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  • #1665677

    doomsday
    Participant

    2cents: “c. the NAM (formerly IOM) has accepted the evidence as conclusive and released a comprehensive report that there actually is evidence that there is no link between MMR and autism. (the NAM is an independent body comprised of doctors and scientists)”

    IOM – Institute of Medicine is NOT an INDEPENDENT body of doctors and scientists. IOM was CREATED BY CONGRESS in 1970! Although IOM LIES that it does not accept Federal Funding an investigation by Senator Coburns Office revealed that 55% of IOM’s Funding comes from FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!

    The other funds for the “Holy” Institute of Medicine comes from the Vaccine Industry, and the
    Bill and Melinda Gate Foundation which is dedicated to injecting the entire world with vaccines.

    So IOM is a front group for Government/Vaccine Industry and is NOT an “independent body of doctors and scientists”!

    And IOM was caught LYING that it does not accept Federal Funding so why should anyone believe IOM when it says Vaccines don’t cause Autism???

    #1665678

    doomsday
    Participant

    2cebts: “d. Regardless of any changes in the rate of vaccinations, autism has increased. ”

    LIE! the rate of Autism INCREASING DIRECTLY CORRELATES to the increase in Vaccine Schedule.

    #1665694

    doomsday
    Participant

    2cents: “a. Not sure why you recycle your old garbage, the Danish study actually supports the null hypothesis that MMR does not cause autism. ”

    There are a Few Danish Studies – ALL ARE FRAUDULENT!
    The one you are referring to is: A Population-Based Study of Measles, Mumps, and Rubella Vaccination and Autism”
    The Study says “”…,neither autistic disorder nor other autistic-spectrum disorders were associated with MMR vaccination.” but the DATA in the study shows the OPPOSITE – Children who got MMR had a HIGHER RATE of Autism then children who did NOT get the MMR!!!

    The researchers also fraudulently moved some autistic children who GOT the MMR into the group of children who did NOT get the MMR – but even with that Fraud the number of children with Autism was HIGHER in the MMR Group!

    You can read details of the FRAUD. Google: VACLIB dot org and Danish MMR Study!

    Folks, the Fake News – which gets 70% of its AD REVENUE from Pharmaceutical Company – does not read the entire study. They only read the CONCLUSION which states MMR does not increase autism rate. If the FAKE NEWS read the entire study they would see that the DATA shows the OPPOSITE – MMR DOES INCREASE Rate of Autism!!!

    #1665697

    doomsday
    Participant

    2cents: “despite the statements being released about him, [Dr. Zimmerman]”

    Why are calling a SWORN AFFIDAVIT BY Dr. Zimmerman, “statements released about him”?

    Folks, see how ProVaxxers Lie?

    #1665700

    doomsday
    Participant

    2Cents, you left out that Dr. Zimmerman said TWICE in his sworn affidavit that
    “VACCINES CAN CAUSE AUTISM”.

    Since you respect Dr. Zimmerman’s opinion, do you agree that Vaccines CAN cause Autism?

    #1665704

    doomsday
    Participant

    2Scents, you also left off that Dr. Zimmerman testified that he was Scheduled to testify in the
    Yates Hazlehurst Vaccine Injury Trial – but after he told DOJ Lawyers that Vaccines CAN cause Autism,
    DOJ Lawyers FIRED Dr. Zimmerman – but then USED Dr. Zimmerman to claim that Vaccines can NEVER cause autism when Dr. Zimmerman explicitly told DOJ Lawyers the exact OPPOSITE!

    You also left out that Dr. Zimmerman believes that YATES HAZLEHURST’s Autism
    WAS CAUSED BY VACCINES!!

    #1665708

    2scents
    Participant

    Dooms,

    If only you can respond with real substance, you probably think that responding with CAPS and excitement win some points here, maybe to some, but to those that care of facts and not about ridiculous conclusions it has no bearing.

    You claim that I was lying, yet this is a study done that studied the rise in autism despite a significant decrease in the MMR vaccines. (quickly run to one of your radical websites that will show you some ridiculous arguments that will show you that this study is one big LIE!)

    “No effect of MMR withdrawal on the incidence of autism: a total population study”

    “Methods: This study examined cumulative incidence of ASD up to age seven for children born from 1988 to 1996 in Kohoku Ward (population approximately 300,000), Yokohama, Japan. ASD cases included all cases of pervasive developmental disorders according to ICD‐10 guidelines.

    Results: The MMR vaccination rate in the city of Yokohama declined significantly in the birth cohorts of years 1988 through 1992, and not a single vaccination was administered in 1993 or thereafter. In contrast, cumulative incidence of ASD up to age seven increased significantly in the birth cohorts of years 1988 through 1996 and most notably rose dramatically beginning with the birth cohort of 1993.

    Conclusions: The significance of this finding is that MMR vaccination is most unlikely to be a main cause of ASD, that it cannot explain the rise over time in the incidence of ASD, and that withdrawal of MMR in countries where it is still being used cannot be expected to lead to a reduction in the incidence of ASD.”

    #1665712

    doomsday
    Participant

    2cents:” j. Dr. Zimmerman clarified that while he does believe that children should be vaccinated, children with mitochondrial dysfunction should be studied better.”

    So why do doctors COERCE parents to continue to vaccinate children who already had a SEVERE reaction to a previous vaccine?
    Why do doctors COERCE parents to vaccinate younger siblings of autistic children who are at increased risk of getting autism?

    #1665725

    2scents
    Participant

    JAMA

    “RESULTS:
    Essentially no correlation was observed between the secular trend of early childhood MMR immunization rates in California and the secular trend in numbers of children with autism enrolled in California’s regional service center system. For the 1980-1994 birth cohorts, a marked, sustained increase in autism case numbers was noted, from 44 cases per 100 000 live births in the 1980 cohort to 208 cases per 100 000 live births in the 1994 cohort (a 373% relative increase), but changes in early childhood MMR immunization coverage over the same time period were much smaller and of shorter duration. Immunization coverage by the age of 24 months increased from 72% to 82%, a relative increase of only 14%, over the same time period.

    CONCLUSIONS:
    These data do not suggest an association between MMR immunization among young children and an increase in autism occurrence.”

    #1665726

    doomsday
    Participant

    And the Government would NEVER DARE compare the autism rate of
    Vaxxed Children vs 100% UnVaxxed Children.

    Because that would show 1:50 Autistic vs 1:10,000 Autistic (nearly Zero)!

    #1665730

    doomsday
    Participant

    2Cents: ““No effect of MMR withdrawal on the incidence of autism: a total population study”

    In the study there was NO drop in Autism rate after Japan dropped the MMR Vaccine.
    But what 2cents does not tell you is that Japanese children were still Vaccinated for Measles, Mumps and Rubella in THREE SEPARATE VACCINES.

    So all the study “proves” is that giving Measles, Mumps and Rubella as THREE Vaccines causes just as much Autism as giving MMR (One Vaccine).

    Hey 2Cents, why won’t the government do a study comparing the Autism rate of
    Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed???

    Because the Government KNOWS that the Autism Rate of 100% Unvaxxed is nearly ZERO!!!

    #1665731

    2scents
    Participant

    Dooms,

    No one is lying here, Dr. Zimmerman released a written statement after the piece that was put together. I have already repeated it many times here, yet it seems that you like going for the ‘gotcha’ method instead of knowing the truth.

    Yes, he did state that he believes that the vaccine played a role in Yates regression, yet he also stated that vaccines should be given and is not the cause for autism.

    If you would stop right there, it would seem as if vaccines may cause autism, yet he clarified that this is not what he meant and the evidence clearly shows the opposite.

    The vaccine is no greater cause than any infection to this very specific subgroup that Dr. Zimmerman is referring to, so to say that vaccines cause autism is dishonest and not true. I completely understand why you so badly argue to the contrary, but facts are facts and they don’t care about your emotions.

    In fact, other individuals that have a similar level of authority actually believe that this subgroup is better off with the vaccine as the diseases that the vaccines prevent can cause greater harm to this subgroup.
    Dr. Zimmerman does not completely disagree with this notion, only stated that there should be more studies and research done to this specific subgroup (with mitochondrial dysfunction) as there is a risk of causing them to regress.

    It is interesting to see how on one hand you and others have made claims that the vaccine-preventable diseases are good for us, yet use the cases where individuals that were injured from the very mild immune response that the attenuated virus caused, as a reason not to vaccinate.

    You do realize that these very same experts that you use for your arguments agree that the actual full blown virus would for sure create harm to this subset of patients.

    Actually using your ridiculous train of arguments, one would actually be able to argue that measles or mumps causes autism, as the virus can cause regression in this very same subgroup of children.

    It will be some time before I have a chance to check this thread, yet I will predict that you Dooms will follow up with some argument that will be focused on labeling me as a liar and will do so in CAPS.

    #1665732

    doomsday
    Participant

    2cents:” Conclusions: The significance of this finding is that MMR vaccination is most unlikely to be a main cause of ASD”

    LIE! All the study proves is that giving MMR as three SEPARATE vaccines causes just as much Autism as giving MMR as ONE Vaccine.

    If you want to prove that MMR causes vaccines do a study comparing children who received
    ONLY the MMR vs Children who received ZERO Vaccines!
    But of Course the Government would NEVER do that study – because it would prove that
    MMR and ALL Vaccines raise the risk of Autism (and ADHD, Seizures, Allergies, IBS, Diabetes, Cancer, SIDS, Learning DIsabilities, Asthma….)

    #1665733

    2scents
    Participant

    Dooms,
    “The researchers also fraudulently moved some autistic children who GOT the MMR into the group of children who did NOT get the MMR – but even with that Fraud the number of children with Autism was HIGHER in the MMR Group!”

    Are you saying that they were not able to pull off their fraud? or that they just lied about the real numbers or they just are so bad with numbers that despite trying to lie they mistakenly placed the numbers in the wrong columns?

    So basically, you have a bunch of silly websites that are the core source of your ‘arguments’ and whatever they say you accept as truth, to the point that you can just respond with CAPS and label others as liars, it must be so because there is a website that you trust that makes the claim..

    #1665734

    doomsday
    Participant

    Folks, do you notice that 2cents omits that when the MMR was withdrawn it was replaced by
    THREE Separate vaccines for measles, mumps and rubella?
    2Cents is trying to make you think that JUST taking out MMR caused autism rate to increase when
    it was REPLACING MMR with Three SEPARATE Vaccines that caused Autism to Increase!

    #1665741

    2scents
    Participant

    Dooms,

    “Since you respect Dr. Zimmerman’s opinion, do you agree that Vaccines CAN cause Autism?”

    So your going for the gotcha, why would it matter what my opinion is, more than what your opinion is or that of your sister?

    You also have no clue if I agree or disagree with Dr Zimmerman, while you have announced that you are a special ed therapist (Probably not ABA certified as they strongly believe that autism is a genetic disorder using studies that include twins that clearly demonstrate that there is a mostly a genetic factor). I would prefer to rely on facts and data for my decisions especially those that are provided in a public forum.

    meanwhile, you and provaxx can rely on your Chavrusa and your sister to establish your opinions.

    #1665744

    2scents
    Participant

    Dooms,

    “And the Government would NEVER DARE compare the autism rate of
    Vaxxed Children vs 100% UnVaxxed Children.”

    Being that you have tremendous distrust in the government (unless they will conclude as you do, then you will say Congress even asked for a study..), why are you asking the government to initiate a study?

    Rather one of the ‘real PhDs’ that you keep on writing about should do so, if they need funds let them make a go fund me account.

    #1665755

    2scents
    Participant

    Dooms,
    “In the study there was NO drop in Autism rate after Japan dropped the MMR Vaccine.
    But what 2cents does not tell you is that Japanese children were still Vaccinated for Measles, Mumps and Rubella in THREE SEPARATE VACCINES.”

    I will not call you a liar, I honestly believe that you are not intentionally misstating the truth.

    There was an increase, (become or make greater in size, amount, intensity, or degree.) in autism.

    In the same time, vaccines were not given at all, in this same period of time there was an increase in autism.

    Below is the exact quote. (of course, you omitted it, or maybe it was by error and unintentional)
    “RESULTS:
    The MMR vaccination rate in the city of Yokohama declined significantly in the birth cohorts of years 1988 through 1992, and not a single vaccination was administered in 1993 or thereafter. In contrast, cumulative incidence of ASD up to age seven increased significantly in the birth cohorts of years 1988 through 1996 and most notably rose dramatically beginning with the birth cohort of 1993.”

    Regarding the government doing a study, what does this have to do with this right now, you seem to just mix in other arguments that are not associated with the discussion at hand, is that a distraction tactic?

    #1665756

    Provax
    Participant

    well nobody else died from the current so called outbreak of measles besides that child that the parents neglected, and Icant harm my child because it might keep someone else from getting the measles , ( which BTW is a total myth)

    #1665764

    Provax
    Participant

    Well Congress asked for a study, and that’s where it ended!
    And can you explain to me why you can’t sue the vaccine companies ??!

    #1665768

    doomsday
    Participant

    2cents: “For the 1980-1994 birth cohorts, a marked, sustained increase in autism case numbers was noted, from 44 cases per 100 000 live births in the 1980 cohort to 208 cases per 100 000 live births in the 1994 cohort (a 373% relative increase), but changes in early childhood MMR immunization coverage over the same time period were much smaller”

    The study is called Time trends in autism and in MMR immunization coverage in California.
    The study claims that there since there was only a SMALL increase in MMR Vaccination rate but a
    LARGE increase in Autism Diagnosis – that this is “proof” that MMR doesn’t cause Autism!

    You ProVaxxers are the ones who say the definition of Autism keeps EXPANDING!
    That is why there INCREASE in Autism Diagnosis was Larger then the increase in MMR Vaccines!

    2Cents – EVERY Study that you cite claiming to prove there is NO link to between Vaccines & Autism
    has been SHOWN to be FALSE!
    When are you going to admit that ALL these studies are FRAUDULENT???

    #1665774

    doomsday
    Participant

    You can’t sue vaccine companies because in 1986, Pharmaceutical Companies threatened Congress that unless they get immunity from Lawsuits they will stop making vaccines.

    The fact that vaccine makers were Losing in Court for causing Vaccine Injuries should have made
    Congress be more cautious before just issuing a blanket immunity. But Congress gets MILLIONS from
    Pharmaceutical Company so Pharmaceutical Company got their Immunity.

    Right after getting immunity, Pharmaceutical gave MILLIONS to CDC (why is that legal????) and
    CDC QUADRUPLED the Vaccine Schedule! And Autism went from 1:10,000 to 1:50 and we have
    the Sickest Children in History.

    Not only does Pharmaceutical Co make Billions on Vaccines, they make TRILLIONS on selling
    Meds to all the SICK CHILDREN their Vaccines created!

    #1665788

    Provax
    Participant

    Doomsday I know tha, I just wanna see what 2cents answers to that, so far nobody that’s pro vaxx was able to answer it . The just say that theirs no such law . Then I put in 1986 vaccine law in Google. And they get a mouth full of water.

    #1665790

    doomsday
    Participant

    2Cents: Dr. Zimmerman released a written statement after the piece that was put together.

    Again, why are you calling it a “piece that was put together” instead of the TRUTH:
    A SWORN AFFIDAVIT BY DR. ZIMMERMAN???

    2Cents: yet he also stated that vaccines should be given and is not the cause for autism.

    LIE! I read the statement by Dr. Zimmerman (it is on Snopes website) and he repeats that
    Vaccines CAN CAUSE AUTISM. STOP LYING, 2 Cents!

    #1665795

    doomsday
    Participant

    2cents:” Probably not ABA certified as they strongly believe that autism is a genetic disorder using studies that include twins that clearly demonstrate that there is a mostly a genetic factor)”

    Not an ABA therapist but I know many ABA therapists who believe that vaccines cause autism because that is what so many parents of their students told them. Some of these ABA therapists DELAYED vaccines for their own children because they take very seriously the reports of so many eye-witnesses to vaccine injury!

    Yes there is a GENETIC Component to autism – just like there is a genetic component to Lung Cancer!
    Only 5% of smokers get lung cancer (genetic component) but if they hadn’t smoked they would not have gotten lung cancer.
    Autism rate went from 1:10,000 (1970) to 1:50 (today) after CDC quadrupled the vaccine schedule. So this excessive vaccination – especially given to newborns and pregnant women – is causing those with genetic disposition to develop autism.

    Siblings of children with autism who are 100% UNVAXXED do NOT have autism!

    #1665804

    Logicyid
    Participant

    Let’s play Jeopardy
    Answer: “31 pages of anger.”
    Question: “What happens when one worships the idol of science?”

    #1665812

    2scents
    Participant

    Provax,

    “well nobody else died from the current so called outbreak of measles besides that child that the parents neglected, and Icant harm my child because it might keep someone else from getting the measles , ( which BTW is a total myth)”

    Why are you calling this a ‘so called’ outbreak, are you implying that this is not an outbreak, how often does this occur in our community?

    Being that you seem to dismiss the severity of the measles virus, I am sure that you have an exact number of how many children were taken to the hospital, how many of those were admitted for observation and how many to the ICU. Otherwise, I do not think that you would have the audacity to dismiss this in a public forum.

    Oh.. its all a myth, I am sure that your chavrusa told you that he knows first hand that all of this is a myth, now go tell that to the parents of the children that bought into some radical hotline or publication written by ignoramuses and are now with their children in the hospital, I guess they are taking one for the greater cause.

    #1665814

    2scents
    Participant

    Provax,

    “Well Congress asked for a study, and that’s where it ended!”

    You seem like an arrogant and ignorant individual, so maybe enlighten us to what went down, Congress voted for a study, then what happened? The entity that was tasked with the study defied congress?

    How did they get away with it and why is everyone quiet about it?

    #1665817

    2scents
    Participant

    Provax,

    “Doomsday I know tha, I just wanna see what 2cents answers to that, so far nobody that’s pro vaxx was able to answer it . The just say that theirs no such law . Then I put in 1986 vaccine law in Google. And they get a mouth full of water.”

    So its just you and a handful of people that are aware of this?

    You obviously have not read the many posts, this has been brought up by Dooms many times, obviously, she is not interested in the truth and claims that this is all part of some wild conspiracy.

    You know what, if this is what you want to believe, no one is going to stop you, yet dont think for a moment that the rest of the world will follow along, you dont need google to find out this information, it is all public information and instead of having a court and a lawyer decide the fate of public health, the right institutions have been tasked with this.

    So now we have massive institutions, independent of each other, with significant resources that work transparently to establish the safety of vaccines as well as continuously monitor the safety and efficacy of the vaccines.

    You obviously know very little if these are your arguments or reasons for questioning the system.

    You are in the no, not in the know.

    Besides, it seems like you have faith in Congress as you used it in an argument for the so alleged nonexisting request that you claim congress requested, yet now you use Congress as an argument against vaccines.

    If you are anything like Dooms, you will manage to squash together a bunch of arguments, and as one is being explained you will just jump to something else and continue this loop to the point of absurdity.

    #1665819

    DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    “As a pediatric neurologist and member of the American Medical Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the Child Neurology Society, the American Academy of Neurology and the American Neurological Association, I strongly support the importance of vaccines for all children. I have spoken with many parents of children with ASD over the years who feel strongly that their children developed ASD due to vaccines and I have vigorously defended the importance of vaccines as the best way to prevent many serious diseases”

    Dr. A. Zimmerman

    #1665827

    2scents
    Participant

    “Again, why are you calling it a “piece that was put together” instead of the TRUTH:”

    Who cares how I called it, I was referring to the ‘news’ piece that you posted here, it was not news, despite you calling it like that.

    I urge you to check snopes for most of your other claims, will shed some light on some stuff.

    Yet you clearly have not read the content of what I have written (Dr Zimmermans words), you are just hooked up on if what he wrote can pass for ‘vaccines cause autism’ or not. It is the content that matters.

    School busses kill children. Is dishonest and not the truth. Yet has no child ever died from a school bus? of course yes. Now once again, it is Dr. ZImmermans opinion that certain children (provax would not care for these children, as they are not regular children) might regress when exposed to a virus or infection.

    If that passes for you as ‘vaccines can cause autism’, that’s fine, yet it does not change any facts regardless of which way you play this.

    #1665842

    2scents
    Participant

    So snopes is an acceptable source?

    From Snopes:

    “Claim: Zimmerman’s knowledge about a potential circumstance in which a vaccine could theoretically affect ASD was hidden from the public until he came forward in 2018: FALSE

    In her report, Attkisson states that “Dr. Zimmerman … privately told government lawyers that vaccines can, and did cause autism in some children. That turnabout … stood to change everything about the vaccine-autism debate. If the public were to find out.” In point of fact, the theory that vaccination could potentially be a stressor leading to autism in children with a specific form of mitochondrial dysfunction was explicitly stated in Zimmerman’s 2006 case report. That topic has been studied in the public forum for over a decade now. The existence of an alleged mitochondrial disorder-autism link, which remains murky to this day, is not news now, and it would not have been news during the time the omnibus cases were deliberated.

    Additionally, following the omnibus cases, Zimmerman has served as an expert witness in autism cases for petitioners to the vaccine court in cases in which his mitochondrial dysfunction mechanism has been argued, and his statements are easily found in filings made public by the federal government. In a case heard by the vaccine court in 2012, for example, the petitioners argued that a pre-existing mitochondrial dysfunction caused their child to develop autism symptoms after vaccination. They used Dr. Zimmerman, who had treated the patient years later, as one of their expert witnesses, and his testimony is described in detail in the court filing. In that case, the special master characterized Zimmerman’s views as anecdotal in rejecting the petitioner’s claim:”

    Whether vaccination can [can cause decompensation or regression in children with inborn errors of metabolism], even in these most vulnerable children, has not been established… The most glaring problem, however, is that no evidence adduced in this case, other than the anecdotally based opinions of Dr. Zimmerman, demonstrates that the decompensation or regression induced by illness in children with metabolic or mitochondrial disorders looks like, mimics, or actually results in ASD.

    These views have been in the public record for years. The only reason Zimmerman’s testimony is in the news again is that he was compelled to write an affidavit about the 2007 incident by someone with a desire to re-introduce an old controversy back into the news cycle.

    The Bottom Line
    Zimmerman, a scientist with serious credentials who was once a government expert on vaccines, believes that narrow circumstances might exist in which the combination of pre-existing mitochondrial dysfunction and vaccination could trigger ASD. This view is not held by many scientists, and from a scientific-evidence standpoint it remains speculative. The 2018 deposition given by Zimmerman regarding the 2007 sequence of events during omnibus proceedings was compelled by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., an anti-vaccine activist with a dubious commitment to scientific accuracy, and Rolf Hazlehurst, a litigant in one of the omnibus cases.

    Finally, it bears mentioning that Dr. Zimmerman supports vaccination. “As a pediatric neurologist and member of the American Medical Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the Child Neurology Society, the American Academy of Neurology and the American Neurological Association, I strongly support the importance of vaccines for all children,” he wrote in his statement:

    #1665844

    2scents
    Participant

    Dooms,

    “Siblings of children with autism who are 100% UNVAXXED do NOT have autism!”

    If write it four times, and use exclamation points, some might take it as fact. If however you review the data, then what you wrote is incorrect.

    I have posted many sources of data that clearly demonstrate otherwise, but who cares about data, its not written by ‘real PhDs’.

    #1665847

    2scents
    Participant

    “What happens when one worships the idol of science?”

    Most of it is recycled stuff, there is nothing new, most posts are silly back and forths, with a few posters labeling others using CAPS.

    There is no worshipping here unless you’re referring to worshipping a cult-like belief about a wild conspiracy, otherwise, this is a public health issue for which we have real data to guide us.

    #1665856

    doomsday
    Participant

    Doomsday: “Siblings of children with autism who are 100% UNVAXXED do NOT have autism!”

    2cents: “I have posted many sources of data that clearly demonstrate otherwise,

    Really? Name ONE source showing siblings of autistic children who are 100% vaccinated have autism.

    (and 100% unvaccinated does NOT mean got All Vaccines except MMR)

    #1665855

    2scents
    Participant

    Dooms,

    “Autism rate went from 1:10,000 (1970) to 1:50 (today) after CDC quadrupled the vaccine schedule.”

    You have repeatedly made this claim, it has been answered many times. You do not get extra points for just repeating it.

    Yes there has been an increase in children that were diagnosed with ASD, yet there are many things that can explain or be blamed for this, vaccines have been studied more than anything else, thanks to the claims that have been made, despite being shown to be fraudulent data, the supposed link between vaccines and autism has been extensively studied, more than anything else in medicine. millions of children, many different studies by different entities, the conclusion, the link does not exist.

    By you blaming the parents of the children you work with, you are not doing anyone a favor and you are making them feel bad for something that is not even true.

    #1665859

    doomsday
    Participant

    2cents; quoting from “No effect of MMR withdrawal on the incidence of autism: a total population study”
    “RESULTS:
    The MMR vaccination rate in the city of Yokohama declined significantly in the birth cohorts of years 1988 through 1992, and not a single vaccination was administered in 1993 or thereafter. In contrast, cumulative incidence of ASD up to age seven increased significantly in the birth cohorts of years 1988 through 1996 and most notably rose dramatically beginning with the birth cohort of 1993.”

    2 cents: “In the same time, vaccines were not given at all, in this same period of time there was an increase in autism.”

    WRONG! Read the WHOLE Study the MMR WAS REPLACED BY THREE SEPARATE VACCINES!
    The FRAUDULENT Researchers deliberately wrote a LIE:
    ” and not a single vaccination was administered in 1993 or thereafter”

    When what they meant was Not a single vaccine OF MMR was administered in 1993 or thereafter!
    Fraudulent Researchers ALWAYS use these lies – like calling children who did not receive ONE VACCINE “Unvaccinated” when they ARE VACCINATED!

    2cents – are you going to admit that the researchers LIED when they wrote that
    “not a single vaccination was administered”?

    #1665861

    doomsday
    Participant

    2cents: “many different studies by different entities, the conclusion, the link [autism-vaccines] does not exist. ”

    2cents EVERY SINGLE STUDY you have cited claiming to prove no-link between vaccines and autism
    I have PROVEN were Fraudulent.
    You did not REFUTE any of the Fraud I clearly explained!
    How about you REFUTE the Proven Fraud of these studies – IF YOU CAN!

    #1665870

    Provax
    Participant

    2cents , just to clear something up my Chavrusa gives vaccines, and where I live their was a total of 38 cases with most of them being vaccinated. That is not a outbreak my dear. Check the dictionary or even your beloved CDC!

    And you can whine and act arrogant as much as you want. But with all of your fake stats and rhetoric you can’t give a simple answer to explain and defend the “1986 vaccine INJURY law”!! And why it went from 11 vaccines then to over 70 now after that law.

    #1665875

    2scents
    Participant

    Prov,

    Define fake stats vs real stats?

    Source or authority that made the claim that mosts cases (assume you are referring to the measles) were vaccinated children.

    Explain what about the law needs explaining or defending.

    Remember, arguments are either based on logic or fact, if you arguements are based on facts, you will need to establish these facts. Otherwise your arguments cannot be taken serious.

    And please stop about your chavrusa, it has no validity and carries no weight in this discussion. This not skme mikva shmooze.

    #1665876

    doomsday
    Participant

    2Cents, I am still waiting for you to show me ONE study where siblings of autistic children who were
    100% Unvaccinated got Autism.
    You claimed that there were “many sources of data” stating this. NAME ONE!

    #1665883

    2scents
    Participant

    “And you can whine and act arrogant as much as you want. ”

    If by arrogant you mean well versed and respectful discussion, thats fine.

    If you mean name calling, labeling individuals with CAPS and relying on non reliable sources while making accusations that are baseless and repeating claims that have been proven to be incorrect while in the same time jeopardizing public health. I would assume your referring to Dooms.

    #1665880

    2scents
    Participant

    ProV,

    You stated that Congress requested a study.

    Yet I asked you what happened to the request you claim was made.

    Being that you claim to know a thing, (you wrote something about “ And they get a mouth full of water“) please dont move on before backing up your claims.

    The distraction tactic might work, you can ignore the need for sources to your claim, just dump more nonsense and dilute the discussion.

    Unless your like Dooms, makes up facts (or just takes them from radical websites) the. Writes in CAPS lie or fraud, for some reason believes that this is something that deserves or requires a response.

    Hey, i said your lying and that they lied about the data, prove to me that they didnt lie..

    #1665901

    MRS PLONY
    Participant

    Thirty one pages. Is this a new CR record?

    #1665932

    2scents
    Participant

    Dooms,

    Yes there a re a number of such studies, here is just one of many.
    (I’ll check with my chavrusa or my sister what they feel about this later)

    JAMA Psychiatry. 2015;72(5):415-423. doi:10.1001/jamapsychiatry.2014.3028
    “Conclusions
    The present study combines the strengths of previous studies and provides a more complete picture than any of them individually by being nationally representative and incorporating dimensional and categorical measures using a systematic repeated screening method. We conclude that liability to ASD and a more broadly defined high-level autism trait phenotype in UK twins 8 years or older derives from substantial genetic and moderate nonshared environmental influences. Genetic influences on diagnosed ASD are shared with those on autistic traits in the general population.“

    #1665954

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Doomsday, increasing autism rates are a natural result of better neonatal care because more babies survive. Are you against more babies surviving?

    #1665971

    2scents
    Participant

    Here is another of many,

    JAMA Nov 2017

    “Abstract
    Importance Autism spectrum disorder (ASD) is known to be more prevalent among males than females in the general population. Although overall risk of recurrence of ASD among siblings has been estimated to be between 6.1% and 24.7%, information on sex-specific recurrence patterns is lacking.”

    Since you are a special ed therapist (not sure if credentialed or not), you probably know that ASD is many times more prevalent in males than in females. This clearly is in line with the established conclusion that there is no link between vaccines and autism as it is primarily a genetic disorder.

    #1666055

    Health
    Participant

    MRS PLONY -“Thirty one pages. Is this a new CR record?”

    The only record here is that YWN is giving a voice to conspiracy theories!
    I wonder why Anti-vaxx is tolerated in Frum communties?
    We pride ourselves in keeping the Torah, but the Anti-vaxx movement has made significant inroads in the Frum communties.

    #1666096

    doomsday
    Participant

    2cents, in your twin study on autism – are any of the autistic children 100% Unvaccinated?

    #1666098

    doomsday
    Participant

    RebYid: “Doomsday, increasing autism rates are a natural result of better neonatal care because more babies survive.”

    Prematurity IS a risk factor for Autism – especially because CDC insists that Premature babies be vaccinated!
    But most autistic children were NOT premature – but healthy babies who had NO DELAYS until after
    they had a bad reaction to vaccines.
    Autism is Very Very Very RARE among 100% unvaccinated children.

    Nice try – but No – vaccines are the main cause of Autism.

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