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    CTLAWYER
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    CoffeeAddict………….

    sometimes I can’t get to the CR, or may not have seen a post.

    Today not only are we getting ready to marry off our daughter in the next 10 days, but Mrs. CTL was just told she needs immediate surgery…so the time for narishkeit is limited.

    as for comparing speaking fees.

    Hillary as a former Secretary of State commands the same average 200K as Colin Powell. She is not to be compared to Laura, lets run a stop sign and kill someone Welch Bush…who never held public office, but was married to a President or Atty. Michelle Obama who gave up a mid 6 figure salary when her husband was elected and is not on the speaker circuit and won’t be until after his term ends. She would command more than $1 million in salry should she want to return to private legal practice.

    The Laura comment is for the benefit of Health who keep trying to pin deaths on Hillary, while Laura Welch (Bush) drove through a stop sign at a reported 50 MPH in Midland Texas (1963) and snuffed out a life.

    #1190372

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    Refuah sheleimah to Mrs. CTL.

    #1190373

    ☕️coffee addict
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    Lol at ctlawyer,

    I asked you to prove your claim, you didn’t answer

    I asked you why the ambassador emailed Hillary if it wasn’t her job, no answer

    And you choose to answer my comparison for speaking fees by saying Laura bush hit into a tree and Michelle would command 6 figures, which dodges the claim that Clinton is in a different category than other people and you can’t compare her to a president

    And then you claim you’re busy yet you answer health’s claim

    Like I said before how do you prove a democrat wrong, if he avoids your questions

    And mazel tov on your daughter and refuah sheleimah to your wife

    #1190374

    CTLAWYER
    Participant

    Addict…….

    I’ve limited time and access today.

    Why does an ambassador contact the Secretary of State? Because the ambassador must follow the chain of command, then the SOS contact Secretary of Defense or President (Commander of Chief). Whether or not this was don is a different question. As I stated earlier I’m not pledged to Hillary or supporting her.

    My answer about speaking fees is to show that A former Senator and Secretary of State should not be compared with the former Librarian who was married to GW B and Mrs. Obama, a sitting First Lady is not on the speaker circuity. The 6 figure I mentioned was the salary she was earning way back in 2007 as a top level Chicago attorney. If she goes on the speaker circuit after the President leaves office I imagine she will receive fees in excess of 100K.

    I NEVER said Laura the Librarian hit a tree, I said she went through a stop sign at a reported 50 MPH and killed another person. I’m embarrassed to have been born in the same hospital in the same post war baby boom as GWB. We in CT were thrilled when his parents left for Texas.

    OTOH your personal sentiments are appreciated.

    #1190375

    Health
    Participant

    CTlawyer -“The Laura comment is for the benefit of Health who keep trying to pin deaths on Hillary”

    “Because the ambassador must follow the chain of command, then the SOS contact Secretary of Defense or President (Commander of Chief). Whether or not this was don is a different question.”

    This is typical of a democrat, questioning whether the DOD did their job!

    If it’s true, that the blame lied with the DOD, why did State Department fire some employees?!?

    They should get their job back & file a lawsuit!

    #1190376

    CTLAWYER
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    Health………

    Whether or not this was done, does NOT apply to DOD. It is a question about what action Clinton took. I am not shifting or placing blame

    Typical of a Republican twisting my words….see I can throw your nonsense right back at you.

    I’ll not waste another moment responding to you on this subject…your agenda is obvious, you wish to pillory Hillary.

    #1190377

    The Queen
    Participant

    Sorry to hear that Mrs. Designs homes is unwell. Refuah Shelaima.

    #1190378

    Health
    Participant

    CTlawyer -“your agenda is obvious, you wish to pillory Hillary.”

    That’s correct! Do you think that the embassy had adequate protection? If not, why didn’t Hillary give the order to evacuate?

    From the Washington Post:

    “Sept. 12, e-mail recounting phone conversation with Egyptian foreign minister:

    And there are people who want to give her the keys to the country!

    #1190379

    nfgo3
    Member

    Re coffee addict: “how do you prove a Democrat wrong?” The simple answer is, the same way you prove anything wrong, with relevant facts and sound reasoning. And, based on the answer you offered to your own question, I would be right.

    #1190380

    ☕️coffee addict
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    Nfgo3,

    I don’t get what you are insinuating

    I’m sorry if I didnt use proper English, what I meant was “how do you know you proved a democrat wrong” if he doesn’t answer your question

    He still hasn’t answered how he can twist the language of what the website says regarding the duties of the Secretary of State

    #1190381

    mw13
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    O’Reilly vs. Krauthammer: Is Trump Fit To Be President?

    Charles Krauthammer and Bill O’Reilly spar on Donald Trump’s general election candidacy. Krauthammer said the “American parties are changing its political ideology radically.” He told O’Reilly he has not decided if he will vote for Trump in November.

    Transcript, via FOX News Insider:

    #1190382

    dbrim
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    Golfer, I agree with you 100%. Everyone please re-read golfer’s post – it is one of the few coherent ones here. Only people blindly loyal to the democratic party could vote for Clinton – her husband is an embarrassment to humankind and she is a blatant anti-semite. So open your eyes – on second thought, maybe Clinton as prez will be the impetus for American Jewry to move to E”Y.

    #1190383

    👑RebYidd23
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    It doesn’t even matter if she’s pro or anti anything, because above all, Hillary wants what’s best for Hillary. If Bill Clinton is First Lord he will take up some cause like preventing drug addiction in puppies and his wife the president will slip into another acting role: that of an actual presidential president. Since it is in her best interest to appear to be a good president, she will do what people think is best for the country.

    #1190384

    CTLAWYER
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    dbrim…………

    No, people vehemently opposed to Trump could vote for the Democratic candidate (not yet determined, but probably Clinton) without being blindly loyal to a party.

    #1190385

    rabbiofberlin
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    dbrim-and others-Trump is a menace to society. he is a “national socialist”- proudly advertising his nationalism and his programs-trade tariffs, coercion of companies, protectionism-are pure socialist.

    Remember who was the last “national socialist” leader…..Trump loves his book.

    #1190386

    👑RebYidd23
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    If I vote, I’ll vote for whoever the Green Party nominates. I refuse to help a Republican or Democrat win.

    #1190387

    Health
    Participant

    ROB -“Remember who was the last “national socialist” leader…..Trump loves his book.”

    Stop comparing Trump to Hitler!

    Hillary can’t protect us against terrorism or Nukes!

    You’re a born Socialist/Communist even if it destroys our country!

    #1190388

    moi aussi
    Member

    Why does it have to be either Trump or Clinton? Can’t we hope for a third independent party to join the race?

    Let’s daven, Hashem can bring us the perfect candidate.

    #1190389

    Health
    Participant

    Moi Aussi -“Can’t we hope for a third independent party to join the race?”

    Maybe you?!? One of the reasons some are going for Hillary – is because she’s female. You could get those votes!

    #1190390

    rabbiofberlin
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    Health-and trump lovers: Someone who has “that” book by the last nationalist socialist as his bedside reading is indeed a follower of the heinous author……No ifs or buts….

    And, last time I looked, it was Mr. Drumpf who was extolling the greatness of that great Democrat=Vladimir Putin.

    And you accuse ME of being a Communist????? HaHahHah

    #1190391

    wanderingchana
    Participant

    That’s like asking, which is worse – mumps or measles?

    #1190392

    moi aussi
    Member

    Health

    I wasn’t born in the United States so I can’t run for president.

    #1190393

    dbrim
    Participant

    Yes, that is true for republicans, but my point was that democrats unfortunately vote for the democratic candidate regardless of how innept, immoral, anti-semitic, or anti-Israel he/she is. Since this thread is about a comparison, I’m wondering why there are no rationales given anywhere here for voting for Clinton. Any takers?

    #1190394

    Dave Hirsch
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    Trump!

    Firstly, Donald Trump is more liberal than Hillary Clinton on every single issue (discounting anything he said since he decided to con the Republican Party).

    Also, Clinton is a pathological liar who knows that she lies and remembers them. Trump is a compulsive liar who actually believes that what he is saying at the moment is the absolute truth. Hillary at least makes her intentions of destroying America and following Europe’s lead known. Trump is nothing but deception.

    Trump – until proven otherwise with a psych eval – has the following psychological illnesses and is unfit to preside over a country: Bipolar disorder, sever emotional insecurities, ADHD and the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

    Hillary Clinton is a cheater and is good at it. She grew up in a middle-class home and enriched herself by trading cattle, pardoning criminals, campaign contributions and political favors, etc.

    Donald Trump, however, is a failed cheater (he was even caught cheating golf!). He inherited $200,000,000 (or in real-real estate terms FORTY BILLION Dollars) from his cheating-mafiosi-daddy and squandered it.

    #1190395

    CTLAWYER
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    DaveHirsch>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Since when did Hillary Clinton ever have the authority to pardon a criminal?

    You don’t like her, fine>>BUT Don’t invent and print lies. She never was a Governor or President so couldn’t issue a pardon.

    I’m not defending her, I’m objecting to spreading lies.

    #1190396

    👑RebYidd23
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    Hillary Clinton is selfish where Donald Trump is arrogant. Trump’s arrogance and recklessness would destroy this country while Hillary Clinton’s selfishness would keep the country safe.

    #1190397

    Health
    Participant

    ROB -“And, last time I looked, it was Mr. Drumpf who was extolling the greatness of that great Democrat=Vladimir Putin”

    As a matter of fact – I’ve recently spoken to a few Goyishe conservatives and they agreed that Trump won’t be able to change the way the country is going; we’d need a guy like Putin!

    Do you think, like all libs, that morality is Not important?!?

    #1190398

    dbrim
    Participant

    Please do not throw around mental illness diagnosises – it’s offensive. Why don’t you all do a little research? You can start with David Friedman’s Arutz Sheva op-ed and go from there to see where Clinton stands on Israel and Jews at large. Trump has been labeled during this forum as a:

    socialist, nationalist socialist, communist, and liberal – how ignorant and ridiculous. In addition, Trump has a frum daughter and pro-Israel advisors. The quality of a good leader is knowing how to select talented people. And Clinton’s advisors? It’s a frightening thought that frum Jews can actually support a blatant anti-semite – I’m done here – there’s no reasonong with self-hating Jews.

    #1190399

    rabbiofberlin
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    Health: All we have to know about your ideas is YOUR statement: “we’d need a guy like Putin”. Right. Exactly what those angry Germans said in 1933. We need guy like Adolf! Enough said abut your ideas..

    dbrim: Your insult of thousands of good jews calling them “self-hating jews’,because they oppose the charlatan Drumpf is offensive and deeply insulting.

    Trump is absolutely and exactly what has been said about him. He IS liberal,nationalistic,and socialist…He has already changed his view about important matters, just hours after h became the presumptive nominee. He lies as he breathes and will continue lying. And, who are these vaunted pro-Israel advisers? Those who told him to be “neutral’ between israel and the Palestinians? Or those who advise him to be the most isolationist person since Lindbergh?

    #1190400

    Avi K
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    What about Gary Johnson? At least he will leave religious people and Israel alone. Libertarians are very consistent – people can do what they want so long as they do violate someone else’s rights so one can do toeva but one can also discriminate against someone who does it (e.g. refuse to rent an apartment or take part in a “wedding”). The Libertarian Party platform states “We would end the current government policy of foreign intervention, including military and economic aid, guarantees, and diplomatic meddling.” Morover, he has administrative experience as governor of New Mexico.

    #1190401

    Health
    Participant

    ROB -“Health: All we have to know about your ideas is YOUR statement: “we’d need a guy like Putin”. Right. Exactly what those angry Germans said in 1933. We need guy like Adolf! Enough said abut your ideas..”

    You libs don’t understand why a Hitler can stand up! The regular taxpayers are fed up with liberal policies. We need a guy like Putin who fights against Liberalism.

    How does supporting Gays & Abortion, etc. help the rest of the country?!?

    What does ROB, Lakewood, Satmer all have in common?

    I’ll give you a hint -“Hillary”.

    #1190402

    Dave Hirsch
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    Avi,

    He has some very shocking positions and may get a little ‘high’ while carrying the football.

    I’m considering Austin Petersen, who is pro-life as well.

    #1190403

    dovrosenbaum
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    Trump: Made himself into a billionaire. Donates money left and right to lots of charitable causes. Treats his workers with respect and dignity. Never stole, killed anyone, or misused taxpayer dollars for anything. So what if he didn’t have success in marriages. People have the right to get divorced. He knew how to use bankruptcy laws to his advantage. He’s shrewd and as smart as a fox. His Trump University NEVER advertised itself as a degree granting institution. It never guaranteed people jobs or wealth. It NEVER had anything to do with the Department of Education, financial aid, loans or grants, etc. I’m sure they all signed terms and conditions indicating this. Interesting how the NY AG, Eric Schneiderman, a far left liberal activist, and a Hillary supporter and superdelegate, makes an issue of this right at election time.

    Marco Rubio and Mitt Romney were actually involved in for-profit college schemes that bilked the government, the Education Department, and poor students, out of millions and millions of dollars. Corinthian Colleges is an egregious example, in particular.

    #1190404

    rabbiofberlin
    Participant

    dovrosenbaum: Boy, that KOOL-AID must have tasted awfully good.Probably spiked with some illegal substance,

    Mister Drumpf is a liar. He has always been a liberal. He is not even close to be a rich as he claims. See the refusal to produce tax returns,.Mr. Drumpf has stolen money from thousands of small people. See Trump University, failed casinos, employees who lost their jobs in the bankruptcies. Mr. Drumpf is a menace to the world- he wants to expand the nuclear club! Think if it! Mr. Drumpf spits on our allies-he wants to disband NATO. Mr. Drumpf even lies about his love for Israel-he wants to be “neutral” in that dispute…..

    And the list goes on and on…….

    #1190405

    screwdriverdelight
    Participant

    About 2 months ago, I was talking to someone and he commented that as things stand, it looks like it will be Trump vs. Her Majesty, and pointed out the irony of it: Democrats are often referred to as the “Mother” while Republicans are the “Father.” Now, we’ll actually have a mother democrat vs. a father republican. Furthermore, Trump will likely attack Her Majesty about all the scandals, all of which are true and factual. Clinton will likely say that Trump is a bully and “unfit”, etc. Hence, Trump will be dealing with fact, while Her Majesty will be spewing emotions, characteristic of their genderal roles, so all in all we’ll have a real Mother-Father fight.

    Looking at the exchange between dovrosenbaum and ROB, I think it’s living up to his prediction.

    #1190406

    screwdriverdelight
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    #1190407

    dovrosenbaum
    Participant

    That’s the difference between the left and the right.

    The Right uses logic and facts when making cases.

    The Left appeals to emotionalism.

    Why do you think successful businessmen are Republicans, whereas the Left attracts social worker types?

    Whenever we present something factual that liberals don’t like, they resort to ad hominem attacks. It’s like a sociology class. When all else fails, the answer is some combination of sexism, misogyny, classism, racism. All vague and ambiguous constructions with no sound basis in reality.

    #1190408

    rabbiofberlin
    Participant

    dovrosembaum: Successful people are republicans….

    Warren Buffett? Mark Zuckerberg? Bloomberg? Steve Jobs? Bill Gates? Howard Schulz ?

    your other statements, this one was also ridiculous. By the way, you are totally wrong about my political leanings- I am a proud conservative and would have supported any CONSERVATIVE candidate. Mr . Drumpf is NOT a conservative. He is a genius at being a con man- conned the banks, conned the poor investors,conned his supporters and is trying to con the nation.

    #1190409

    Health
    Participant

    ROB -“By the way, you are totally wrong about my political leanings- I am a proud conservative and would have supported any CONSERVATIVE candidate. Mr . Drumpf is NOT a conservative”

    Whatever you are – why would you pick Hillary over Trump?

    Trump has some accomplishments in life – has Hillary any?!?

    #1190410

    rabbiofberlin
    Participant

    Health: For once, you have a valid question and it deserves a logical answer. First of all, who says I would vote for Hillary? There is such a thing as abstaining and there are other choices on the ballot. Personally I hope they start a third-conservative- party.

    However, if one is really angry, one votes against a party that is stupid enough to choose Mr. Drumpf. Such a party- and its voters- don’t deserve to be in power-ever.

    Mr. Drumpf is the most unqualified and dangerous man to run for President. Check out what he said yesterday about the national debt and US Securities. If he ever gets o the White House,he will cost this nation trillions of dollars in extra interest costs and drive the reputation of the United States into the mud. We would be just like Greece.

    #1190411

    screwdriverdelight
    Participant

    However, if one is really angry, one votes against a party that is stupid enough to choose Mr. Drumpf. Such a party- and its voters- don’t deserve to be in power-ever.

    Some would say the same about Her Royal Majesty and her subjects, the Democrats.

    Mr. Drumpf is the most unqualified and dangerous man to run for President.

    Some would say the same about Her Royal Majesty.

    Check out what he said yesterday about the national debt and US Securities.

    Check out what she said–and remember it, because whatever she says is a once-in-a-lifetime-opportunity. No two times are ever the same.

    If he ever gets o the White House,he will cost this nation trillions of dollars in extra interest costs and drive the reputation of the United States into the mud. We would be just like Greece.

    Some would say the same about Her Royal Majesty.

    #1190412

    charliehall
    Participant

    “she is a blatant anti-semite”

    That is a baldfaced lie.

    #1190413

    charliehall
    Participant

    I thought that Trump had reached the depths of awfulness and couldn’t go any further.

    Then he accused Ted Cruz’ father of being involved with the Kennedy assassination.

    I couldn’t imagine anything worse.

    And then he suggested that the US should not pay its debts.

    In addition to the moral issues involved, that would destroy the US economy and along with it much of the world’s economy. We are talking Great Depression again. And we know what happened as the result.

    I can’t believe that there is any debate!

    #1190414

    charliehall
    Participant

    “The Right uses logic and facts when making cases.

    The Left appeals to emotionalism.”

    That makes Trump part of the Left and Clinton part of the Right. All the factcheckers have consistently found that Clinton is mostly truthful and that Trump mostly spouts falsehoods.

    #1190415

    charliehall
    Participant

    “If he ever gets o the White House,he will cost this nation trillions of dollars in extra interest costs and drive the reputation of the United States into the mud. We would be just like Greece.”

    Given that this a man who deliberately uses bankruptcy laws to stiff his creditors, is there any surprise that he would want to stiff the country’s creditors?

    Wake up! This man is like nobody who has ever been nominated for President before!

    #1190416

    Avi K
    Participant

    Dave, you are correct. I read some more about him after I posted.

    #1190417

    dbrim
    Participant

    Charliehall – I’d like a straight answer despite the fact that democrats are mostly incapable of doing so – are you saying that a woman who refused to enter a home with a menorah because she feels that jewish symbols are offensive to “palestinians”, a woman who embraced Arafat’s wife spewing viscious modern-day blood libel anti-semitism is NOT an anti-semite? Just a yes or no will do.

    And finally, rabbiofberlin, this thread is not about Trump, it’s about who is worse – Clinton is an anti-semite so she is worse than Trump – I can’t begin to fathom why supposedly 1000s of Jews are voting for a criminal, Israel bashing, anti-semite – but I’m hopeful that your data are wrong.

    #1190418

    Avi K
    Participant

    Not to mention, that as Sec of State she harangued Netanyahu for forty-five minutes for daring to build in Yerushalayim. On the other hand, Trump chose as advisers two people with close ties to the settler movement. Hopefully now that he has the nomination he will move more towards mainstream conservative positions. His choice of a running mate will say a great deal.

    #1190419

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    A Trump presidency would increase antisemitism.

    #1190420

    Elazar Valk
    Participant

    Hillary will be indicted, so the real question is will it be Bernie or Trump. Considering that Bernie is a self-hating Jewish commie, Trump would be a thousand times better for the Jew and for Israel.

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