Where can Israeli Jews escape to in case of emergency?

They won’t be able to escape. That’s one of the dangers of the State of Israel. It creates a false sense of security for the Jews living there. And although it might be a beautiful place to visit, it is actually the most dangerous place in the world for Jews to live, because on a practical level there is no other place in the world were such a large group of Jews live together under constant threat from their enemies. And I’m not referring to the local Arabs who can kill “merely” ten to a hundred Jews in a terrorist attack. I’m talking about countries that are capable of killing hundreds of thousands of Jews with a press of the button. And it will be no consolation for us that the State’s nuclear armed submarines annihilated Iran or whoever it was in response.

Litvisher,
Instead of spouting propaganda, think with your head. The State of Israel is the most dangerous place for Jews. I’m not talking about nuclear war, I’m talking about a nuclear attack on Israel for the purpose of killing Jews. You have to live in reality.
And Avi K., when you prove your credentials at interpreting and applying cryptic and prophetic pesukim you can get back to me. Till then, we live in a world of practical considerations.

Wow spread the truth

I’m taking that you never heard of the gulf war and what happened then

Spread the truth, if your Shita is that the evil Zionists conquered Israel against God’s wishes and that they are the Satan and Moshiach cannot come until the State of Israel is eradicated, then yes we are in huge trouble over here.

However, if your shita is that the fact that we have Eretz Yisroel in our possession is a huge Nes, especially considering that the country was conquered by Holocaust survivors (merely three years after it was over), in a defensive war against every surrounding country. Whether or not you agree or are happy with the government, if you view everything about Israel’s existence since then to be a Nes, you can definitely sleep a lot better at night.

Conditions under which Israelis would need to flee would probably involve serious use of weapons of mass destruction (also known as “doomsday” weapons). There would be no where to flee. There is a reasonable chance Americans would also have to flee. While it is unknown if the Israelis developed effective bio-chemical weapons, there is a saying each country bases strategy on the last war, and the worst case secenario, which leads one to suspect the Israeli “model” was how to survive if World War II went the other way, which suggests the Israelis would have developed weapons of mutually assured destruction.

Perhaps this is an argument to develop interplanetary travel.

@Spreadthetruth- Are you guys nuts? Im not spreading any propaganda I dont live in Israel and dont have an agenda to tell everyone to move there. As you can tell by my comments never mentioned any of that. Why do you feel you are so safe amongst the goyim in their land? THAT is where the false sense of security is not in Israel. Again Israel currently is also golus but at least it is the land where no one can “rightfully” say that you don’t belong. Anywhere else they can. If there was a war, Israel has an army of Jews that wants to protect other Jews. That is the least we can do. In America or anywhere else it is a non jewish army many who might have negative feelings towards Jews and might not want to protect Jews in the streets from Goyishe riots and violence against Jews in case of anti Semitism. And then where will you escape to? Will you have a choice?
Stop with the victimized helpless attitude of relying on living in goyishe lands where you feel protected. Of course we appreciate every moment of freedom but stop acting like someone is promising you that without change! Throughout the years we have been brutally beaten and killed, kicked out and almost exterminated out of all the lands in which were considered empires and in which we had much success in. This cause jealousy and fear against the Yidden which led to that outcome aside from “gezeiros fin shamayim.” Just look at the PRESENT day Europe and England look at the rise of anti-Semitism, look here in the United States of America where swastikas are freely appearing everywhere, homes, college campuses, shuls all the more frequently and with no fear of consequence. You are talking like a blind sheep being led to the slaughterhouse if you feel safe in a goyishe land without fear or even a chance that it might change.

During WW2 it seemed like Rommel would conquer EY c”v. In fact, the British were making plans to evacuate and the Jewish National Committee was making plans for a Massada-style last stand on Mt. Carmel. At the time Rav Herzog was in DC to ask FDR to bomb the tracks leading to the concentration camps. FDR said that he was willing to save one Jew – Rav Herzog – and offered him an iummigrant’s visa. Rav Herzog paskened that the Third Commonwealth would not be destroyed. The rest is history.

BTW, the Gemara (Yoma 10a) says that there will be a war between Rome and Persia. There is a machloket as to who will win. This could include a brief confrontation between Iran and Israel (Sanhedrin 98b) after which Mashiach will come.

joseph’s house…klal yisroel can use both the upstairs guestrooms

Avi K.,
Please, Rav Herzog didn’t “pasken” anything like that. He was a talmid chochom, not a Navi. Don’t believe garbage stories like that. And for sure dont build a whole hashkafa out of it.

“Eretz Asher Tomid Einei Hashem Elokecho Bah Meirashis Hashono Ad Achris Shono”. This Passuk has been proven reliable time and time again.

Spread,
1. A nuclear attack on Israel would also result in the destruction of the entire middle East from the fallout. Nit ti mention the fact that Israel may well have a few nukes of its own.
2. There already is a holocaust going on in America. It is called assimilation and even frum communities are effected, if not by actual intermarriage by acculturation.
3. The story about Rav Herzog is aknown fact.

Joseph, what about the pogroms and the Holocaust? As for statistics today, what is it per 100,000 Jews? Not to mention general crimes which are not specifically directed against a person because he is Jewish. Israel has a much lower intentional murder rate than the US and also lower than Canada and several European countries- and a good part of the murder rate is “family honor” killings within the Arab sector.

“I ain’t escaping to nowhere; I am definitely safer here than I ever was in UK or US.”

Sounds much like the attitude among some German Jews, circa 1930s.

לפי שהם ימי עבודה והכנעה ופחד ומורא מהשם ויראה ממנו ומברח ומנוס אליו

If you are afraid of living in Israel, Im sure the Ukranians would love to have you return to our shtetls

Oh goody!

Between this thread and the one about Religious Zionism, we can read more of Joseph’s hate-filled posts quoting V’yoel Moshe like it’s the holy grail!

Good points, Avi K. The traffic fatality rate is also much lower in Israel (in terms of people per 100,000 population who die each year in car accidents), because people drive so much more in the US. Opiate overdose deaths are also very common in the US. Suicide rate in the US is higher. 9/11 killed a number of Jews. Over 50 Jewish US troops have died in Iraq or Afghanistan. If you all all these extra deaths together, they probably make it statistically safer to live in Israel since 1948 ( and definitely since the 2nd Intifada ended — very few, comparatively speaking, have died in terror attacks since then.)

Neville, you apparently know very little about what is going on outside your block. American and Canadian campuses are hotbeds of anti-Semitism. Europe is reeling from one terror attack after another. Jews in Paris are attacked in their own homes. Meanwhile Jews are intermarrying in record numbers.

Phil,
Who told you that it’s a da’as yochid? On the question of whether or not to vote he was a da’as yochid, but not on the more substantial ideas. I’ve studied this for years (both sides; I served for the IDF in Lebanon and Gaza for a fifteen months as well, so I haven’t just talked the talk). Of course you don’t plan to ever read it. Most people are like that. They’re big talkers, but little to show for it. Please explain to me about this da’as yochid business. What do even know about the Satmar Rebbi’s da’as?

ובהר ציון תהיה פליטה this chazal was quoted by non other then the chofetz chaim zt’l when asked before the war where jews would be safe and he quoted the above chazal
their is the famous story about the tzadik reb shloymka zhviller zt’l who went to daven at the OHR Hachaim ztls kever and promised that the jews would be safe and protected from the NAZIS YIMACH SHEMOM
he died shortly thereafter and i was said at the time that his demise was a kapara =meesass tzadikim mechaper and saved eretz yisroel from the nazis (ROMMEL who was across the seuz canal right across the border from israel )

Truth,

After 1948 who else held that the State was literally a ma’aseh Satan that was holding back Moshiach? The overwhelming majority of both Israeli and American gedolim viewed it as a new reality that had to be dealt with.

I realize that people like Joseph love jumping up and down with glee anytime a Jew is hurt or killed in Israel. However, that doesn’t come from their great holiness, only their great hatefulness.

Perhaps America can be a safehaven for Israeli Jews seeking to escape.

Neville ,
1. That is how it started in Germany and Poland (although there they told Jews to go to “Palestine”). The fact of the matter is that there is a climate of fear on American campuses. A tenured professor at CT College, Andrew Pessin, was forced to leave after he received death threats over his protest of Hamas war crimes.
2. That certainly is connected to this thread. How is America safe for Jews if there is rampant assimilation (in fact, it is not inconceivable that those who refuse to date non-Jews will be ostracized as racists).
3. What is the difference tot he victim if he is killed by a political terrorist, a crazed gunman or a common criminal? The fact of the matter is that the intentional homicide rate in Israel is much lower than in America.

Phil,
I highly doubt that Joseph feels any happiness when a jew is Israel is hurt or killed. I think that’s a terrible thing to say about someone. Joseph has the right (if not the responsibility) to point out that living in Israel is more dangerous than almoat any other civilized place in this world.

spreadthetruth – you are an interesting cross between joseph and kj, but your last post is so contrived that it is almost funny. Do you make these things up or are you repeating something someone else made up?