What I believe is the truth about the Iran war

1) the ayatollah bragged multiple times about their nuclear capabilities. Not that his word could be believed for anything, but it wasn’t Israel who started this narrative. There were known nuclear facilities and scientists in Iran. Obama and the UN both recognized the threat that was posed by Iran.

2) Nuclear concerns aside, Iran was the sponsor behind multiple terrorist entities, including Hamas and Hezbollah.
But–this is an important but–it’s not just an “Israeli war”. Iran supplied weapons to Russia and is believed to have proxies in Europe and America. Trump isn’t sending troops to help Netanyahu. He’s doing this because it’s in the general Western world’s best interest to down Iran.

3) In general, I would find it hard to believe that Netanyahu’s opinion influenced Trump that much, one way or the other. The hamas deal should poeve that

Would you rather roll the dice to see if you’re right or wrong until Iran drops a nuke on Tel Aviv?

Prepare yourself for the onslaught of name-calling and vituperation that will be coming in your direction.

philosopher thinks he lives in an alternate universe

no wonder — he grew up in ….

his comments are fitting for real antisemites

he apparently feels no achrayut whatsoever towards his brothers

there were people in WW2 who sold their own father and mother for a nezid adashim

wonder what philosopher would have done in those circumstances ….

hahamim hizahru bedivreichem ….
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@op
So there has been a thread opened recently about psychotic medication. I responded to that thread. Only one comment that I wrote has been published and then the thread was taken down. This is remncisnet to how so many were silenced in the media and in the medical industry about the covid-19 vaccine. Why can’t we let people argue and debate? People should be able to decided for themselves which side of the fence they are on and what they want for themselves regarding their health.

If there is silencing of this topic or other topics then it is because there are some who are afraid of a debate for good reason. Perhaps there is some truth they don’t want to hear.

To yankel berel

Comparing Carlson and Philosopher is inappropriate.

Yankel berel that’s a little bit of a stretch to say that. Calm. Down

“philosopher” – “Decisions made by Netanyahu and the leftists in the government and army is about politics, not security.”

Netanyahu isn’t a “leftist” at all, and neither is his government. They aren’t tzadikim either, but your posts make no sense.

philosopher, i do agree about Gaza but no need to discuss it here.
On Iran, you may be partly right. A lot of people here already made good points, so I won’t repeat them, just few more points to add…
This war can even shift leverage with China. The US can pressure many countries with trade, but China is different because we rely on them heavily and owe them a lot of money. But China needs oil, and they get a lot of it from Venezuela and Iran. If the US found a way to control or restrict that supply, it could change the balance and create leverage for better trade terms and possibly even negotiations around the national debt.
It also shifts the war in Russia since the drone factories are gone.

@philosopher
I didn’t read every comment. But i do think you are a bit proposing conspiracy theories and mixing it up with just plain very poor personality traits.

Lets start with Oct 7, sorry for being sharp but anyone who believes that Bibi intentionally knew about the attack and just ignored it for self gain (even if eh didn’t anticipate the extent) is just a full quack conspiracy theorist. I don’t think I need to provide rationale as to why a leader even a poor one and a “secular zionist” would never intentionally let other jews die. Its just insane.

Now here is the thing. Is Bibi guilty of ignoring warning signs? yes Is he guilty of ill prepping the army to respond both immediately and ground invasion? yes. And he was in charge for 25+ years (with a few small breaks). The buck stops at him. I will say that hamas played a good deception game. But still, he should have been at his game. So he is guilty of being careless. That’s probably because he is a bal gava and haughty. He thinks he is always the smartest and he is indeed wise but nobody is that wise. Thats not the same thing as saying he intentionally let it happen. Bibi is not inherently evil.

Now re Iran. There is much more data. There were inspectors there at the site. Israel even raided it once. To say nothing was going on like in Iraq, is again just wacky naive and ignoring the facts. It is true though that there is no proof that they were about to make the final pitch or just stop at kind of that 80% mark. In all likelihood they wanted to reach a point where its not fully there but its at a place where completing it isn’t that difficult all while saying its for their own energy needs. This is pretty clear. So where they on the “verge of completion”? And what does it mean that its completed. Does that mean luanch ready or just like the technology is there but its still another whole path to launch it. So maybe thats enough to say, now wasn’t the time yet maybe not. Thats debatable. But again lets not make it as if there was nothing there. That’s just denying the facts.

Perosnally I was more disturbed at Iran sponsoring Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis vs the nukes. That was clear. They deserved to go for that. And so Bibi was right anyhow.

Re your upbringing, I think depsite your open mind, satmar ideology still crept in (Not saying its extrreme NK but it has sprinkles of that). This is the same reba/ chasidus, who refsued to cooperate with the zionists during the war when jews could have been saved. The same people who say Kastener was evil and Ben hecht book is all true. The real truth is, while Kastner was no saint, he risked more to save jews than the frum rosh hakohul from Budapest who was complict in sending jews to their slaughter and lying to them. Satmar makes up facts. (They even cover up who saved the reba on 21 kislev)

The amount of bullying on here by querty and the like. Everyone calm down. People are allowed to state their oppion. What’s with the bashing and dehumanizing and bullying my goodness.
If your a Jewish person act like it. Be decent. Otherwise your a contradiction to your own upbringing

A lot of odd comments in this thread. And one oddity that keeps coming up is that several participants want to debate the nuclear issue til they’re blue in the face. Have you forgotten that during the negotiations it was the USA that sounded concerned primarily about the nuclear threat, whereas Israel was pushing to have the ballistic missile threat addressed?

In any case, does it really matter what reason a spokesperson uses as a talking point? It’s clear as day that in one way or another, for decades Iran has been behind the vast majority of security threats to Israel. Both the proxies and the ballistic missiles pose a very substantial threat to Israel – before you even get started talking about nuclear weapons.

And if you think this is something Israel can live with, take a moment to imagine if Mexico (or Mexican cartels) or Cuba or Venezuela had 2,000 ballistic missiles pointed at US cities. Would anyone deign to tell the USA they can learn to live with that?

to chaim87, I completely agree with Ben Hecht’s book that Israel IGNORED the massacre of Europe’s jews for their benefit but that does not mean that Netanyahu is purposely causing mayhem

@chaim 87

which frum rosh hakohol from budapest ?
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@Chaim87,
If it was really quack that these secular leaders of israel “really wouldn’t let Oct 7 happen”, than let me say this:

I understand you may want to whitewash history up until October 7, as many zionists may want to do, as it has become a point to latch onto, as if the world came into existence on October the 7th, but mate, I am sorry to tell you there is history to be told:

1. Well documented, e.g by Rabbi Weissmandl’s book Min Hameitzar and Rabbi Dr. Griffels book Timeline; Istanbul (printed by Artscroll), both describe in much detail the many times that rescue operations to save Jews in the Holocaust were either pushed off, sabotaged or directly blocked by zionists at the time, mainly being the Joint, for example, you may not be aware, but the Joint only after immense pressure by Rav Kotler zt”l and his war rescue organisation, did the joint even consider discussing rescue attempts for Jewry in Europe.
It was in 1942 (!!) that they finally opened the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee, and how? they allotted $250 for telegram cables regarding this, at the same time they were sitting on billions of dollars that could have been put to use in this, but no- rak bedam tiye lanu ha’aretz was their motto.

2. Bund was sent out of the way and imprisoned due to him trying to overrule the joints attempts at sabotaging rescue work.

3. Kastner first attempted to sabotage Rav Weissmandl’s train that would save many yidden, ultimately offering more to the nazis so that he can save the ones he wanted to, ones that would be “helpful” to the zionist cause and not some “unwanted” Hungarian Jews that might attest to the zionist cause, and guess what? the train got stuck at Auschwitz after all that, why? Cause Kastner wouldn’t pay up, who did in the end? The Shternbuchs, Rav Weissmandl and their organisation….

4. Dr Dehan was shot point blank, until today a celebrated murder in israel, because he nearly came to a peaceful agreement with the surrounding Arab nations to guarantee peaceful co-existence that wouldn’t be based on war, terror and generations of terrorists bred by hatred caused by the zionists.

5. Even with October 7th, there is so much information out there that you are either aware or unaware of, which points very strongly to this pattern, yes to say exactly what and how may touch on conspiracy, but if you look at the info itself without building conclusions, that is unsettling enough by itself, to suggest that someone somewhere was willing to let this slip through, without saying who.

So to say that those that question israels leaders in not caring about the spilling of Jewish blood are quacks is hopefully ignorant or ostrich-head-in-the-sand… unless of course you know the truth but cannot admit to it, cause it bashes at your zionist idol worship….

@pure-yiddishkeit
You’re ignoring the multiple instances of zionist murdering jews around the world the trigger hysteria and more emigration to the zionist slave state.
You’re ignoring that the zionist have happily mass murdered anti-zionist populations like the local arab populace of Palestine, zionists being the innovators ,uch of what we consider moder day terrorism, specifically bringing the terrorist culture to the Middle East, being the first perpetrators of civilian bus hijackings, public market bombing, bus bombings, ramming attacks on civilians, and random knifing of civilians to promote fear in the anti-zionist populations. all this was before the zionist founded their evil state. now they coordinate similar attacks either through “military” or “police” action or by proxy through sponsored terrorist group rivalries and attacks on civilians.

remember, the zionists are the greatest beneficiaries of antisemitism.

@pure yiddishkeit

I rest my case. Obviously you have never fully researched Katsner and the whole zionist rescue plans during the holocuast. Kastner and the zionists wnated to rescue all jews till May 1944 when they saw they couldn’t. These are well documented facts. R Michel Ber zl was a huhe tzadik but sadly he was played by the nazis. Eichman YMS never intended to shtel tzu to Brand (Bund) and it was all a ploy. Listen to the Verba testimony.Its archived. Its true that at the end Strenbauch sealed the last part of the deal. But no kastner did not try to sabotage. The whole thing was his doing from A till “Y” (vs z)

I have heard and researched both sides. You obviously are tainted by Satmar lies and Biases. This kind of proves my point. Continue drinking their kool aid. As reference listen to gerberer series and Jewish hstory podcast, its pretty accurate.

I just wanted to check where this anti zionist rant comes from and if you really are not biased. You prove otherwise when the facts are there.

@yankel berel: I do not want to publicly state his name in honor of his descendants. I don’t want to cause shame. But if you research the eichman trial and who was booted you’ll find it there. I know people who were close to the family too. We can’t judge what went through his mind. he claimed at the trail that the jews had no where to run anyhow so the deception didn’t harm anyone. But he did deceive despite being part of R Michoel Ber group.

Even R Michoel Ber Zl made a mistake. The tzadkik thought, he can bargin with nazis, Verba told him no way and they are just playing you. R Michoel Ber refused to publically display the full nazis cruelty. Yes he told his followers to run. But he did not want to sumbit the verba papers to the BBC till June/ July even though he had the auschwitz blue prints since March. He was afarid to anger the Nazis because he thoguht he could cut a deal. Eichamamn YMS was really just playing him

@therealcharidy did you research this? ben hecht was baised and a crazy secular movie star. Hardlly a reliable source. married to a shiktza at on epoint too.

@pure yiddishkeit

de haan was a terrible murder

but bibi is not responsible for it

you [and most other kanna’im] have to learn to differentiate between the various streams

and the various individuals

within the zionist movement

same regarding culpability for various injustices

just because someone is negligent in one instance , that does not mean that he is negligent in other instances

just because someone is negligent in this one instance , that does not mean that he is also malevolent even in the same instance

even a non zionist like me sees those differences , and there is no real reason any other fair minded person should not see those differences
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