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  • #598890

    i love coffe
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    I was just reading one of the threads about chewing gum and if its tznius or not. It also says something about sunglasses! Thats untnius too? Im a person who generally likes to keep myself tznius and if there is some question about something I wouldn’t do it. It’s just a sensitivity that I always had. But sunglasses (and chewing gum, but thats another thread)?!

    I once went to a certain neighborhood to go for an interview and the person who drove me there told me to make sure I’m not wearing my sunglasses. I thought it strange that this person was offering me this kind of advice but probably just meant well and didnt want me to wear my sunglasses on my head by accident as so many people do and give the wrong impresion. As I come to think about it, I just realized that no one in this neighborhood was wearing sunglasses outside in the bright sun. I mean, who doesnt? Aren’t they there to protect your eyes from the sun?

    Can someone give me some insight on to this untznius sunglasses buisness?

    #802598

    Hacham
    Member

    I don’t know how it fits in the tznius aspect, but wearing sunglasses does draw attention to oneself. Whether on the face or on the head.

    #802599

    Sam2
    Participant

    Being blind also draws attention to oneself. I would think that someone is safer with sunglasses, especially if they have vision problems. Maybe not the big, fashionable ones if your community doesn’t like that but would anyone have a problem with normal-sized glasses with tinted lenses or photo-grade lenses?

    #802600

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    This is retarded.

    #802601

    mommamia22
    Participant

    Being pretty also draws attention. I think there’s a limit to what we can ask of people. No sunglasses is absurd to me.

    #802602

    Abe Cohen
    Participant

    Like Sam said, I think the big ones worn for fashion (rather than medical) are the big problem.

    #802603

    i love coffe
    Participant

    I try to use my sunglasses as often as possible (since my eyes are really delicate). Didn’t know I was causing so much attention to myself.

    #802604

    Sam2
    Participant

    I have an older female relative who was walking through a certain neighborhood (I won’t say where). She has serious eye issues and needs big sunglasses that completely block all sunlight from her eyes. She was not-so-kindly asked to take them off in public. She is a bit bitter about this story, and always asks if they would do the same for Rav Ovadia and his sunglasses.

    #802605

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Women are allowed to wear things for fashion.

    #802606

    TheGoq
    Participant

    I dont see how it is a tznius issue in fact it covers your eyes , arent things that cover usually considered more tznius?

    #802607

    Abe Cohen
    Participant

    I’ve wondered why sunglasses seem a lot more prevelant amongst women than men in our community. I think it’s fashion, not medical need.

    #802608

    Josh31
    Participant

    They need to preserve their vision so they can take care of their husbands in old age.

    #802609

    i love coffe
    Participant

    Definatly women shouldn’t wear the big ones that make you look like a bug, where I can see that would cause attention to oneself. Here I would think its for the fashion, but do certain comunities ban all sunglasses?

    #802610

    settime
    Member

    Sunglasses are more Tznius, I wear them because by wearing them you don’t see people on the street as well. Also, for women you would think large sunglasses are much more modest because it covers their face.

    #802611

    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    PBA,

    jealous someone else is starting a motzei shabbos thread during the week?

    #802612

    QuestionForYou
    Participant

    I don’t understand.

    If someone is wearing sunglasses to protect his or her eyes from the sun,

    why would they be considered non-Tznius-dik?

    #802613

    bein_hasdorim
    Participant

    Totally insane!

    Unless you’re talking about those ppl who wear sunglasses indoors

    or in the winter.(not for medical reasons)… see above.

    I hear that sneezing in public, especially if you are blessed with a hearty sneeze is a big no no as far as Tznius, Its draws major attention as does screaming for help while being mugged.

    Yup! Totally Assur for a jewish woman to shout help or chaptzem,

    while bein mugged or in danger.

    Studies have shown that shouting in public draws attention to oneself, almost as much as wearing sunglasses.

    #802614

    mommamia22
    Participant

    Sunglasses are like l’vush hagoyim. It’s not something that has typically been worn by Jews. Be that as it may, squinting due to harsh rays of the sun is not healthy for one’s vision. I cannot imagine that rabbonim would say “better to compromise your vision than to wear glasses with dark lenses”. That just sounds ridiculous.

    #802615

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Sunglasses are like l’vush hagoyim. It’s not something that has typically been worn by Jews.

    Did you make that up?

    #802616

    WIY
    Member

    Popa

    “Sunglasses are like l’vush hagoyim. It’s not something that has typically been worn by Jews.”

    While sunglasses are no issue if they are.being worn for health reasons, the fancy shmancy designer glasses (the big ones like Channel Gucci D&G) that are very in these days are worn purely for fashion and can sometimes be a bit of a statement. Personally I used to wear sunglasses and I can attest that I felt different while wearing them. I also asked a girl I dated and she admitted she feels (not child appropriate 4 letter word beginning with s) when wearing sunglasses. Sunglasses is not just about eye health or fashion. There are other things at play and it is very clear from how they are marketed and from movies that its part of an attitude and a statement and not just “tinted eye protectors.”

    #802617

    mommamia22
    Participant

    I don’t understand why you think it’s made up. Look around. The “fashion” of sunglasses did not start in the Jewish community.

    #802618

    charliehall
    Participant

    “It also says something about sunglasses! Thats untnius too? “

    No. They were created to protect eyes from light damage. And the bigger the lens, the better, at least from the standard of protection. There might actually be a chiyuv to wear them.

    I constantly wear sunglasses when outdoors in the sun — prescription trifocals.

    #802619

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    I don’t understand why you think it’s made up. Look around. The “fashion” of sunglasses did not start in the Jewish community.

    I asked if you made it up. Meaning, did you make that observation, and then further decide yourself that it makes it bad?

    #802620

    I hate sunglasses poised on top of a woman’s head, or shall we say her sheital! IT looks ridiculous. C’mon just be a Yid, why do you have to try to style your look after the goyisher velt?

    I saw a lady working in a boutique the other day, and she was wearing her sunglasses in the shop , ontop of her sheital. Like believe me, it was not too sunny in this little children’s store!

    Silly.

    However, I do like the look of sunglasses. Even to look cool. Even though I know we’re not suppose to.

    #802621

    bein_hasdorim
    Participant

    WIY; said, “I used to wear sunglasses and I can attest that I felt different while wearing them”

    Really? Different how? did you feel relieved that you can walk in the steet without having to bump into people, or was it easier to hold your bags wile not having to raise one hand to shield your eyes from the sun.

    or did you feel Goyish!

    Cause sometimes I feel Goyish for wearing a raincoat! I mean a goy

    invented it, it’s not really a Yiddishe Malbush.

    I especially feel goyish eating a slice of Pizza, Totally Goyishe.

    PIZZA It sounds like Pritzus.

    #802622

    Josh31
    Participant

    WIY wears sunglasses so he does not have to see the gum chewers.

    mooooooooo

    #802623

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    I have a recurring eye infection. When it acts up, I wear sunglasses. I do this not because it’s necessary for my vision, but because I want to spare others the site of my eye when it looks really bad.

    If that makes me “goyish,” then so be it.

    The Wolf

    #802624

    mommamia22
    Participant

    It is my PERCEPTION that sunglasses began in the goyishe community and we adopted the use of them as well. It is also my understanding that the chasiddishe levush used to be the levush of the polish (goyish) aristocracy. Therefore, if the reason yidden are discouraged from wearing sunglasses is because it began in and now is commonly worn in the goyishe community, then, by those standards, wearing chasiddishe levush should also be discouraged. I don’t know that the reason I stated is THE reason. Frankly, until today I never heard of it being a problem. In giving thought as to why it may be viewed as problematic, that is one of the reasons that I would imagine. Maybe wearing sunglasses can make a person feel gaavadik (like “I’m cool”). Who knows?? Frankly, glasses these days are made with protection against UVA and UVB rays, which can cause cataracts and other problems later in life. Why take a chance? It’s silly to me. Just choose a pair that you feel tzniusdik in.

    #802625

    ootinny
    Member

    i see what you’re saying abt sunglasses being attractive, but i still think it’s technically tznius. altho every summer goes by and i want to buy sunglasses and i cant find a pair that i like, so i never wear them and i do survive. although i keep a pair of funky checkered ones in my car for wen the sun’s in my eyes. and sunglasses r great as headbands!! and girls need to be attractive so ha! GIRLS ROCK!!!

    #802627

    wanderingchana
    Participant

    Aries, LOL…

    I wonder, is the burqa really too goyish? Because the best thing would be to have a signal men can receive in their peripheral vision that what’s there isn’t supposed to be looked at, so I wonder if the muslims don’t have the right idea.

    Sunglasses are just as important in the winter, when the brilliant January sun is reflecting off the snow that won’t melt off until May. Besides, if you burn your retinas, it’s going to attract more attention, what with walking slowly, using the cane with the red tip (why don’t they come in black?) and not knowing if the thing you just touched with your cane is a fire hydrant or a man’s shoe cv”s…

    #802628

    yichusdik
    Participant

    C’mon, Aries. Tell us how you really feel. 🙂

    #802629

    Toi
    Participant

    first of all. obviously sunglasses in and of themselves arent a problem. to anyone whos honest to themselves and has open eyes, big fashion sunglasses are totally in style and attract atention. thats the problem. what i mean is, are you wearing sunglasses that dont have thick arms and frame? or are your sunglasses actually horse blinders in disguise. if you can honestly answer then youve answered the ops question. also, go check out what the yeshiva bochurims first accesory is when he dresses up (or dresses down) for his bein hazmanim cross country road trip. they will be sunglasses, and they will be large. thats cuz theyre makingh a statement. and the statement theyre making is the same one when a frum anyone wears them- whether you mean it or not.

    #802630

    charliehall
    Participant

    Wearing trousers started in the goyish community.

    Wearing wigs started in the goyish community.

    Wearing streimels started in the goyish community.

    Wearing fedoras started in the goyish community.

    Wearing neckties started in the goyish community.

    Anyone who wants to asur sunglasses because they are a goyish fashion needs to asur all of these. And unlike all these other fashions, there is a very good health reason to wear sunglasses: to protect eyes from light damage.

    #802631

    i love coffe
    Participant

    charliehall, couldnt agree with you more.

    Could there also be an inyan that only in certain places your’e allowed to wear sunglasses since there is always sun like Israel, Miami, the dessert…Just like your’e allowed to take showers in these places during the 9 days because of the intense heat and in result the sweating that happens? Just a thought 🙂

    #802633

    mommamia22
    Participant

    I think it’s hysterical that so many people responded to the idea of sunglasses being frowned upon POSSIBLY because they stemmed from the goyishe community. No one ever said it was the real reason, but it started a whole discussion. I thought this thread would elicit additional thoughts as to why it might have been assured, as opposed to everyone getting all hyped up about one persons possible observation.

    #802634

    bein_hasdorim: YOU WROTE

    “”I especially feel goyish eating a slice of Pizza, Totally Goyishe.PIZZA It sounds like Pritzus. “”

    Actually I heard from a Rebbetzin once, that IT IS a shaila from kashrus when we’re talking about something like sushi (even under hechieris) because it looks like the goyims.

    #802635

    i love coffe
    Participant

    I dont think that the reason why people don’t wear sunglasses is because it stemmed from the goyishe community. So I think that mommamia22 is right and lets please get back on topic of why people dont wear sunglasses. Thank you 🙂

    #802636

    mamashtakah
    Member

    I thought this thread would elicit additional thoughts as to why it might have been assured . . .

    Wearing sunglasses has NOT been assured. Can anyone tell me even one gadol who has said that wearing sunglasses is assur?

    #802637

    I don’t know that the issue is which gadol said its assur. But this conversation leaked into how there ought to be a stem of sensitivity towards avoiding the like as a refined yid.

    #802638

    apushatayid
    Participant

    “but wearing sunglasses does draw attention to oneself.”

    So does coughing and sneezing publicly. So does a person with Downs Syndrome or any physical deformity or handicap. Are very short or very obese people allowed outside? (this is a rhetorical question).

    #802640

    Health
    Participant

    They (Most) are only wearing them to attract attention. This is Ossur just like wearing a Bright red dress. I like the fact e/o comes up with the safety issue to circumvent the truth. So how do I know that this is the reason? Because you won’t find them wearing them in the winter, even when the glare is worse from the sun because of snow & ice, than the summer.

    #802642

    Toi
    Participant

    no gadol assured wearing shorts to kol nidrei. but some things there are sensetivities about. thats all

    #802644

    apushatayid
    Participant

    “no gadol assured wearing shorts to kol nidrei.”

    I’m not a posek, but a gadol by the name of the Chofets Chaim speaks about wearing shorts during tefilla. See siman tsadi aleph sif kattan heh (and the relevent comments of the mishna berurah). Like the other items discussed in the sif, it depends on the minhag hamakom and what is done when standing in front of “anashim chashuvim”. It may be permitted, it may be prohibited. Draw your own conclusions based on the place you find yourself when it is time to recite Kol Nidre,.

    #802645

    I stopped wearing them and started to wear a hat with a wider brim because I look like a gangster in sunglasses. I’d never think of driving without them though, especially in winter – practically pikuach nefesh.

    #802646

    mommamia22
    Participant

    Health.

    How much time do you think people spend outdoors in the winter when it’s snowing??

    People are not taking leisurely walks, spending loads of time outdoors. Given this last winter we’ve had, I’d say most people had their chins buried in their chests to avoid the harsh winds.

    #802647

    mewho
    Participant

    this is ridiculous. i wear sunglasses for multiple reasons. 1-it is supposed to protect your eyes from cataracts in the future. 2 if the sun is bright i sometimes see little flashes as my eyes are sensitive and my eye dr said to wear the sunglasses.

    for me sunglasses are year round. i know someone else mentioned it , but for the record there is sun during the winter and when ther is snow it is also very bright so sunglasses helps.

    how bout we pick on fancy cars next or maybe ordering a steak in a restaurant is not tznius. or maybe large pieces of jewelry is not tznius. i think all engagement rings should be assured as not tznius.

    give it a break folks

    #802648

    mexipal
    Participant

    i guess the question would be who told you to get sunglasses? the eye doctor or the “cool” individual in the picture wearing the glasses

    #802649

    charliehall
    Participant

    “Because you won’t find them wearing them in the winter, even when the glare is worse from the sun because of snow & ice, than the summer.”

    I wear sunglasses year round whenever there is sun in the sky, or snow on the ground. And when there is sun AND snow that is when you need them most of all! Basically, when I’m outside, I’m much more likely to be wearing sunglasses. I value my eyesight. So should every other Jew.

    #802651

    Hacham
    Member

    The women in the British royal family are famous for their immodesty.

    #802652

    Josh31
    Participant

    The present Queen Elizabeth has generally dressed respectfully (even when she was younger) and so has Princess Catherine.

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