Things that Cause one to Forget their Torah

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    sushee
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    What actions (or lack thereof) cause one to forget ones learning?

    The most prominent example that comes to mind is leaving a sefer open unattended.

    #1215753

    ED IT OR
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    or not doing chazora

    #1215754

    i love coffe
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    I also heard that if you put your clothes on backwards other than for tznius purposes, it causes one to forget their Torah.

    Another is, sleeping with your socks on. (Then how do all the people sleep without freezing in the winter?) IDK.

    #1215755

    smartcookie
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    Putting on 2 pieces of clothing at once.

    Eating olives.

    #1215756

    Think first
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    Eating olives more than once in 30 days.

    Putting on two articles of clothing at once

    Eating from the pot that food was cooked in

    I can’t tell u sources for these, however I grew up with these.

    #1215757

    Toi
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    go check out the sefer shmiras haguf vihanefesh (hanefesh vuhaguf?). I went through t once and dont remeber a thing. ironic no?

    #1215758

    MiddlePath
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    Anger.

    #1215759

    yitayningwut
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    I think that olives is a mistake. The Gemara in Berachos (35b) says that olive OIL, when swallowed without anything else, is dangerous for a person. If there is such a thing, I would guess it applies only to that. (If olives were truly not good for a person then why would one make a bracha on them?)

    #1215760

    ZeesKite
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    (CR-ing too much ???)

    #1215761

    ☕️coffee addict
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    Toi,

    Did you do something to forget where it was?

    #1215762

    HaLeiVi
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    Learninng quietly.

    #1215763

    sam4321
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    Walking between two women, eating something a mouse ate from,eating a heart of an animal,drinking water from leftover washing,washing one foot over the other,some say sleeping on ones clothing. The gemara in Horayos 13 has a list of things which makes it hard to learn.

    #1215764

    mommamia22
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    Isn’t it eating olives without adding olive oil to them?

    I forget 🙂

    #1215765

    ItcheSrulik
    Member

    I forgot.

    #1215766

    Toi
    Participant

    yit- its mivuar that olives are bad for remembering your learning if eaten often, but olive oil is good for it. the gemara says that if your marbeh bishemen you get chachmah. theres even a pshat in chumash that yaakov avinu had olive oil in his mateh, and he drank it to help his learning.

    #1215767

    Toi
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    sam4- isnt walking in between 2 women beause of AZ?

    #1215768

    sam4321
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    Yitay: Its a gemara in Horayos that one should not eat olives and drinking olive oil restores ones learning(berachos 35 where does it say that)?

    #1215769

    sam4321
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    Toi: gemara Horayos 13

    #1215770

    Toi
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    i remeber it talks about making a bracha cuz its a medicine with beet juice no?

    #1215771

    Tora Yid
    Member

    Old age?

    #1215772

    147
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    When you finish 1 Massechto in Daf Yomi, take a break from Daf Yomi to reveiew the Massechto you just terminated. Seeing the Gemorro some 30-60 days later instead of 2711 days later will be very good to cirumventing forgetfullness.

    Knowing even 1/4 of Shas even 1/2 resonably well, will work far more wonders for you than just tipping the ice berg of everything in 1 ear out the other ear.

    Follow this advice, and continue enjoying your Zayis + 14 other fruit come Tuesday nite/Wednesday Hamisho Ossor b’Shevat.

    #1215773

    longarekel
    Member

    R’ Chaim Kanievsky put out a sefer with a list of things that are kashe l’shikcha.(btw he himself said that he forgot to mention all of them). someone here mentioned wearing socks while sleeping and eating from a pot that food was cooked in. i never heard that and i would appreciate knowing a source, thanks. The gemara mentions quite a few but i wonder if that only applies to bavel or eretz yisrael. meaning, this sort of thing may depend on many factors and could change based on time and place. this would help explain why all this is not mentioned by rambam or shulchan aruch especially since doing something to forget one’s learning is an issur doraisa with severe consequences(avos 3-8)

    #1215774

    ravshalom
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    Isn’t it eating olives without adding olive oil to them?

    I forget 🙂

    Whole olives are ??? ?????. Olive oil is ??? ??????. Putting olive oil into olives is trying to break even.

    #1215775

    ☕️coffee addict
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    Ravshalom and mommamia,

    I heard from R Leibel Katz that it doesn’t cancel out and you forget some thing and remeber other things more

    #1215776

    sam4321
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    longarekel: they might mean the case of the residue left on a spoon from stirring meat in the pot if eaten. The Ben Ish Chai discusses these things as well .

    #1215777

    sam4321
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    #1215778

    computer777
    Member

    Cell phones & internet make one forget Torah.

    #1215779

    longarekel
    Member

    sam4321: thanks.

    #1215780

    koillel101
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    There are a lot of reasons why someone might forget their learning but not all are cuz of kasheh l’shickcha. some are more natural causes but one should be aware of them just the same

    #1215781

    Aside from the piece in the sefer by Rav Chaim Kanievsky, I have also heard that he said that all the things that are kashe l’shikcha are worse for people with bad memories and all the things that are mo’il lizakaron work better for people with good memories. Or something like that.

    #1215782

    yitayningwut
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    I stand corrected on the olive thing (though as the Gemara says, olive oil counteracts it).

    Sam –

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    #1215783

    sam4321
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    yitay: thanks didn’t see it was at the way bottom. we pasken that l’halacha no bracha on olive oil but how does that fit with the gemara in horayos( I guess it means it is eaten with something else)?

    #1215784

    besalel
    Participant

    Learning from an artcroll.

    #1215785

    besalel
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    i have found that when i learn out of a english translation of a sefer i tend to forget it quickly. when i learn from the original language and i need to think about the words in front of me actually say i remember it.

    #1215786

    Sam2
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    Besalel: Chas V’shalom. I remember the things that I learned from Artscroll better than those I learned from a normal Gemara. Artscroll is an incredible tool to learn how to learn for those who use it properly.

    #1215787

    besalel
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    i used to hink artcroll did more harm than good. i have learned that i was deeply mistaken. i am maskim that artcroll is a valuable tool. in fact, i am leaning towards replacing my jastrow with an artcroll. artcroll certainly has its place in the bais medrash. but that is not the same issue i was addressing.

    #1215788

    yitayningwut
    Participant

    sam4321 – Yeah, I guess it’s like you said.

    #1215789

    ha ha ha ha
    Member

    eating the very end of the challa bread (we always pinch off a piece from the end)

    eating the crumbs of challa makes you smart

    more can’t remember them;)

    #1215790

    twisted
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    I find it impossible to fall asleep with socks on. Must be something else that disorders my treasure chest.

    #1215791

    Knacke
    Member

    I think you’ll find that it’s actually sleeping with SHOES on, NOT socks thats the problem.

    Also, i recall seeing, (obviously i can’t remember where!:) ) that one should also be makpid about little kids not to wear shoes whilst sleeping, please don’t ask me why,where,what or who!

    Sheyirbeh zechuyoseinu!

    #1215792

    Knacke
    Member

    Also, if anyone has a source for not eating the ends of a chaloh,it would be very nice. My father, may The L-rd bless him,is a talmid muvhak of dayan veis (ba’al minchas yitzchok) from whom he garnered quite a few minhogim (aka chumrois!) so just out of interest, if anyone can help me find a mekoir i would be very grateful. Please donot tell me that reb chaim shlit”a says that theres no mekoir in his sefer-i know that already!!thank you klal yisroel -your an amazing bunch!-and may the redeemer come to zion speedily in our days and may The L-rd Elo*im wipe all tears from upon every face and may He bring a stop to all these tzorois!kol tuv!

    #1215793

    sam4321
    Participant

    knacke: here is a good explanation http://ohr.edu/ask_db/ask_main.php/87/Q1/

    #1215794

    sam4321
    Participant

    Knacke: regarding sleeping in shoes see Kaf Hachaim 211 http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=10169&st=&pgnum=304&hilite=

    #1215795

    HaLeiVi
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    How weird, sam4321, he makes up a reason (that doesn’t make sense) and uses that as if it is the reason, enough to say that it doesn’t apply anymore! It’s nice to find reasons, but to be that proud of your reason is silly.

    I say that it doesn’t make sense, since the ends that touch are no less baked than the dough in middle of the bread, which is thicker, and therefore further from the heat.

    Here’s another reason: The Mishna says that you have to leave Peya for the Shamash. Another one: I heard in the name of the Yaaros D’vash that the end represents the ‘outsiders’. And another yet: Since Chazal tell us that wheat gives Chochma we don’t want the fringes of Chochma.

    #1215796

    ED IT OR
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    besalel disable your spell check add-on or add artscroll

    #1215797

    sam4321
    Participant

    halevi: I don’t disagree with you, there really is no source. I did see once a reason which cites a passuk in Iyuv(20:21) leaving over which is the opposite brings bracha.

    #1215798

    skiaddict
    Member

    I know im my family we dont eat the ends of the challa because when we bentch and tell Hashem thank you for the food we want to show that we are satisfied and didnt need to eat every last drop, something like that.

    #1215799

    i love coffe
    Participant

    Sorry guys, I dont have a source for the sleeping with socks on. It’s just one of those things that I hear. Just like how I heard that a woman shouldn’t sit at the edge of a table or else she won’t get married for 7 more years…???

    #1215800

    Sam2
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    The Aruch Hashulchan says somewhere (maybe that first Siman) that there is nothing more degrading for a person than sleeping in shoes (not socks). I don’t think it’s mentioned on the memory things though.

    #1215801

    longarekel
    Member

    See Yoma 78 where sleeping with shoes is discussed. It is called ta’am misa. It applies to children as well.

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