December 15, 2011 4:06 am at 4:06 am #601143
I hear from the mods that they have pretty solid evidence that one of the trolls here is a mechalel shabbos. Why would anybody who is mechalel shabbos post here? This is a frum place.December 15, 2011 4:40 am at 4:40 am #839132Sam2Participant
No one knows who everyone here actually is. I would guess that several non-fum people post here. Who cares?December 15, 2011 5:32 am at 5:32 am #839133
“I hear from the mods..”
I think you’re hearing thingsDecember 15, 2011 5:51 am at 5:51 am #839134yossi z.Member
Maybe there are those amongst the members here who are not frum nor keep shabbos yet and they are becoming (more) frum so they post here?
Now, may I ask, what does this place being frum, have to do with, someone who is not keeping shabbos posting here?December 15, 2011 5:52 am at 5:52 am #839135always runs with scissors fastParticipant
thats weird. maybe he wants to become religious.December 15, 2011 5:56 am at 5:56 am #839136AZOI.ISParticipant
Why dont the Mods come out with the evidence? Who are they protecting?December 15, 2011 6:10 am at 6:10 am #839137real-briskerMember
The same reason someone would be a troll.December 15, 2011 8:12 am at 8:12 am #839138
I’m not gonna believe such Loshon Hora, Since I don’t believe it’s letoeles..
Besides which I would hope no frum yid would ever do such a thing.December 15, 2011 8:17 am at 8:17 am #839139YehudahTzviParticipant
Perhaps they are just in a different time zone.December 15, 2011 9:38 am at 9:38 am #839140Ken ZaynMember
This is another reminder if true, and we cant get enough reminders, that we have absolutely no idea what type of person we are replying to and who’s posts we are reading. We build up mental images of posters without having any clue who they really are. Anyway Jothar, whats this “I hear from the mods” business??? See, we dont even know who is a poster and who is a mod! Yet again. It seems to be a real cozy relationship…December 15, 2011 11:10 am at 11:10 am #839141jmj613Participant
i am sure there is shaile if someone writes something on shabbes if we are allowed to read..but then how should we know that it was written on shabbes?? Mods please consider(im sure u do)that you have user from outside usa that could post when by you its still shabbes…December 15, 2011 11:22 am at 11:22 am #839142☕️coffee addictParticipant
Unless the guy is a goyDecember 15, 2011 2:57 pm at 2:57 pm #839143
I wouldn’t put much thought to it, considering the other great detective work we’ve witnessed.December 15, 2011 3:15 pm at 3:15 pm #839144gefenParticipant
Zeeskite: “I hear from the mods..” “I think you’re hearing things” I love your response! Cute!
Azolis: What are you talking about? Evidence? Sounds like you’re talking about criminals. You want them to say who they think is mechalel shabbos? Why? What’s it our business? This is a public website – despite the fact that it is a frum one. Anyone has the right to read and post here.
The best thing for us to do is NEVER MAKE A CHILLUL HASHEM!!!! We must always act appropriately- here and in real life! I would hope that anyone here on the cr who is not frum or not jewish would come away with a good impression of the frum world. True – nobody is perfect. We all make mistakes, argue, etc. but in general we do have a high standard to uphold – and that is the standard Hashem set for us with the Torah. Let’s do our best to make a Kiddush Hashem!December 15, 2011 3:25 pm at 3:25 pm #839145always hereParticipant
I remember that awhile back there was a non-Jewish woman posting here.. who’s to say who posts here?!December 15, 2011 3:27 pm at 3:27 pm #839146always hereParticipant
I remember that awhile back there was a non-Jewish woman posting here.. who’s to say who posts here?!
biting my tongue on “I hear from the mods…”December 15, 2011 6:15 pm at 6:15 pm #839148BTGuyParticipant
Hi my favorite crime fighting friend, Jothar!
Maybe they are on their way to being frum (like in the story of the man who drove to shul and the rabbi did not confront him until eventually he ended up using skates, and then finally walking) and this site is still a valuable resource to them?
Also, where do we draw the line on any Jew? My thought is about some yeshiva guys schmuzing in shul on Shabbos affecting my davening and concentration. They are not bad Jews and they are more learned than I am, and I think very highly of them; they are great guys, but are they also mechalel Shabbos in a way?
How about the loshon hora afterwards at kiddush? I actually try to avoid someone because they start talking about notable people in town in a critical way, and they are upset with me for doing this. He actually has smicha. Is that also not mechalel Shabbos for the level they are holding?
You are a smart and proud Jew and I understand where you are coming from. But should it be acted upon?December 15, 2011 6:29 pm at 6:29 pm #839149apushatayidParticipant
People quote “them” all the time. And lets not forget everything on this site attributed to “seforim hakedoshim” and “the poskim”. So, now something is attributed “the mods”. Big deal. On the news page there was a story yesterday that attributed a quote to Rav Elyashiv Shlita and today a story that claims in the Ravs name that yesterdays quote was false. Don’t believe everything you read or hear.
And if there IS a troll who is mechallel shabbos?December 15, 2011 6:33 pm at 6:33 pm #839150✡onegoal™Participant
Jothar- Where did you get this privelege of hearing from the mods?December 15, 2011 8:04 pm at 8:04 pm #839151always runs with scissors fastParticipant
Where are the “mods” during all this discussion. They haven’t come to disclaim anything.December 15, 2011 8:19 pm at 8:19 pm #839152apushatayidParticipant
Just curious. Why do the moderators care that someone is mechallel shabbos? Are they looking to help him start keeping shabbos?December 15, 2011 8:20 pm at 8:20 pm #839153YW Moderator-72Participant
NEWS FLASH: Mods have friends. Yes even retired mods have friends (but the friends of the current mods have inside info that even retired mods have).
could it be possible that Jothar is a friend of a mod and the mod shares this info with him? mods are not held to laws of confidentiality even though we do keep the alter-ego screen names and real names confidential.December 15, 2011 8:45 pm at 8:45 pm #839154Ken ZaynMember
Artscroll’s website is completely closed for shabbos. Maybe this one should also, though I think with artscroll it could be different as they are a business so its a shaileh whether the owners can have a website open and effectively making money for them while it is shabbos for them. Here it is all voluntary. Voluntary moderators, voluntary posters, voluntary trolls, voluntary stalkers and voluntary addicts. I would presume the advertisers are in another category. But a post in from a place where it is shabbos there, if the mods can tell which country we post from, should for sure not be posted.
Do mods know where posts come from?December 15, 2011 8:56 pm at 8:56 pm #839155
We have a mechalel shabbos troll posting here, and all people want to do is hock about my friendships with mods. Mods are people too, and deserve friends. I’m not the mechalel shabbos here.
But why troll here if you are a mechalal shabbos? Go elsewhere.December 15, 2011 9:10 pm at 9:10 pm #839156lolkatzMember
Unbelievable. People would rather attack someone who’s friends with the mods than a troll who posts on shabbos.
Then again, it’s mostly the J____ sn’s who are attacking him, so I guess we know who the troll is.December 15, 2011 9:27 pm at 9:27 pm #839157
“i am sure there is shaile if someone writes something on shabbes if we are allowed to read..but then how should we know that it was written on shabbes?? Mods please consider(im sure u do)that you have user from outside usa that could post when by you its still shabbes… “
prehaps the website should be closed overshabbos. since there IS a sheaila whether the pple outside the timezone are allowed to post since there is a service being done for them on the mod’s end..December 15, 2011 9:58 pm at 9:58 pm #839158ShrekMember
Probably a reporter for a major newspaper, who wants to write an article.
I’ve often wondered what a “non-member of the tribe” would make of some of the CR postings.
Behave, everyone! You never know who could be lurking here.December 15, 2011 10:05 pm at 10:05 pm #839159
As far as I know there is nothing halachikly wrong with someone in Israel posting while it is still Shabbos in NY. The mods won’t approve it until after Shabbos wherever they are though.
Australia is about 15 hours ahead of NY so it makes sense that someone with an Australian IP is posting around 9am Saturday NY time since Shabbos is over by then. But it seems to me that this same prolific poster of many screen names is also posting at the same time on Friday morning when it should be past Shkia in Melbourne.December 15, 2011 10:13 pm at 10:13 pm #839160
I don’t know if using an IP address alone is the way to tell where a person is posting from. Personally, I am almost always connected to a VPN located in the east coast but I am located physically in EY, so while my IP address shows up as based in the U.S., I am not physically there. I’m not sure what’s the big deal.December 15, 2011 10:18 pm at 10:18 pm #839161oot for lifeParticipant
Isn’t this a discussion the mods (and maybe their friends) should have amongst themselves? It seems to me to be a pretty simple solution, if the mod sees that someone posted on Shabbos, don’t let the post go through.December 15, 2011 10:21 pm at 10:21 pm #839162stamamenMember
check myzmanim.com for the place you think he’s posting from to see when It was shabbos for him.December 15, 2011 10:34 pm at 10:34 pm #839163
Jother, I have investigated into the matter. Turns out that this poster type out messages on Erev Shabbos, then had an automatic posting program (time delay) put it out on Shabbos. So it was his computer, not him, who was actually mechalel Shabbos. (If one is indeed allowed to do it or not is a differend question) So, using the quote from a different thread “HOW DARE WE JUDGE HIM” (blah x3). This classified information was gleaned from my drone, before capture..December 15, 2011 10:41 pm at 10:41 pm #839164
Nechoma, obviously we can’t be sure based on the IP. But like I said s/he was posting at the same time on Fridaay and Saturday (9am). There is nowhere in the world where it is muttar to post at both of those times the same week.December 15, 2011 10:44 pm at 10:44 pm #839165
007 – You’re right about the 24 hour difference. I just wanted to make sure I’m not suspect since I do sometimes post without being connected to my VPN, especially right after Shabbos. If it came from an Australian IP, then I really have no clues.December 15, 2011 11:05 pm at 11:05 pm #839166YW Moderator-72Participant
ZeesKite when I saw your post I had to comment – my email was mechalel Shabbos this past Shabbos – but I wasn’t
Last Friday at around 10:30PM someone hacked my email and sent out an email to everyone in my address book. (if anyone here got it – sorry). when friends and family saw it they new I was hacked because of when it went out. Someone from Israel was the first to notice and he emailed me back on a different email account to let me know.December 15, 2011 11:10 pm at 11:10 pm #839167jemmapuddleduckMember
hey guys,i thought the rule around here was that ur not s’pposed to try find out who ppl r????????December 15, 2011 11:14 pm at 11:14 pm #839168
72 – Once my email got hacked and all of my contacts got some link in an email. I have my second email address in my contacts and got an email from myself. It took me a long time to figure out how to get rid of the hacker (I was very slow on the uptake on that one and finally changed my PW, duh).December 15, 2011 11:54 pm at 11:54 pm #839169
perhaps the poster is posting moments before licht… I can’t believe somone would actually be posting on here if they were mechalal shabbos they would be elsewhere on the net…December 15, 2011 11:57 pm at 11:57 pm #839170
72, Yeah, I know it was my downed drone, on the blink. Sorry.December 16, 2011 12:38 am at 12:38 am #839172
if you are wrong. Which I hope you are, you are choshen, So You may have to ask that poster for Mechilla…On a number of different levels… It’s not a pashut avaira.. Bein adam lechavera is just as important to hashem as bein adam lemakom…December 16, 2011 12:56 am at 12:56 am #839173
We had a shared account here in the past. That might explain it. There might be more scenarios that we can’t think of. Does this poster post Yiddish content?
I’m glad you are being more discreet and cautious before acting, this time.December 16, 2011 1:05 am at 1:05 am #839174
HaLeiVi, just because someone speaks Yiddish doesn’t make them frum. Yiddish isn’t holy :}
This particular poster posts regular frum sounding posts.December 16, 2011 2:10 am at 2:10 am #839175
I wasn’t talking about the language. But, you answered my question.December 16, 2011 2:25 am at 2:25 am #839176Josh31Participant
How do we know if the Troll is even Jewish?December 16, 2011 2:28 am at 2:28 am #839177
I’m no Aussie, but yes you are right about FIGURING OUT my location, I am temporarily on the gold coast. thanks for the subtitle anyway… I’m still foncused about the previous one… I’d say it was a shtickle random but CUTE anyway…lol:)
But here on a serious note;- I hope you are not insinuating in anyway that I’m the mechalel shabbos troll in anyway… I don’t care if you call me a troll, or an ‘aussie’, but to call me a mechalel shabbos is sth I CANNOT forgive!! I’m aware that you don’t care and I don’t need you to either.. Hashem always does, and if you cared about Him you would also care about His children!!
SHABBAT SHALOM!December 16, 2011 2:45 am at 2:45 am #839178
::::::QTpie Aussie Troll:::: “
Why does this poster have the same subtitle as me?? this place is giving me the creaps….December 16, 2011 3:30 am at 3:30 am #839179
mechaleleha mos yumas.December 16, 2011 3:45 am at 3:45 am #839180lolkatzMember
Banning sn’s won’t help. Haleivi #2 is the biggest proof to this.
Even Wolfish was only mechalel shabbos by being sad. For all the YU bashing going on here, where is the chillul shabbos bashing? This is a MUCH worse aveirah than whatever it was the beacon was trying to legitimize.
Why should the owner have to shut down his website on shabbos? There is no money issues as far as I know. Why should he care if a mechallel shabbos troll is being mechallel shabbos?
Question for you talmudic scholars- if someone stalks and trolls on shabbos, is there a kim lei bederabba minei?
Is this considered keeping half shabbos or no-shabbos?December 16, 2011 3:55 am at 3:55 am #839181
Mod 007, thanks for the backup.
The Yiddish thread was one of my favorites here. Thanks for bringing it up.
As holy as people think yiddish is, shabbos is even holier. One can study secular books on shabbos if they’re written in Hebrew. One can’t study secular books in Yiddish, and one can’t use a computer on shabbos.
Shabbos=Holy. A mechalel shabbos is a kofer be’ikkar.December 16, 2011 3:56 am at 3:56 am #839182stamamenMember
there was an article that 50% of modern ortho teens text on shabbos. So if they text, I guess posting is the same thing.
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