What I believe is the truth about the Iran war

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    yankel berel
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    Am continuously amazed at the amount of black and white thinking I repeatedly read , from philosopher , pure yiddishkeit and more …

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    because bibi has an agenda to protect his own position , does that per force mean that he instigates problems with the arabs out of thin air ?

    bibi’s agenda to protect his own position is not stronger nor weaker than any other average politician on the globe

    because I disagree with the zionist approach , does that mean that everything they do or do not do , is malevolent ?

    because of many historical injustices [and many still exist] because of the zionists , does that mean that antisemites’ sewage becomes drinkable ?

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    Where is healthy thinking disappeared to ?
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    #2523067
    Chaim87
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    If your only informtion about the holocausts and zionists are the same 3 sources that satmar cooks up , a crazy guy like Ben Hecht or R michoel ber zl whose who himself was fooled by the nazis yms and sadly never recovered from that, then I rest my case. Of course you are baised and everything is the evil zionist fault. We don’t even admit that some chashuva frum jews were even worse than Kastner. Its sad how judiasm became a cult. Then we should give cwredince to your belif that Oct 7 was cooked up by evil zionists

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    Yaakov Yosef A
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    Philosopher, Pure Yiddishkeit, and Chaim87 – Everyone writes their own history after the fact, especially when facing trial and possible consequences for their actions. So I would take anything Kastner and Verba said with enough salt to kasher a pig, but I wouldn’t throw ALL the blame on Kastner either. The official Satmar account of the Kastner episode in מושיען של ישראל is actually more nuanced. The worst offenders were actually creatures like Yitzchok Greenbaum of ‘Mapam’ who openly said “one cow in Palestine is worth more than all the old Rabbis in Europe” עפ״ל. There WERE in fact real opportunities to save Jews, especially in Hungary when the Nazis were already desperate, mostly through the efforts of Frum [and Revisionist Zionist] people, but the Labor Zionists and American Reform, who held the purse strings, refused to do almost anything.

    But, as Yankel Berel has correctly pointed out, none of this has anything whatsoever to do with the current war.

    #2523157
    besalel
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    philosopher: turns out you were wrong about Iran not trying to produce a bomb. Almost half of Iran’s uranium enriched to up to 60% purity, a short step from weapons-grade, was stored in a tunnel complex at Isfahan and is probably still there, U.N. nuclear watchdog chief Rafael Grossi said on Monday.

    “What we believe is that Isfahan had until our last inspection a bit more than 200 kg, maybe a little bit more than that, of 60% uranium,” IAEA chief Rafael Grossi told reporters in Paris.

    He said the stock was “mainly” at Isfahan, and some held elsewhere may have been destroyed.

    “The widespread assumption is that the material is still there. So we haven’t seen – and not only us, I think in general all those observing the facility through satellite imagery and other means to see what’s going on there – movement indicating that the material could have been transferred,” Grossi said.

    “There is an amount (of 60% uranium) in Natanz also, which we believe is still there,” Grossi said.

    The IAEA estimates that when Israel launched its first attacks in June, Iran had 440.9 kg of 60% uranium. If enriched further, that would provide the explosive needed for 10 nuclear weapons, according to an IAEA yardstick.

    #2523272
    philosopher
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    besalel, I never said Iran didn’t try to produce an atom bomb. I said they didn’t have atom bombs and weren’t in a position today to produce the bombs. Cyberattacks on their facilities, targeting scientists and previous bombings had destroyed their production. Grossi said what he “believes” …”probably”…he did not say anything factual. In any case, my problem is not with bombing facilities, it is an all-out war over “maybe and probably ” that is what I am against.

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