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    Rabbi of Crawley
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    this post is published so we can all understand the TRUE torah perspective on woman in today’s society, primarily because of so called “femininsts” trolling around our coffee room

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    ???

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    👑RebYidd23
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    Barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen, of course.

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    Joseph
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    to raise & take care of their children with love & all their needs

    & of course take care of their husband too so they could sit in the coffeeroom 24-7 like me & the rest of us here now lol

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    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    To be an Eved Hashem

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    Abba_S
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    They are needed to help raise up the next generation and nurture the Messiah may he come quickly in our time.

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    TheGoq
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    one should not be barefoot in the kitchen you might slip on some schmaltz.

    #1162861

    Meno
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    I’m so happy someone finally brought this up. I feel like there’s so much to say about this issue, yet nobody in the Coffee Room ever talks about it…

    #1162862

    apushatayid
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    To be an eved hashem. To paraphrase Hillel, all else is its commentary, go study it.

    #1162863

    the goal of every woman is that she should read shlome hamelechs words in aishes chayil and try her best to be what it says there because that is a perfect guideline

    #1162864

    And the feminist baiting count is up to 2.

    Not touching this one, either. Try again later.

    #1162865

    ****Gold medal of honor****

    Awarded to jewishfeminist02 for her bravery and quick wit in avoiding explosive minefields and preventing broken blood vessels…Congratulations!!

    #1162866

    *blushes*

    *takes a bow*

    #1162867

    👑RebYidd23
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    Joseph, could you explain to me why someone would want to be a Jewish woman, since it’s basically the same thing as a slave?

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    Joseph
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    After forswearing taking the bait and participating in the other thread, you’re now an active participant there.

    1 for 2, going down. 😉

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    Joseph
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    RY23, Men are slaves too. Are we not all an Eved Hashem?

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    👑RebYidd23
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    Eved does not actually translate as slave.

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    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    Moshiach Agent: “to raise & take care of their children with love & all their needs

    & of course take care of their husband too so they could sit in the coffeeroom 24-7 like me & the rest of us here now lol”

    That would mean that a single woman (or one who can’t have kids) has no purpose in life.

    What Abba S. wrote is more on target (They are needed to help raise up the next generation and nurture the Messiah may he come quickly in our time.) since even single women can help raise the next generation.

    Obviously, being a wife and mother is an important part of a woman’s tafkid but clearly not the only one since it is one that does not apply to everyone.

    I remember learning years ago that someone says that a woman has 2 tafkidim as shown by the first woman’s two names (Isha and Chava). One name has to do with her tafkid as mother and the other has to do with her tafkid as a person.

    The way I look at it is that a woman has a unique tafkid to fulfill. This tafkid relates to the unique qualities she has. The role of mother epitomizes the unique qualities of a woman, but there are many ways that a women can utilize those qualities and fulfill that role.

    For example, Sara Schnirer used her female qualities in her role as “mother of an entire generation”. Any social worker or teacher (or anyone who has a similar profession) can do the same. And anyone can find a way to fulfill this role in her every day dealings with the people around her.

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    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    RebYidd23 -“Joseph, could you explain to me why someone would want to be a Jewish woman, since it’s basically the same thing as a slave?”

    Being a Jewish woman is the furthest thing from being a slave! Women in other cultures may be slaves or objects but not in ours. We are Avadim of Hashem alone, and this prevents us from being slaves to anyone else.

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    charliehall
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    Taliban Judaism.

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    👑RebYidd23
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    Maybe for radical feminists like you, lilmod ulelamaid, women have freedom to learn and to drive instead of mindlessly obeying their husbands and attending to his every want while somehow also managing a household.

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    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    RebYidd23: “Maybe for radical feminists like you, lilmod ulelamaid, women have freedom to learn and to drive instead of mindlessly obeying their husbands and attending to his every want while somehow also managing a household.”

    ??! I assume you are joking, but you should be careful about making jokes like that online, since there are many people in cyberspace who have serious misconceptions regarding Judaism’s views on this topic and might take you seriously.

    The term feminist in the Jewish world is generally used to refer to people who think that women are not treated fairly and therefore changes have to be made. I, on the other hand, do not think that changes must or should be made since I think that the woman’s role in Judaism is a highly-respectable position and it is demeaning to women to think and act in a way that indicates otherwise.

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    👑RebYidd23
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    Compared to Joseph, you are a feminist.

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    Compared to Joseph, just about anybody is a feminist.

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    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    sorry, I’m new – who is Joseph?

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    👑RebYidd23
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    Joseph helpfully posted links earlier in this thread that reflect his opinions about women.

    #1162880

    Sparkly
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    the role is to serve G-d.

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    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    The Goq: “one should not be barefoot in the kitchen you might slip on some schmaltz.”

    Also, some would say it’s untznius. I know it depends on minhag hamakom, but it’s hard to imagine that there are too many Frum Jews who feel that women’s job is to be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen yet consider it okay for women to walk around without socks. T/f, acc. to the rules of logic, one would have to conclude that there are very few Frum Jews who feel that women should be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen.

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    👑RebYidd23
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    It’s a metaphor for socks without shoes.

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    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    That’s not called barefoot! That’s called comfortable! That’s how I usually walk around and I don’t spend that much time in the kitchen.

    Is that really what the expression means? What is the point?

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    zahavasdad
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    Barefoot and Pregnant is an expression , not to be taken literaly.

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    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    zehavansdad – it still has to mean something

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    👑RebYidd23
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    It refers to the lack of need for shoes when not leaving the home.

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    a mamin
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    Can you imagine there are actually women out there waiting for a truthful answer to the question?

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    miamilawyer
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    Just when I thought we had run out of subjects for new threads that all discuss the same thing….

    You can add to the topics joseph cites above also the threads on driving, getting car rides, voting and many more.

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