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  • #2123920
    Reb Eliezer
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    The Zahor Hakadosh says that the reason is that the mother (Hashem) should look for her children. It says that it will be happening that a nest of birds will be found by you, but the problem is that it is written with an aleph when it should have been written with a heh. Similarly Yaakov Avinu tells his children that I will tell you what will happen and the end of days, again written with an aleph. Maybe, it says in the Midrash that Meshiach can be brought for three reasons where all three are related to reading or speech. Learning of mishnayos, belief and the act of bowing down showing appreciation for the good, That is Mishnayos, Krias Shma and Davening. What about if he does not want the birds or the eggs? There are three reason, protecting the species showing mercy and the above. According to the two reasons no because you are protecting the species, if you don’t take the birds or eggs and you show more mercy by leaving them with the mother.

    #2124016
    DaMoshe
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    Nice vort, but the Midrash doesn’t say that Mashiach is brought through this mitzvah. The Torah says shiluach haken gives long life. I read last week that a Midrash says that a woman without children should do shiluach haken, and in the merit of showing mercy to a mother, Hashem will grant her children.
    Tanchuma also says that since it’s followed by pesukim about getting married and building a house, it’s also a segulah for those.
    One other thing I read is that it’s not supposed to be planned. It’s supposed to be a happenstance – you find a nest. It shouldn’t be a nest that you know is there, where you go specifically to do the mitzvah. It needs to be unplanned.

    #2124043
    Reb Eliezer
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    It is unplanned as the coming of Meshiach will come behesach hadaas, unplanned.

    #2124048
    Reb Eliezer
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    Why will Meshiach come unplanned? Maybe, the Maharal explains the statement that if one repeats something from someone’s name will bring the redemption on the world. Why? Hashem wants us to recognize His deed to give credit where credit is due. When this individual does that, Hashem can be the geulah. When Meshiach will come unplanned, spontaneously, the miracle of his coming will be more recognized and appreciated than when one is planning for it.

    #2124049
    DaMoshe
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    But where does it say Mashiach will be brought through this mitzvah?

    #2124110
    Reb Eliezer
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    I just indicated the similarities (being unplanned, written with an aleph instead of a heh and the mother looking for her children) of this mitzva and Meshiach. Caring for the species not dying out or showing mercy for the child birds, would indicate to have children or building a house to have children. However, looking for children indicates that we create a symbolism showing our aspiration for the mother (Hashem) to look for his children as the holy Zohar gives us hope that it will be fulfilled, midah kaneged midah, being inclusive in long life. Honoring parents where it promises long life also, might be as the Rav Abarbanel explains that when your children will see that you honor your parents, they will honor you accordingly providing you a good long life. This can be demonstrated with a story. There was a grandfather, father and son. The father would feed the grandfather in a wooden plate. When the grandfather passed on, the father wanted to get rid of the plate, so the son said, father don’t throw it out as we need it for you.

    #2124134
    akuperma
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    We need to think about the economic impact of Mashiach. There are probably millions of politicians, journalist, bloggers, and people who spend their life in chat rooms. What will they do? Massive dislocation?

    #2124209
    DWKL1
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    if this was true moshiach wouldve been here long ago i think a bigger segula to bring moschiach would be to do a chesed for another jew

    #2124294

    > We need to think about the economic impact of Mashiach

    Have bigger emunah than naarim ketanim who were upset that Elisha cured waters in Yericho and their jobs went away. There will be politicians who will argue that they are the true moschiach party and the blogs with insider information.

    #2124304
    Reb Eliezer
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    According to the Beis Elokim we need most should daven for Meshiach. Similarly maybe one doing the mitzva might not bring it.

    #2124311
    Reb Eliezer
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    If one shames you, don’t shame them back but tell nicely that you don’t realize what you did.

    #2124448
    Ray Kaufman
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    how is chasing away the mother for no tachlis showing mercy?

    #2124466
    Reb Eliezer
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    If you want the children, the mother should not see how the children are taken away from her. We are not allowed to pray, Hashem have mercy on me as you have mercy even on a bird. The Chinuch explains in order not to compare our mercy with Hashem’s whose mercy comes from understanding and not from emotion.

    #2124689

    Ray > how is chasing away the mother for no tachlis showing mercy?

    How is this mitzva is so special, as it is one of the 74 mitzvos in Ki Tetse. More effort is required to catch a girl in the war, raise a glutton kid, lo aleinu, hang stoned criminals, build a fence on the roof, get married and then tell lashon haro about her, then divorce her, and then not divorce her depending on circumstances, buy a portable toilet before a trip, get interest from non-Jews, do halitza and remember Amalek.

    #2124758
    Reb Eliezer
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    So Sheliach Hakein reminds us to also do the other things dependent on speech that will bring Meshiach, believe in Hashem and trust Him, daven for his coming and learn Mishnayus.

    #2131860
    HaLeiVi
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    DWKL1, much more Chessed has been done that Sheluach Haken. And so, if you are correct, Moshiach should have long been here.

    #2131866
    AviraDeArah
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    The munkatcher rebbe traveled far and wide just to meet the saba kadisha, rav alefandria, in eretz yisroel. A talmid of the munkatcher was able to catch the first bit of their conversation, before he was discovered and sent away. The munkatcher asked the saba kadisha, when will moshiach come? He answered, Hinei hu achar koslainu, he is on the other side of our wall. The munkatcher asked, why then is he not here? To which the saba jadisha answered, “because of the reshoim.” In his unbelievable humility, the munkatcher asked, “am I one of them?”

    The reshoim are holding back the geulah. Far from the fantasies of the religious zionists, that the state facilitates the geulah, it and its leaders are actively preventing it .

    #2131879

    Avira, if you accept a Munkachever story, why don’t you accept Munkacheve humility?!

    Without ad hominems: It is not hard then to invite Moschiach by moving far away from “reshoyim” in EY. I am, though, not aware of Munkachever enclaves in Area C or on the other side of the Golans. The one I davened at is under Tzioni protection in Petach Tikva.

    #2154761
    Reb Eliezer
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    bump

    #2154868

    why bump? I thought this was settled. Did Munkach move to to Area C or join the government?

    #2155272
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    It is bumped because of the OP applicable to Parashas Vayechi.

    #2155483
    ToShma
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    It’s Shiluach Hakan not haKen…

    #2155627
    midwesterner
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    It is Shiluach haken, not hakan. The word in the Torah is Kan Tzipor which means nest of a bird. Kan is a possessive word. If that which is being possessed does not immediately follow, then the regular word is kain.

    #2157697
    SQUARE_ROOT
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    No offense intended, sir, but Shiluach HaKan cannot and will not bring the Melech HaMashiach.

    Chazal clearly teach that the destruction of the Temple and the exile were both caused by our failure with mitzvot-ben-Adam-LeChavero. Therefore, the Melech HaMashiach can only be brought through mitzvot-ben-Adam-LeChavero. Sorry about that!

    If you doubt that what I said is true, then please read the two Torah quotes shown below:

    Jerusalem Talmud, tractate Yoma, chapter 1, law 1, page 4B:

    Rabbi Yochanan ben Tortota taught:

    “…During the era of the Second Temple, the Jews labored to study Torah, and they were careful with [all] mitzvot and tithes, and every kind of good deed was found in them.
    However, [the Second Temple was destroyed] because they loved money and hated each other.”

    Babylonian Talmud, tractate Yoma, page 9B:

    “In the time of the Second Temple, they [Israel] occupied themselves with Torah [study],
    obeying the commandments [mitzvot] and performing acts of kindness (chesed).

    So why was the [Second] Temple destroyed?

    Because of causeless hatred (sinat chinam) that was there…”

    #2157745
    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    I’m not sure ANY of the CR gadolim really have a clue as to what and when will bring z’man moishiach any more than those guys with yellow flags running up and down Eastern Parkway, and in some respects, they may provide a higher liklihood predictor. However, in the larger scheme of things, I doubt whether the Ebeshter’s Moishiach Task Force has created a special task force of maalachim to address the disruptions to online social media that might be triggered by a legit moishiach sighting.

    #2157710

    SQRT,
    this is a meaningless argument – when Moschiach comes, b’mwhira, those who focus on bein adam l’havero will claim it was their effort, those who were looking for birds in the forest – will claim it was theirs! I doubt Melech Hamoschiach will resolve this – l’derech shalom, or maybe even like current politicians, he will tell everyone what they want to hear – after all, al pi Rambam, there will be no difference from before, except Jews will not be subjugated. And we are getting a taste how Jews behave in such case from the Knesset elections.

    #2159624
    ToShma
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