    RESULTS:
    A significant group difference emerged for overall immunization status (Fisher’s exact test = 62.70, p < .001). One or more immunizations in 59/98 younger sibs were delayed (47/98; 48%) or declined (12/98; 12.2%); immunizations were delayed in 16/98 probands (16.3%) and declined in only one. All controls were fully immunized, with only 6 (9.2%) delayed. Within the “younger sibs” group, 25/98 received an autism spectrum disorder diagnosis; 7 of whom (28%) were fully immunized. The rates of autism spectrum disorder diagnosis did not differ between immunized and nonimmunized younger sib groups, although small sample size limits interpretability of this result.

    On Line 2 it writes about ONE or more vaccines being delayed or declined.
    And the Last Line it writes:
    “The rates of autism spectrum disorder diagnosis did not differ between immunized and nonimmunized younger sib groups”

    The LAST Line is lying that there is no difference in autism rate between “immunized and non-immunized”
    But ALL THE CHILDREN WERE IMMUNIZED! ALL THE CHILDREN WERE IMMUNIZED!
    The Fraudulent Researchers are LYING and calling children who skipped or delayed ONE VACCINE
    “Non-Immunized”

    How can you trust Vaccines when ALL the Vaccine Safety Studies are FRAUDULENT?????

    #1666262

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Doomsday, why did you bring up preemies if you didn’t think it was relevant?

    #1666266

    Health
    Participant

    doomsday -“I never said unvaxxed NEVER get Autism – I said it is VERY RARE, about 1:10,000.”

    Why would they get Autism – they weren’t Vaxxed?
    Where do you get that number from – Prove it?!?

    #1666265

    doomsday
    Participant

    RedYid – I did not bring up preemies, you did.
    Preemies is not that relevant because while it does increase the risk of Autism
    IF the Preemies are Vaccinated – which the CDC insists there be no delayed Vaccination!

    But most Autistic Children are NOT preemies. They were healthy full term babies who were
    developing normally until they had a bad reaction after vaccination.

    #1666277

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    I didn’t mention preemies. Maybe you didn’t actually read my post.

    #1666280

    doomsday
    Participant

    doomsday -“I never said unvaxxed NEVER get Autism – I said it is VERY RARE, about 1:10,000.”

    Health: “Why would they get Autism – they weren’t Vaxxed?
    Where do you get that number from – Prove it?!?”

    I don’t know why they are autistic.
    The number is from Psychology Today (A PRO-VAX Magazine)
    “In 1970, only 1 child in 10,000 was diagnosed with autism. Today, according to the Centers for Disease Control, the number is 1 in 59.”

    #1666324

    2scents
    Participant

    “I have posted about websites linking Vaccines to Autism – and most are NOT about MMR!”

    None of your posts are really worthy of a response, creating facts and just writing fraud does not warrant a response. Any response or explanation will just result in a recycled response of derogatory name-calling.

    I have never understood why radical anti vaxxers are dismissed as silly people, if this is the way you have a discussion, mainly by just writing in CAPS fraud or liar and pondering to ‘folks’ that someone lied, there is no way that you unsubstantiated emotional arguments can be taken seriously.

    This line of your is very telling, you have a bunch of websites that have stated that vaccines are linked to autism? wow!

    #1666362

    2scents
    Participant

    Dooms.

    Doomsday: “Siblings of children with autism who are 100% UNVAXXED do NOT have autism!”
    2Cents:”I have posted many sources of data that clearly demonstrate otherwise, ”

    Unlike you, I have no problem stating that I was not referring to 100% unvaxxed, we have been down this route before, not sure why you are so into the gotcha aspect.

    The focus has only been on the MMR, as that was the only vaccine for which an autism link was considered due to the fraudulent study from Wakefield.

    If you argue that it is the other vaccines that are causing autism, you would have to prove that hypothesis.

    At this point, genetics have been shown to be the primary factor.

    Also, while these studies were focused on the MMR. The group that was unvaxxed (with the MMR, which was the focus) very likely had a significant percentage that withheld other vaccines, as apparently anti vaxxers are not just against the MMR vaccine. Yet that was not the focus of the studies.

    Are you arguing that other vaccines and not MMR vaccine cause autism, only because the data shows that MMR does not cause autism, or there a different reason to that?

    #1666428

    doomsday
    Participant

    Sorry. I meant I had mentioned websites that had STUDIES linking Vaccines to Autism (and other harm).
    I wrote this several times so I don’t know why you never heard that ALL Vaccines have been linked to Autism – Not just MMR.
    Google this to see the STUDIES – written by real PhD Scientists and Medical Doctors:
    1200 studies vaccine free ebook
    Dr. Millers 400 vaccine studies
    157 studies vaccines autism

    #1666472

    MRS PLONY
    Participant

    Thirty two pages. And still going strong. You really think you’re going to convince each other?

    #1666454

    doomsday
    Participant

    Doomsday: “Siblings of children with autism who are 100% UNVAXXED do NOT have autism!”
    2Cents:”I have posted many sources of data that clearly demonstrate otherwise, ”

    2Cents: Unlike you, I have no problem stating that I was not referring to 100% unvaxxed.

    LIAR!
    YES, YOU WERE Referring to children who 100% Unvaxxed.
    Because you were DISPUTING MY STATEMENT that children who are 100% Unvaxxed don’t have
    Autism (extremely rare).
    AND You claimed to have “MANY SOURCES OF DATA” to back up your Lie.

    But you could not come up with even ONE STUDY showing 100% Unvaccinated Children
    Autism.

    So you try to cover up your LIE with another LIE – that you were not referring to children
    who were 100% Unvaxxed – when You WERE referring to children who were 100% Unvaxxed!!!
    Because you disputing MY claim that 100% Unvaxxed Children don’t get Autism.

    SHAME ON YOU! You have ZERO Credibility.

    #1666455

    doomsday
    Participant

    2Cents: “The focus has only been on the MMR, as that was the only vaccine for which an autism link was considered due to the fraudulent study from Wakefield. ”

    You mean you NEVER heard that THIMEROSAL is linked to Autism?
    And MMR NEVER Contained Thimerosal!
    You NEVER Heard that ALUMINUM is linked to Autism? And nearly ALL Vaccines have Aluminum!
    If you are really that ignorant, you should not be posting!

    #1666456

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Disposable diapers and access to medical care have also been linked to autism. We’ve gone over the correlation-causation thing so many times.

    #1666459

    doomsday
    Participant

    Here is MORE Proof 2Cents Lied when denying she was NOT referring to kids who are 100% Unvaxxed:

    Doomsday:“Siblings of children with autism who are 100% UNVAXXED do NOT have autism!”

    2Cents: If write it four times, and use exclamation points, some might take it as fact. If however you review the data, then what you wrote is incorrect.
    I have posted many sources of data that clearly demonstrate otherwise

    2Cents (after not being able to come up with ANY studies showing 100% Unvaccinated kids
    have Autism): I was not referring to 100% unvaxxed

    2Cents how can you DENY that you were NOT referring to kids who are 100% Unvaxxinated when you wrote that what I claimed (that kids who are 100% Unvaxxinated don’t have autism)
    is INCORRECT!!!

    Admit You LIED!

    #1666465

    doomsday
    Participant

    2Cents “Are you arguing that other vaccines and not MMR vaccine cause autism, only because the data shows that MMR does not cause autism,”

    The DATA does NOT show that MMR does not cause Autism. The Vaccines Don’t Cause Autism Studies are ALL FRAUDS – and I PROVED they are Frauds. Here is ONE Example:

    2Cents: There was an increase, (become or make greater in size, amount, intensity, or degree.) in autism. In the same time, vaccines were not given at all, in this same period of time there was an increase in autism.
    Below is the exact quote. (of course, you omitted it, or maybe it was by error and unintentional)
    “RESULTS:
    The MMR vaccination rate in the city of Yokohama declined significantly in the birth cohorts of years 1988 through 1992, and not a single vaccination was administered in 1993 or thereafter. In contrast, cumulative incidence of ASD up to age seven increased significantly in the birth cohorts of years 1988 through 1996 and most notably rose dramatically beginning with the birth cohort of 1993.”

    The Study LIED when it said “NOT A SINGLE VACCINATION WAS ADMINSTERED in 1993 and thereafter”
    What the study meant was not a single MMR vaccination was administered.
    But omitting the word MMR was INTENTIONAL because ALL Fraudulent Studies denying the connection between Vaccines and Autism do the same thing! Like calling children who did not
    receive ONE vaccine “unvaccinated” when they WERE vaccinated. That is DELIBERATE FRAUD to
    MISLEAD the public that the study was vaxxed vs unvaxxed when it was vaxxed vs. vaxxed.

    More Fraud: In the summary of the study it says that Autism rate went UP after MMR was removed.
    But no where in the summary does it say that the MMR was REPLACED with THREE SEPARATE VACCINES. Here is a quote from the Body of the Study where this IMPORTANT fact was HIDDEN:

    “The [MMR] program was terminated in April 1993. Subsequently, only MONOVELENT [single] vaccines were administered…measles and rubella vaccinations were each specified for children between 12 and 90 months…the mumps vaccination was voluntary..It was also stipulated that an interval of at least four weeks separate administration of vaccination.”

    So the RESULTS of the study proclaim – AFTER MMR was stopped – Autism went up.
    What the RESULTS of the study OMITS – is that the MMR was replaced with THREE OTHER Vaccines – and THAT is why Autism went. So NO PROOF that MMR does not cause Autism. FAKE STUDY!

    2Cents – are you going to admit that the “MMR Doesn’t Cause Autism Study” YOU Cited is FRAUDULENT? “No effect of MMR withdrawal on the incidence of autism: a total population study”

    #1666469

    Health
    Participant

    doomsday -“I don’t know why they are autistic.”

    Well I know! Because Autism is Genetic!
    Not because of Vaxxing.

    “The number is from Psychology Today (A PRO-VAX Magazine)
    “In 1970, only 1 child in 10,000 was diagnosed with autism. Today, according to the Centers for Disease Control, the number is 1 in 59.”

    Ok; so what does this have to do with Today?
    Maybe Autism in Unvaxxed Kids is 1 in 59?!?

    #1666490

    doomsday
    Participant

    Ok Health.

    Genetics ALONE causes 1:10,000 to be Autistic

    Vaccines + Genetics Cause 1:50 to be Autistic.

    Right?

    #1666508

    doomsday
    Participant

    Health: “Maybe Autism in Unvaxxed Kids is 1 in 59?!?”

    No. Autism is VERY Rare in 100% Unvaxxed Kids. About 1:10,000.
    It is the VAXXED kids that are 1:50 Autistic!

    #1666509

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    If you don’t know what “prove” means, what “vaccinated” means, or what the current definition of autism is, why bother?

    #1666913

    Health
    Participant

    Doomsday -“No. Autism is VERY Rare in 100% Unvaxxed Kids. About 1:10,000.”

    Says who? You? Maybe it’s 1:50?

    “It is the VAXXED kids that are 1:50 Autistic!”

    Well maybe the Unvaxxed Kids are also 1:50 Autistic?!?

    #1666912

    Health
    Participant

    Doomsday -“Genetics ALONE causes 1:10,000 to be Autistic”

    Says who? That was in 1970, not today!

    “Vaccines + Genetics Cause 1:50 to be Autistic.”

    Says Who? You? Prove that.

    #1666926

    doomsday
    Participant

    Doomsday -“Genetics ALONE causes 1:10,000 to be Autistic”

    Health: Says who? That was in 1970, not today!

    Doomsday: “Vaccines + Genetics Cause 1:50 to be Autistic.”

    Health: Says Who? You? Prove that.
    _______________________________________________________________________________

    Because GENES /People do not change so dramatically in 50 years!
    It is Scientifically IMPOSSIBLE for Autism to go from 1:10,000 in 1970 to 1:50 today
    if Autism was Solely Genetics!
    There HAS to be something in the ENVIRONMENT that is causing the Autism Epidemic

    Lung Cancer used to be extremely rare – until SMOKING became widespread.
    SMOKING caused the Lung Cancer Epidemic – although the Tobacco Industry LIED and DENIED
    for DECADES – hiring SCIENTISTS to conduct FAKE STUDIES to deny the smoking-lung cancer link.

    It was the Smoker vs NON smoker Study that PROVED that smoking causes lung cancer.
    That is why the Pharmaceutical Company will NEVER do a Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed Study!

    Provaxxers, What is the Autism Rate of children who are 100% Unvaxxed?

    #1667020

    truthishidden
    Participant

    Homefirst’s medical director, the late Dr. Mayer Eisenstein, said in an interview a few years ago “… I don’t think we have a single case of autism in children delivered by us who never received vaccines.”

    Dr. Frank Noonan is a doctor who treats Amish children in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. He has said that he has seen no cases of autism in the thousands of Amish children he has treated over 25 years.

    Dr. Heng Wang is a neurologist and the director of the Clinic for Special Needs Children in Ohio, another area where there is a large Amish population. He has estimated the rate of autism in the Amish community to be 1 in 15,000.

    #1667055

    Meno
    Participant

    Are there any other differences between Amish people and the general population, other than the claim that the Amish don’t vaccinate?

    #1667059

    Meno
    Participant

    Thirty two pages. And still going strong. You really think you’re going to convince each other?

    No, I think we’re going to convince them. I don’t think they’re going to convince us.

    #1667153

    doomsday
    Participant

    Thirty two pages. And still going strong. You really think you’re going to convince each other?

    I think both sides are writing to convince “people on the fence” who might be following the debate.

    #1667152

    doomsday
    Participant

    Why Autism isn’t Primarily Genetic but must be Envirnomental:

    Here is a list of Genetic Retardation: Down Syndrome, Fragile X, Rett Syndrome, Williams Syndrome, Angelman Syndrome, Prader Willi Syndrome, Patau Syndrome, Edwards Syndrome, Cohen Syndrome

    ALL Genetic Retardation the children have ABNORMAL FACIAL FEATURES.
    Autism – NORMAL Face

    All Genetic Retardation can be diagnosed by a Gene Test:
    Autism – NOT. By Diagnosed by behavior. In 20 years of research, scientists can’t find specific gene

    ALL Genetic Retardation can be diagnosed at birth.
    Autism – NOT. Child at Birth 100% Normal

    ALL Genetic Retardation – developmentally delayed from birth:
    Autism – NOT. Develops Normally then REGRESSES after vaccination

    Genetic Retardation about 1:10,000 except for Down Syndrome 1:1,000
    Autism USED to be 1:10,000. Then CDC QUADRUPLED VACCINES and Autism is now 1:50

    The Rate for GENETIC Retardation has stayed the same. Has NOT gone from 1:10,000 to 1:50.
    Because it is IMPOSSIBLE for GENES to change so drastically in 50 years!
    But Autism HAS gone from 1:10,000 (genetic autism) to 1:50 (Vaccine Injured Autism)

    #1667176

    doomsday
    Participant

    Provaxxers, what is the autism rate of children who are 100% unvaccinated?

    #1667180

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Does it then follow that cystic fibrosis is not genetic since its sufferers have what you so eloquently refer to as a “normal face”?

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