February 22, 2010 3:06 am at 3:06 am #674757
i apologize for any personal attacks i have written.February 22, 2010 3:49 am at 3:49 am #674758oomisParticipant
Nathan, you too, are still very young. Your perceptions are grounded in youthful ideals, and you seem to be unable or maybe unwilling to see the other person’s point of view. Whether or not you agree with my opinion, there is an achrayus built into EVERY school that is housed on a residential block, to NOT set a negative precedent that may be picked up by others, who are even less concerned with the feelings of those residents on the block, especially if they do not normally belong there, but are there because rightly or wrongly they expect big doings at THE YESHIVAH.February 22, 2010 2:35 pm at 2:35 pm #674759
Oomis I fail to see what you want from the Yeshiva in question your right that yes a Yeshiva has achrayus and canceling a Purim Mesiba (a majot event)Ithe se would would impress upon people the sense of achrayus the Yeshiva has.
Then again it seems that what you really want is for the Yeshiva to rewrite the Gemora something that any Yeshiva would be unwilling to do.February 22, 2010 7:55 pm at 7:55 pm #674762aries2756Participant
Both Nathan and YFR has stepped over the line a bit here. What oomis is trying to tell you is there are many perspectives and points of view to every issue and if you take a small step to the right or left you can view the same issue from another person’s perspective.
Both Oomis and I are grandparents, so we have lived through our own generation of teen Purims, we have lived through our children’s generation of teen Purims and we are very concerned about the current and future Purims of our grandchildren and other family members, neighbors and friends.
On the other hand as young men, you are only privy to your own experiences that are relevant to your own age and lifestyles. When these two Chashuv Rabbonim come out in public to make this proclamation understand they didn’t do it on a whim. They did so for very serious reasons according to Halacha, Torah and experience. They have seen way more than either you or I and that is saying a lot from my perspective. You can’t possibly see the whole picture from your position as someone with more life experiences who have already traveled in your path.
WE know that you THINK you know everything. WE know that you THINK you know more than we do. But let me ask you this, have you not learnt anything in the last 4 years since you have been out of Yeshiva? Would you do the same things today that you did when you were 15 or 16 or has your more mature mind, body and soul taught you that some of those things were foolish and irresponsible. Well at our mature and experiences minds, bodies and souls WE are telling you that drinking outside the confines of the shiur at your own seudah table is foolish and irresponsible. It effects not only yourself but others around you, and you might not even wake up the next day remembering or knowing who you have to apologize to.
One more thing. When my son was in YFR, it was my daughter who drove his friends home after the mesibah at 2:00 AM. Their own families were not willing to wait up for them, nor did they arrange a designated driver. Was this because their own fathers were drunk as well? f Was it because they told their kids not to drink? Was it because they told their parents they wouldn’t drink?? These were YFR Beis Medrash boys who were smashed and believe me it was an ugly sight. They stayed away from our home for months after that because they were embarrassed from my daughter after my son told them how they got home. They knew they lost her respect and ours.February 22, 2010 8:04 pm at 8:04 pm #674763
“Maybe if the bochurim had kept their parties INDOORS where it was supposed to be, instead of running through the streets like behaimas or disturbing the peace int he middle of the night”
ninety five percent of the people at the party were inside, maybe 20 or 30 guys were outside and yes were making noise but a point that you have not addressed is one that this is one night a year. 365 days in a year and for one night there was a party where guys made noise. you are simply overrating it. i mean the people who live near wedding halls in brooklyn have a right to complain about the noise because it goes on probably a few times a week but for you and your neighbors to complain incessantly to the point where the yeshiva had to stop making a mesiba is ridiculous. another point i have is out of the maybe thirty guys hanging outside making noise 99 percent of them were on the hicksville side because that is where the entrance is to the basement where the party was held. out of 4 parties that i have been too in the yeshiva i have hung outside a little bit and it was always on hicksville. nobody went to frisco. and no one ran through the street like behaimas. you are seriously exaggerating what took place and overrating it and i feel like as an eyewitness for years at these parties i must refute the ridiculous claims u make.
man up? i am saying these things here cause this is a forum about drinking on purim and you were the one who first brought up the yeshiva that makes a ton of noise and i felt i had to point out that what you were saying is completely false because there wasnt a party in 3 years and if i should say my comments to your face then why do you say later the comments are not shayich to you? you are contradicting yourself
you have no makom telling me to grow up. i am very mature and your complaints are more immature than anything ive said so far.
i have never attempted to identify you. im not sure where you conjure these prepostorous things.February 22, 2010 8:22 pm at 8:22 pm #674764
aries: “WE know that you THINK you know everything. WE know that you THINK you know more than we do. “
i have never claimed such a thing and i obviously agree that you as an older person know more than me but in this instance i was at the parties and know firsthand what went on and although you may know more than me i am entitled to my opinion and do not and will not be spoonfed and believe everything older people say.
“One more thing. When my son was in YFR, it was my daughter who drove his friends home after the mesibah at 2:00 AM. Their own families were not willing to wait up for them, nor did they arrange a designated driver. Was this because their own fathers were drunk as well? f Was it because they told their kids not to drink? Was it because they told their parents they wouldn’t drink?? These were YFR Beis Medrash boys who were smashed and believe me it was an ugly sight”
i dont see a problem in getting a ride from your daughter. obviously if your daughter hadnt given them a ride they would have called their parents for a ride but why would they call for a ride if they got one. we all did that. i would tell my parents that hopefully il get a ride but if i dont il call for a ride or il just sleep by a friends house who lived close by. it is very chutzpadik of you to ask if their fathers were drunk as well. this is completely baseless and if the kids would not have gotten a ride with your daughter as i said befor tney would have called their parents. and it was not bec they were not allowed to drink. we were all allowed to drink. it was purim. the one time our parents let us drink was purim.February 22, 2010 8:53 pm at 8:53 pm #674765jphoneMember
Why the assumption that YFR was the implied Yeshiva? I dont live anywhere near the 5 towns and I can tell you that I assumed it was a reference to the yeshiva in MY neighborhood!
So it is 1 night out of the year. Whats your point? You cant be a (insert whatever word you wish here – the few that I have written and deleted were sure to be censored by the moderators) at any time and expect people to say “tomorrow things will be back to normal”. Is there a day off from acting like a yid?
Last year on Purim, an RV pulled up onto my corner around 11PM and started blaring music that could be heard (literally) 3-4 blocks away with the members of this group up dancing on the roof of the RV. No less than 25 people were outside within 5 minutes, some asking, some demanding, some pleading that they stop the music and let them and their kids sleep. Most of these people were not Jewish. Some were. “Its Purim” is not an excuse to act like a (censored). In fact, the fellows in this RV were escorted away by the police. Yes, that’s what it came to. Simchas Purim?February 22, 2010 11:01 pm at 11:01 pm #674766
Jphone; Am i missing something I thought you wrote some members of that group were not Jewish I would assume if thats the case it was not “simchas purim” they had in mind as for the Jews if they were going around with non-jews i don’t think they had Simchas Purim in mind either.February 22, 2010 11:46 pm at 11:46 pm #674767YW Moderator-80Member
Yes you missed something. The non-Jewish people described by j-phone were clearly in the annoyed group, not the annoying group.
I believe by pointing this out j-phone was highlighting the Chillul Hashem.February 23, 2010 12:06 am at 12:06 am #674768
jphone. in the case of yfr i know what went on firsthand and your story is not comparable at all. yfr’s mesiba was in the yeshivas dining room and yes people hung out outside but nobody was blaring music or any of the sort. the only people that may have been disturbed by the kids hanging outside were the houses mamash next to or across yeshiva. nobody down the block could have been dsturbedFebruary 23, 2010 12:07 am at 12:07 am #674769
Mod-80 thanks I read it over and seems I did miss something.February 23, 2010 3:28 am at 3:28 am #674770aries2756Participant
nathan, why did you assume oomis was talking about YFR and that she lives on Frisco in Far Rockaway? As she said, how do you know who she is or where she lives?
And by the way, the boys could not call their parents for a ride, they weren’t capable of remembering their own phone numbers, standing up straight or walking on their own!!! If my daughter didn’t take them home it would have been the janitor’s problem.
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