March 29, 2019 2:44 pm at 2:44 pm #1704835
Ok, a question for you nut jobs who call him that.
If he could die, why don’t you think he’s dead?
If he can’t die, why does he need your bracha that he should live long?
Same question goes for the yechi nonsense.March 29, 2019 3:24 pm at 3:24 pm #1704837
I object to the term “nut jobs” here. That implies lack of bechira and inability to do teshiva. I prefer the term apikorsim like Rav Aharon Fedman zt”l used. Yemincha peshuta lekabel shavim.March 29, 2019 3:30 pm at 3:30 pm #1704848
LMT: institutional nuttiness.March 29, 2019 3:54 pm at 3:54 pm #1704855yochyParticipant
Rubashkin ?March 29, 2019 4:16 pm at 4:16 pm #1704864
Rav Shach shlita – ma zaro b’chayim after hu ba’hachayim. Dovid Melech Yisroel Chai v’Kayom. Why does he need our “brochos”? Tzakdikim b’misosom kruyim Chaim – oxymoron?! LIfe and death is byad Hashem – why say after anyone’s name shlita at all?! Are we able to control or extend someone’s allotment of life?!March 29, 2019 5:39 pm at 5:39 pm #1704871
I love how when TT Says shlita it gets taken out but when someone wants to make fun your allowed to have it
It’s All a matter of opinion, why cant he write it??
Maybe some of the mods are LubavitchMarch 29, 2019 5:40 pm at 5:40 pm #1704873Moshiach Now770Participant
You guys are all a bunch of losers and am aratzim I will not waste my time trying to explain to you all the sources for this but you should know do not make fun of something when there are clear sources for it in torah that you because of your lack of knowledge and not willingness to learn do not know and we end with good with the blessing to have the complete redemption through our righteous moshiach right now וראו כל בשר יחדיו כי פי ה דיבר in our days before this shabbos amenMarch 29, 2019 6:18 pm at 6:18 pm #1704887zahavasdadParticipant
As much as I am opposed to the Mechiasism, I do not support trolling people eitherMarch 29, 2019 6:18 pm at 6:18 pm #1704888
It’s All a matter of opinion
If someone were to call him something nasty, would you defend it as someone’s opinion, or go ballistic?March 29, 2019 6:18 pm at 6:18 pm #1704889
I will not waste my time trying to explain to you all the sources for this
Thanks. It would have taken lots of everyone’s time citing all of the numerous sources that the Lubavicher Rebbe is still alive.March 29, 2019 6:18 pm at 6:18 pm #1704890
Rav Shach shlita
If a litvak would actually call him that, he’d be considered insane.March 29, 2019 6:27 pm at 6:27 pm #1704899
*I cant stop him from voicing his opinionMarch 29, 2019 6:28 pm at 6:28 pm #1704895
“Maybe some of the mods are Lubavitch”
I doubt it, othwrwise some posts would be taken down
And certain treads would not be started 🙂March 29, 2019 6:28 pm at 6:28 pm #1704897
If someone were to call him something nasty, would you defend it as someone’s opinion
I may disagree with it but will I not let him voice his opinion
Btw ppl do use really degrading word on all sorts of ppl on TYW and the mods allow itMarch 29, 2019 6:28 pm at 6:28 pm #1704898
As much as I am opposed to the Mechiasism, I do not support trolling people either
הַ הַ אני תרולינג is gematria 770March 29, 2019 6:38 pm at 6:38 pm #1704907MilhouseParticipant
The L Rebbe himself explained, in connection with the wish “yechi hamelech”, which is found in Tanach, that it can be understood two ways. In the case of a living person it can be understood as a prayer that he not die, and in the case of a deceased person it can be understood as a prayer for techiyas hameisim. The same is true for “shlita”; we hope that all the shochnei ofor will wake up and sing, and live for a long time (according to the Rambam) or forever (according to the Ramban),March 29, 2019 6:42 pm at 6:42 pm #1704911
The L Rebbe himself explained, in connection with the wish “yechi hamelech”, which is found in Tanach, that it can be understood two ways. In the case of a living person it can be understood as a prayer that he not die, and in the case of a deceased person it can be understood as a prayer for techiyas hameisim. The same is true for “shlita”
You and I both know that that’s not what they mean, or they would use those terms for others as well.March 29, 2019 6:42 pm at 6:42 pm #1704913JosephParticipant
Milhouse: Why, then, has there been strong opposition *within Lubavitch* to the appellation “shlita” upon the Lubavitcher Rebbe zt”l?March 29, 2019 7:43 pm at 7:43 pm #1704922ClearKopParticipant
mushchisnow770 u were raised in a crazy home and i dont want to hear your rayos to the rebbe’s livingness. go convince r’ chaim and we’ll talk. This writing letters to the rebbe thing is like cristians keeping touch with yoshka. refua shleimaMarch 30, 2019 10:55 pm at 10:55 pm #1704965
“Why, then, has there been strong opposition *within Lubavitch* to the appellation “shlita” upon the Lubavitcher Rebbe zt”l?”
I was told because they are worried about those that say “Na’aseh Adom” – a proof of shtey reshuyos, these same people will also shilta means…as we see indeed there are such people that have such ta’anos. But others hold, “ha’rotzeh litos – yiteh” (those who with to mistaken – let them), as Rashi says in chumash).March 30, 2019 10:57 pm at 10:57 pm #1704970LubavitcherParticipant
Your playing with FireMarch 30, 2019 10:57 pm at 10:57 pm #1704971Neville ChaimBerlinParticipant
“The L Rebbe himself explained, in connection with the wish “yechi hamelech””
Did the Rebbe have an explanation for the rest of the yechi chant? We’d love to hear it.March 30, 2019 10:58 pm at 10:58 pm #1704991ChossidParticipant
On a serious note.
Did you open this to find out an answer? Or to mock?
If you’re looking for an answer, then go ask someone in real life like a normal person, if not then it seems like your just interested in mocking people.
Very nice of you and the mods for letting this through.
(And I’m saying this with the opinion that I don’t say shlita, nor did the Rebbe say it on the frierdiker Rebbe)
I going to leave at that.March 30, 2019 10:58 pm at 10:58 pm #1704994FreddyfishParticipant
Lol u guys are funny!!!!!!!!!!!!March 30, 2019 10:59 pm at 10:59 pm #1705002
Daas Yochid – “Rav Shach shlita. If a litvak would actually call him that, he’d be considered insane.”
True, because he is dead.
But saying Dovid Melech Yisroel Chai V’Kayim – is totally NOT insane.
One is Chai V’Kayom and one is dead.March 30, 2019 10:59 pm at 10:59 pm #1705003
Rav aharon Feldman shlita.March 30, 2019 10:59 pm at 10:59 pm #1704997
Daas Yochid – do you know that some “nut jobs” wrote at the Rambam’s kever that when someone learns his sefer – “his lips are moving in the kever”! If the Rambam is really “dead” – the lips don’t move!March 30, 2019 11:00 pm at 11:00 pm #1705005
ClearKop – “This writing letters to the rebbe thing is like cristians keeping touch with yoshka. ”
Do xians write letters to yoshka?! I never heard of that! I know some children write to santa and send letters to North Pole, but to yoshka?! What address?!
I do know that many leave wedding invitations at the kever of departed parents or grandparents. Is that also a xian minhag?!
Or leaving a kvitel at a tzaddiks kever or a kivrei tzddikim in Israel – is that xian?!
Or a note in the kosel – is that from xians?!
My point is that yidden do these things but I never heard of xians doing this, yet you claim they do. Provide proof or admit that you “were raised in a crazy home” (your words) because kol haposel, b’mumo posel.March 30, 2019 11:03 pm at 11:03 pm #1705012March 30, 2019 11:12 pm at 11:12 pm #1705041
But saying Dovid Melech Yisroel Chai V’Kayim – is totally NOT insane.
Yet, he’s not called Dovid Hamelech Shlita. Chew on that one.March 30, 2019 11:12 pm at 11:12 pm #1705043
On a serious note.
Did you open this to find out an answer? Or to mock?
To mock. Because it deserves mocking. Leitzanusa d’avoda zara.
I don’t ask for a real answer because there isn’t one. He’s dead. Get over it.March 30, 2019 11:12 pm at 11:12 pm #1705042
If the Rambam is really “dead” – the lips don’t move!
You made that up.
I’m having a hard time figuring out when you’re trolling and when you’re just being ignorant.
דאמר ר’ יוחנן משום ר’ שמעון בן יוחי כל תלמיד חכם שאומרים דבר שמועה מפיו בעולם הזה שפתותיו דובבות בקברMarch 30, 2019 11:13 pm at 11:13 pm #1705050
There are many rayos, clear clear rayos that yushka is mashiach. And i mean clear clear rayos.
Im not gonna go through them now, because it is all apikorsus and a waste of time.
Simple answer is, Hashem wrote the Torah in away that allows messed up people to read into it and mess up more, while more upright people will see the emes in the Torah.
Everything is in the Torah. Everything. Hafach bah vihafach buh dikulo bah.
So you will find a remez that the lubavitcher rebbe is mashiach, and that he is still alive, because everything is in the torah, and there are people who believe such things, so you will find it. You will also find references to mohammed, and to president trump, and george Washington…. its not important practically though, because everything, and I mean everything is in the Torah. Lies and truths. A person can twist the torah to find his lies.
Keep looking around those areas that say the rebba is mashiach, let me know when you find the remazim to sheker dorton.
Did anyone ever address this point- do “these proofs” say that the rebba is mashiach ben dovid? We do know that there is a concept of mashiach ben yosef, and that he might die.
No way in heck that is the rebbe? He has to be a dead mashiach that comes back? I mean come on, you have an opening to say he really was mashiach, ok maybe, albeit the first mashiach who paves the way for mashiach ben dovid? But you dont take that approach, you go for an approach with no mikoros.
Of all the times i have inquired from meshichists about their sources, the only answers I have heard are-
A. Not gonna explain it to you
B. I know a guy who really can explain it to you, a real smart guy who can shlug you up.
Ok. Lets hear.March 30, 2019 11:16 pm at 11:16 pm #1705055WolfishMusingsParticipant
I prefer the term apikorsim
I was not aware that mistakenly (and even purposely) believing that a deceased person is alive is apikorsus. To the best of my knowledge, it is simply incorrect, and being factually incorrect regarding the living status of any particular modern person is not grounds for calling someone an apikorus.
The WolfMarch 30, 2019 11:20 pm at 11:20 pm #1705060
If they made a mistake because of some type of conspiracy theory, and there wasn’t a body, etc., you might be right.
However, the reason they think he’s alive is because they think he can’t die, because he’s divine. That’s apikorsus.March 30, 2019 11:20 pm at 11:20 pm #1705059
The picture I posted in https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/the-lubavicher-rebbe-shlita/#post-1705012
shows a big banner hanging off a school with a moshiach flag, saying “The Rebbe physically lives in this physical world”.
That doesn’t fit into anything anyone here is saying.March 30, 2019 11:29 pm at 11:29 pm #1705066
Daas Yochid – “However, the reason they think he’s alive is because they think he can’t die, because he’s divine. That’s apikorsus.” Is believing that a person MUST die one of the 13 Ikrim? Some people did not die, ever, and we are told so in TNACH and Gemara, but does tat mean Eliyahu Hanovee is divine? Is it apikursos ?! You are talking like an Am Haaretz that is kofer b’divrei chachomim (and kol haposel b’mumo posel).March 30, 2019 11:30 pm at 11:30 pm #1705063
Daas yochid- yes it is ok to mock avodah zara, but as we already know that even fighting against people who are actively pulling people away from yiddishkeit, has to be done ina good way. Having kpeida or acting with gaava, even in appropriate situations, is not good, because it will lead a person to have those middos in other areas of life.
An another note, there are mefarshim that say that when the gemara says that in the times of Mashiach, the sofrim will br despised, it is referring to the chochma of gematrios.
Gematrios is not just a cutesy thing.
The sefer kol hator, from the talmid of the vilna gaon, says thst the gaon held that everyone should know all of the gematrios of their names, and see pesukim that show those gematrios, for chizzuk.
Gematrios are brought down numerous times in gemara, medrash, and other places. Rav chiya bar abba had atbach- thst is befeirush in gemara sukkah. Almost all the chassidishe sefarim are full of gematrios, as well as kabalah sefarim.
This post is for anyone who dont like gematrios, and just because daas yochid made the comment, does not mean he is against gematriosMarch 30, 2019 11:30 pm at 11:30 pm #1705065Yabia OmerParticipant
Don’t you guys have anything better to talk about than this? Are you guys bored?March 30, 2019 11:36 pm at 11:36 pm #1705072
and kol haposel b’mumo posel
Well, then, you’re a koifer too.March 30, 2019 11:36 pm at 11:36 pm #1705074
and just because daas yochid made the comment, does not mean he is against gematrios
Gematria is a genuine part of Torah. I mock those who abuse it.March 31, 2019 12:13 am at 12:13 am #1705082
שפתיו דובבות בקבר is a chazal that you are unaware of. It applies talmidei chachomim that are בקבר yet their lips are MOVING! If someone’s lips are moving – is that person dead? Define dead?!March 31, 2019 12:14 am at 12:14 am #1705085
So DY does not believe that Eliyahu Hanovee remains alive (he thinks that believing so is apikursos). He doesn’t believe the stories in Gemarah that Eliyohu visited people and did various things including. He also does not believe that Rebbe Yehudah returned to make havdalah (and be motzei his family!) after his petira – if he was motzee his family, he needed to be ALVIVE (a meis is chofshi m’mitzvos) – which means he is kofer this and other gemarahs. Yet he calls others apikursim?! Typical (being mikayim chazal: kol haposel b’mumo posel).March 31, 2019 12:14 am at 12:14 am #1705087
The Rebbe had a stroke in 1992. He was quite incapacitated from it. When he died, a death certificate was issued, which is easily googlable for whoever wants to see it. They don’t issue one until an exhaustive battery of test are done. I spoke to someone who was in the ambulance that did hotzaas hameis, who assured me that the Rebbe’s body was doing all the things dead bodies do when they’re out of the fridge. There was a tight chain of custody until the Rebbe was put into a coffin, and the coffin was carried by Chabadskers. Once the Rebbe was put in and covered with 6 feet of dirt, even if he was alive and healthy he would have no way of clawing himself out. So at best he would have lived another few hours before succumbing to lack of air. Yet we see they hold he’s physically alive. Quit the magic trick.March 31, 2019 12:22 am at 12:22 am #1705099👑RebYidd23Participant
If not for John Wilkes Booth, Abraham Lincoln would be 210 years old.March 31, 2019 12:22 am at 12:22 am #1705100
שפתיו דובבות בקבר is a chazal that you are unaware of. It applies talmidei chachomim that are בקבר yet their lips are MOVING! If someone’s lips are moving – is that person dead? Define dead?!
Unaware? I quoted it.
Troll? Ignorant? Just plain obnoxious?March 31, 2019 12:22 am at 12:22 am #1705101
So DY does not believe that Eliyahu Hanovee remains alive (he thinks that believing so is apikursos).
I said no such thing. It’s despicable how you twist things.
As LMT points out, we know the Rebbe died through the normal ways we know anyone dies.March 31, 2019 12:23 am at 12:23 am #1705108
Lernt – On the kever of Rambam it says שפתיו דובבות בקבר (even though he is buried under the ground and cannot “breath” – his lips are moving. I and you do not understand it, but if Chazal say so, it must be true! Also ON THE KEVER of Dovid Hamelech it says Dovid Melech Yisroel CHAI VKAYOM – kind of an oxymoron ON HIS KEVER, but we accept that (maybe you don’t but klal yisroel says ovid Melech Yisroel Chai VKayom at kiddush levana).
In your words: “Quite a mgic trick.”
Yet I tbelieve CHazal speak REALITY and not magic tricks. You are welcome to disbelieve Chazal (but they acceot that you become a kofe).March 31, 2019 12:31 am at 12:31 am #1705113
Rebbe Yehudah Hanosi “died” the “normal way”, yet returned to make havdalah (and be motzei his family!) after his petira – if he was motzee his family, he needed to be ALVIVE (a meis is chofshi m’mitzvos) – I guess you are kofer this gemarah too. It does not fit with your “belief system”.March 31, 2019 12:33 am at 12:33 am #1705121
DY – Rav Shach shlita If a litvak would actually call him that, he’d be considered insane.”
And you agree that any Litvak that says on Rav Shach שפתיו דובבות בקבר would also be considered insane.
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