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In the words of Rambam, I am perplexed. Once again I find myself in a crisis of faith. We are told that there is more Torah being learned, more tzedaka being given and more chesed being done today than at any time in Jewish history. Yet Hashem is still permitting the anti-Semites to plot against us, to fight us physically in the streets of Brooklyn, France and everywhere in between and curse us. We are told that Hashem will watch over us and protect us from our enemies. Where is Hashem’s answer to all that is being done to us now?
Hi everyone!
I’m not online much at all these days; an observer shared this with me. I responded what to post, but it was left to me.“We are told that there is more Torah being learned, more tzedaka being given and more chesed being done today than at any time in Jewish history.”
Those that are being told this aren’t the ones that are purportedly the outstanding Torah learners, tzedaka givers, or chessed doers. I would assume that those outstanding people have a different question than yours.
In sum, it would follow to say that precisely because we are being told these things and not doing our utmost to partake in it, is why all this is happening to us.
Approximately 10% to 20% of Jews are Orthodox and Shomer-Shabbat.
Other Jews are intermarrying with non-Jews at a rate much higher than 50%.
Hundreds of thousands of Jews have converted to the religions of the Gentiles.
Even among Orthodox Jews, there are HUGE amounts of Lashon HaRa being spoken.
When people hear Lashon HaRa, the result that occurs most often is that
the listeners immediately accept the Lashon HaRa as being 100% true,
even without the smallest amount of evidence,
and even when the person who started the rumor is stupid and wicked.There are more problems, but I want to limit the length of this comment,
and also limit the amount of time that I spend writing this comment.Learn Navi and you’ll have your answer. Nothing is new. Just do yours, Hashem will do His.
Don’t be so arrogant to think you know better.5T, maybe compare your nisayonos with how we lived in the previous centuries? I don’t think any of five towns is surrounded by a wall with a church at the entrance, like Rome ghetto did.
This is the fourth thread basically saying the same question and you’ve got numerous answers on the other thread
I suggest counseling for ptsd
>>>We are told that there is more Torah being learned, more tzedaka being given and more chesed being done today than at any time in Jewish history.
Firstly who told you that? Secondly even if true, since the first Beis Hamakidash there was no probably no time in Jewish history that had the favorable external circumstances allowing for Torah being learned and tzedaka being given. (I’ve never heard anyone make that claim about chesed) Thirdly antisemites have bechira even today
Hashem is hiding under a lace top Sheitel & his face is blocked by a smartphone.
Hashem is here, Hashem is there, Hashem is truly everywhere.
One ger tzedek asked a similar question: we have now 100 times more yeshiva students than at the time of Rambam. Where are 100 Rambams?
5TResident:
In short, if you are a Zionist, then it is very understandable why you are confused.The root cause of antisemitism is, of course, assimilation. Zionism is an extremely strong force of assimilation. Its very purpose is to change Jews and Judaism into Zionists and Zionism – without G-d and Torah, of course.
(Over the past few years, particularly since the snakes at “Eretz HaKodesh” began spewing their lies and propaganda, Zionism has unfortunately infiltrated the frum world like never before. This is very, very, concerning, Hashem Yishmereinu!)
When the Zionist paradise was founded (in 1948), the Brisker Rav became physically ill. The Chazon Ish tried to make him feel better by invoking the Chazal that a Gezeira raah avida liHiBatla, meaning that a bad decree will at some point be nullified. The Brisker Rav answered him that this is only true when people recognize this bad decree as such. But if they think it is a good thing, then this dictum does not apply.
So, if you care to stop antisemitism (and to make G-d happy), then perhaps you could spread the word in your locale that Zionism is not Judaism (for starters – it’s actually its polar opposite), and that people should be very clear that, even if they support the Zionist paradise politically, they must still fully recognize that the Zionist paradise is shmad and a disaster for Jews (because that is simply the facts on every level – both spiritual and physical) and, most importantly, that it is only a Zionist entity, not a Jewish entity. Then, we will surely merit the nullification of all bad decrees CH”V and the coming of Moshiach BB”A.
Just because we learn Torah, does not mean we LEARNED from the Torah. The amount of HATE towards other Jews, even from people on the blog, is embarrassing.
The amount of HATE towards Eretz Yisroel is embarrassing!No wonder we do not see Hashem and experience anti semitism.
Actually, the Torah-centric neighborhoods aren’t suffering from antisemitism. So I guess that’s where Hashem is.
But really, this current wave, although scary, is a far cry from what we read about in past generations. Assuming and hoping it is a precursor to the final redemption, it is mild and well worth it.
We were not promised to get rich and well off on this world on an individual level, as a reward for keeping Mitzvos. The nation as a whole was promised such things, as reward for loyalty but not as payment for doing the Mitzvos.
We do know that a person earns Heavenly favor when s/he clings to Hashem, his Torah and His Mitzvos. This should translate to personal safety and success such as we find by the Avos, but none of us individuals can seriously proclaim that Hashem owes us something.
Remember: we were created to serve Hashem, not the other way around.
AAQ,
There are 100’s of Rambams today they just are not in the Bais Medrash. The Rambam was quite the unusual figure to say the least. From his explanations to novel interpretations to his study & vast understanding of Non-Jewish philosophy.
Today, anyone with an approach even close to the Rambams has been thrown out of Yeshiva & labeled a “Kofer”@5TRESIDENT, dont listen to the haters. These types like to feel they are something by berating someone else online. Best to discuss this with an open minded Rabbi who you trust. We dont know Hashems ways and plans all we can do is our part and the best that we can. Yes the recent years brazen and growing anti semitism is definitely concerning and it seems it is only getting worse. The plague of anti semitism has been awaken once again.
5TResident:
If you are seeking Chizuk why is it in the guise of questioning Hashem?
Coffee Addict has pointed out three other threads along these lines that you have started.
All four come with a dose of questioning that I have rarely seen outside of angsty teens.I think you can agree that it looks as though you are trying to get others to question their faith as well (even if that is not your intention at all).
Perhaps you should seek Chizuk from an individual (Rabbi, Rebbetzin, therapist your choice) in private.
5TResident,
“In the words of Rambam, I am perplexed. Once again I find myself in a crisis of faith. We are told that there is more Torah being learned, more tzedaka being given and more chesed being done today than at any time in Jewish history. Yet Hashem is still permitting the anti-Semites to plot against us, to fight us physically in the streets of Brooklyn, France and everywhere in between and curse us. We are told that Hashem will watch over us and protect us from our enemies. Where is Hashem’s answer to all that is being done to us now?”
Where is Hashem’s answer? He told us exactly what was going to happen to us. We lein it quietly and quickly in parshas Ki Savo. We hear it also in parshas Haazinu. We are in golus, R”L. Our Beis Hamikdash was burned to the ground, and we were exiled from our land. Antisemitism is a part of that. To me, the absolute irrationality of antisemitism really points to Hashem’s absolute control. We just said at our seders, not just one as risen up to annihilate us, in every generation they rise up to annihilate us. Why does our existence make evil people so angry? It’s hard, it’s horrible. We don’t understand it. But Hashem will avenge us. הַרְנִ֤ינוּ גוֹיִם֙ עַמּ֔וֹ כִּ֥י דַם־עֲבָדָ֖יו יִקּ֑וֹם וְנָקָם֙ יָשִׁ֣יב לְצָרָ֔יו וְכִפֶּ֥ר אַדְמָת֖וֹ עַמּֽוֹ . And we will be returned to our land and our Beis Hamikdash.
Re: learning and chessed – we shouldn’t focus on comparing quantity. Are we each taking full advantage of the unique opportunities we have in this generation to learn? I’ll confess that my beis medrash has comfortable chairs. It has air conditioning in the summer, and heat in the winter. It has a coffee room stocked with those K-cup things, teas, instant taster’s choice chemical coffee powder for ujm, sugar, fake poison sugar for those who want cancer instead of diabetes, plastic spoons, and a fridge with whole milk, half and half, artificial creamers for those who had steak for breakfast, and sometimes kiddush leftovers. We get bribed to come learn with bagel breakfasts, tuna salad, and cholent on Thursday nights. And you know what? Despite all of that, I’m not in there anywhere near as much as I should be. I’m really not 🙁
One more thought on today’s unique eruption of antisemitism. I grew up not frum. The “Judaism” of my childhood was essentially liberal politics dunked into matzo ball soup. The social justice issue du joir was the focus of the weekly sermon. That trend has only accelerated, and I can only watch with open mouthed astonishment as these Jews are now getting banished from these liberal secular spaces. There’s yad Hashem in that. ס֚וּרוּ ס֙וּרוּ֙ צְא֣וּ מִשָּׁ֔ם
Don’t you remember what we all said at the seder? Hashem said that not just one generation BUT EVERY GENERATION. Will hate klal yisroel with unlimited antisemitism……. Even in the Medina shel chessed of the USA look at the hatred and antisemitism going on and getting worse daily rachmana litzlan.
Hashem is waiting for us to wake up from living in denial and face reality and accept Hashems wake up call for serious teshuva and Achdus together as one loving nation so Hashem can send Mashiach already bkarov.
The wicked NETUREI KARTA give big chizuk to all people who hate Jews.
The wicked NETUREI KARTA do this by publicly agreeing with people who hate Jews.
The wicked NETUREI KARTA do this by publicly marching with people who hate Jews.
The wicked NETUREI KARTA should have been placed in CHEREM a long time ago.
smerel- uh no, the antisemites cant touch us if hashem doesnt want them to (source: the thirteen ikarim of the rambam)
kuvult- to be fair we pasken against the rambam in hashkafa, r’ ovadia yosef apparently would not count dardaim for a minyan, dardaim are yemenite jews who go fully after the rambam in every area and therefore do not believe in kabbala etc. (this does NOT mean the rambam himself would be considered such, rather once a shitah has been accepted by all of klal yisrael, one may not differ see zakein mamrei)
Yuma 9B gives the clearest answer to the question of this post:
אבל מקדש שני שהיו עוסקין בתורה ובמצות וגמילות חסדים מפני מה חרב מפני שהיתה בו שנאת חנם ללמדך ששקולה שנאת חנם כנגד שלש עבירות ע”ז גלוי עריות ושפיכות דמים רשעים היו אלא שתלו בטחונם בהקב”ה אתאן למקדש ראשון דכתיב (מיכה ג, יא) ראשיה בשוחד ישפוטו וכהניה במחיר יורו ונביאיה בכסף יקסומו ועל ה’ ישענו לאמר הלא ה’ בקרבנו לא תבוא עלינו רעה לפיכך הביא עליהן הקב”ה ג’ גזרות כנגד ג’ עבירות שבידם שנאמר (מיכה ג, יב) לכן בגללכם ציון שדה תחרש וירושלים עיין תהיה והר הבית לבמות יער ובמקדש ראשון לא הוה ביה שנאת חנם והכתיב (יחזקאל כא, יז) מגורי אל חרב היו את עמי לכן ספוק אל ירך וא”ר (אליעזר) אלו בני אדם שאוכלין ושותין זה עם זה ודוקרין זה את זה בחרבות שבלשונם ההיא בנשיאי ישראל הואי דכתיב (יחזקאל כא, יז) זעק והילל בן אדם כי היא היתה בעמי ותניא זעק והילל בן אדם יכול לכל תלמוד לומר היא בכל נשיאי ישראל ר’ יוחנן ור”א דאמרי תרווייהו ראשונים שנתגלה עונם נתגלה קצם אחרונים שלא נתגלה עונם לא נתגלה קצם אמר רבי יוחנן טובה צפורנן של ראשונים מכריסו של אחרונים א”ל ריש לקיש אדרבה אחרונים עדיפי אף על גב דאיכא שעבוד מלכיות קא עסקי בתורה אמר ליה בירה תוכיח שחזרה לראשונים ולא חזרה לאחרונים שאלו את רבי אלעזר ראשונים גדולים או אחרונים גדולים אמר להם תנו עיניכם בבירה איכא דאמרי אמר להם עידיכם בירה
Yuma 9B gives the clearest answer to the question in this post:
אבל מקדש שני שהיו עוסקין בתורה ובמצות וגמילות חסדים מפני מה חרב מפני שהיתה בו שנאת חנם ללמדך ששקולה שנאת חנם כנגד שלש עבירות ע”ז גלוי עריות
ושפיכות דמים רשעים היו אלא שתלו בטחונם בהקב”ה אתאן למקדש ראשון דכתיב (מיכה ג, יא) ראשיה בשוחד ישפוטו וכהניה במחיר יורו ונביאיה בכסף יקסומו ועל ה’ ישענו לאמר הלא ה’ בקרבנו לא תבוא עלינו רעה לפיכך הביא עליהן הקב”ה ג’ גזרות כנגד ג’ עבירות שבידם שנאמר (מיכה ג, יב) לכן בגללכם ציון שדה תחרש וירושלים עיין תהיה והר הבית לבמות יער ובמקדש ראשון לא הוה ביה שנאת חנם והכתיב (יחזקאל כא, יז) מגורי אל חרב היו את עמי לכן ספוק אל ירך וא”ר (אליעזר) אלו בני אדם שאוכלין ושותין זה עם זה ודוקרין זה את זה בחרבות שבלשונם ההיא בנשיאי ישראל הואי דכתיב (יחזקאל כא, יז) זעק והילל בן אדם כי היא היתה בעמי ותניא זעק והילל בן אדם יכול לכל תלמוד לומר היא בכל נשיאי ישראל ר’ יוחנן ור”א דאמרי תרווייהו ראשונים שנתגלה עונם נתגלה קצם אחרונים שלא נתגלה עונם לא נתגלה קצם אמר רבי יוחנן טובה צפורנן של ראשונים מכריסו של אחרונים א”ל ריש לקיש אדרבה אחרונים עדיפי אף על גב דאיכא שעבוד מלכיות קא עסקי בתורה אמר ליה בירה תוכיח שחזרה לראשונים ולא חזרה לאחרונים שאלו את רבי אלעזר ראשונים גדולים או אחרונים גדולים אמר להם תנו עיניכם בבירה איכא דאמרי אמר להם עידיכם בירהHakatan
You’re anti Zionism is always funny
but this one might be my favorite
“. Zionism is an extremely strong force of assimilation.”This is the exact opposite of the truth
Zionism as evil as you think it is is the strongest antidote to assimilation. Intermarriage without zionism eg in America is over 50% . In Israel it is negligible. In Israel as you may know all can read and write Hebrew making it much easier to come backKeshem shezachinu L’eschalta d’geula kein nizkeh lishmoa kol shofro shel moshaich
%Tresident
you need to brush up on your history
We have it better than almost any generation in hisotry since the churban.
Is it perfect? no of course not we are still in galus and their is much suffering .some street fights has you all nervous? compared to our ancestors its amazng. Question is the reverse why do we deserve to have it so good? maybe all the torah and chesed you mentioned maybe its pure love from Hashem to give us a respite after the horrors of the Holocaust
>>>smerel- uh no, the antisemites cant touch us if hashem doesnt want them to (source: the thirteen ikarim of the rambam)
Um…Where in the thirteen ikarim of the rambam does it say that Hashem took away the bechira of the anti-semites today?
There is a machlokes in the Rishonim whether a rasha would still have the bechira to kill a Tzadik who took all safety precautions and did not have in his mazal to die at a certain point but we will leave that aside. Where in the thirteen ikarim of the rambam does it say that Hashem took away the bechira of the anti-semites TODAY?
ubiquitin,
You said…We have it better than almost any generation in hisotry since the churban..
That is false! It’s better even from the times BEFORE the churban. We don’t have kings killing our Talmedai Chachamin. We don’t have kings putting idols in the Baid Hamikdash.
We have a government that provides for the needy and Torah!! All that is missing are frum Jews davvening for Moshiach since they are too busy hating other Jews.
smerel- many have tried to destroy us and failed miserably, did they have bechira? of course but Hashem didnt allow them to touch us
Bechira doesn’t mean that this world is a free-for-all. Qll it means is that people get to choose whether to do Mitzvos or Aveiros. But whether they succeed against others depends on many factors.
Historic events were never referred to by Chazal as simply yhe bad choices of our enemies.
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