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    yankel berel
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    @somejew

    time to wake up from your self induced permanent sleep ….

    and start thinking fresh …..

    without any of your hanachot kedumot ….

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    I do not belong to any church

    zionism is not my god

    my boys do not go to the army , bh for that

    and if my grandmother woud have had wheels she would be a car

    what difference does it make what would have , could have or should have been ?

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    what is !

    “what is” , is the only halachic relevant issue to consider ,

    and the main part of “what is” , you consistently ignore …

    ignore , or plainly lie about ….

    you ignore and lie about the clear mass p/n which will arise if the IDF stops its activities .

    no amount of cursing , no amount of forcibly consecrating people as priests into a religion they have no part of , no amount of blaming arsonists …

    is going to make even one dent in this reality

    and as long as you are unwilling to take off your blinders , you will continue to be megaleh panim batorah shelo kahalacha

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    #2504303
    mdd1
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    YYA, LOOK in Rambam Hilchos Melochim (5:1) where he paskens that a Melech Yisroel is allowed to wage war to increase his renown. Ab kdei kach!

    #2504509
    Yaakov Yosef A
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    mdd1 – Re. Rambam

    In today’s terms that may be what is called ‘deterrence’. Milchemes Reshus can only be initiated by a Halachic King, with the approval of the Sanhedrin. What does that have to do with anything after the Churban Bayis Rishon?

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    YYA,
    I am glad we agree on almost anything, except a couple of technical points:
    1) do we need to have observant doctors/engineers or could we just rely on goyim and secularists
    2) would it be a high ruchani price/bitul zman for doing that
    3) we can do great chesed with our bare hands, why do I need specialized training

    On (1), you might use “charedi”, instead of “observant”, but this would be unfair – as the “charedi” might already mean the answer you prefer.
    One line of answers is in RYBS yiddish article after YU created a medical school and people were up in arms – we wanted a rabbinical school, why is it expanding to medicine. The (bedieved, in the author’s words) answer was that Jews always had problems with non-religious doctors and pharmacists who were not sensitive to Jewish issues. This is not very persuasive, I think, and does not extend to other jobs, though – Iron dome seems not to need to know where techum shabbat is. So, maybe we need hatzolah/gynecologists/psychologists, but not dermatologists. But take this to the extreme – imagine all currently observant Jews become charedi, with all learning and only marginal presence of chaverei and chaveros knesset in the society. Would this be healthy? probably not. If so, then you are explicitly relying on non-charedi observant Yidden to take care of our role in society [I am inverting here your clever argument about charedi demographic contribution]. This is great – as long as we all acknowledge each other’s contribution. But if your community looks down on others [possibly because of self-preservation necessity], then this is not working.

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