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  • #1190474

    Alizgit
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    I will let you all ponder what would happen to Trump’s view of Jews if his daughter and Mr Kushner (her husband) ever had an falling out and divorce.

    #1190475

    Health
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    Alizgit-“I will let you all ponder what would happen to Trump’s view of Jews if his daughter and Mr Kushner (her husband) ever had an falling out and divorce.”

    You sound like a liberal looser!

    Nothing would happen – she had a good Geirus!

    Are you conservative or reform – that you can just stop being Jewish?!?

    #1190476

    👑RebYidd23
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    Trump is a liberal loser! He’s running as Republican because his friend Hillary is running as Democrat and he didn’t want to ruin their friendship by taking her nomination!

    #1190477

    yehudayona
    Participant

    Health, Alizgit didn’t say anything about the quality of her geirus.

    #1190478

    mw13
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    Brent Scowcroft, who was national security adviser to two Republican U.S. presidents, on Wednesday endorsed Democrat Hillary Clinton for president over Donald Trump, in a snub of the Republican Party’s likely nominee by a prominent member of its security wing.

    He joined a number of well-known Republicans defecting due to the prospect of a Trump presidency, including Richard Armitage, deputy secretary of state under President George W. Bush.

    Armitage gave Clinton, 68, who was secretary of state under Democratic President Barack Obama, his backing last week. Trump “doesn’t appear to be a Republican, he doesn’t appear to want to learn about issues. So, I’m going to vote for Mrs. Clinton,” Armitage told Politico at the time.

    The Trump campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Scowcroft’s endorsement of Clinton.

    Trump, 70, who has never held elected office, often boasts on the campaign trail his relative newness to politics, appealing to voters disillusioned by the current political climate.

    Despite that facet of his appeal – which helped Trump beat 16 rivals in the campaign’s primary phase to become his party’s presumptive nominee – establishment Republicans worry that his inexperience and brash style will alienate foreign allies and other international partners.

    “Secretary Clinton shares my belief that America must remain the world’s indispensable leader,” Scowcroft said. “She understands that our leadership and engagement beyond our borders makes the world, and therefore the United States, more secure and prosperous.”

    #1190479

    Health
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    MW13-“Brent Scowcroft, who was national security adviser to two Republican U.S. presidents, on Wednesday endorsed Democrat Hillary Clinton for president over Donald Trump, in a snub of the Republican Party’s likely nominee by a prominent member of its security wing.”

    I agree! We should all vote for Hillary!

    Especially now that there won’t be a federal prosecution!

    After all, she didn’t compromise national security with those emails!

    OR DID SHE?!?

    I didn’t expect anything different with a DemonCrat running the executive branch of government!

    If she becomes Pres., we can now impeach her – like her husband was!

    #1190480

    mw13
    Participant

    Trump’s Saddam praise earns bipartisan scorn

    By Nick Gass

    Donald Trump has been lamenting the death of Saddam Hussein for months. On Tuesday, in yet another sign that the general election is less hospitable territory than the Republican primary, his repeated praise of the late Iraqi dictator finally caught up with him.

    Hillary Clinton’s campaign tore into his latest comments, portraying them as only the latest instance of the Manhattan businessman cozying up to tyrants.

    House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), who spent part of his morning condemning the Trump campaign’s handling of a social media post he denounced as anti-Semitic, was unequivocal in denouncing the Saddam remarks as well.

    #1190481

    Health
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    The only ones more unworthy to be President is a Democrat!

    Look how they undermined the security of the US and Israel:

    From Breibart.com – about the Iran nuclear deal:

    #1190482

    Sam2
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    Health: You’re giving lots of reasons why Obama has done bad things. Last I heard, he wasn’t running for reelection right now.

    #1190483

    Health
    Participant

    Sam2-“Health: You’re giving lots of reasons why Obama has done bad things. Last I heard, he wasn’t running for reelection right now.”

    Stop trying to make a joke out of my post!

    I wrote -“The only ones more unworthy to be President is a Democrat!”

    This includes Hillary!

    She will be worse than Obama, including the Iran deal!

    Why do some people vote DemonCrat, no matter what?!?

    From the news at that time:

    “Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton on Tuesday night clarified that she supports the agreement that President Obama’s administration and its world partners have reached with Iran to freeze its nuclear program.

    “I support this agreement because I believe it is the most effective path of all the alternatives available to the U.S. and our partners to prevent Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon,” she said.”

    #1190484

    Health
    Participant

    Also destroying Iraq and leaving Iran alone is a very stupid foreign policy!

    From the Jewish Virtual Library:

    “In the years since the war, moreover, neither country has abandoned its dream of dominating the region. While Iraq’s hopes have been severely undermined by United States military action, Iran has been left largely untouched. The United States has included both in its dual containment strategy, but most other nations have ignored American entreaties to impose strict sanctions on Iran. We know from the results of the 1991 Gulf War, U.N. inspections and intelligence that Iraq has still been able to build up its military and pursue a nuclear weapons program. The Iranians have not faced the same scrutiny or constraints as Iraq and undoubtedly have been even more successful in building their military capability, particularly in the area of nonconventional weapons.”

    #1190485

    Health
    Participant

    Wow! The left has gone to a new low! I’m not surprised that the NYC speaker spoke against Trump, but what’s with Ginsburg?!?

    How do you get rid of a Supreme Court Justice?

    She can’t be one anymore, because any court case against Trump – she can’t judge. There is no way she can claim impartiality!

    #1190486

    Avi K
    Participant

    Health, the only way to get rid of her is for the House to impeach her and the Senate to remove her. Being that she is 83 and not in the best of health anyway they will probably let it ride.

    #1190487

    CTLAWYER
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    Health………………

    and who made you the arbiter of which Supreme Court Justice can judge? Your use of the word ‘can’ is just plain wrong. Justice RBG can judge any case that comes before the SCOTUS. Can is a physical ability. As to whether or not RBG should hear/judge a case involving Trump is a different question.

    Personally, I believe RBG has the ability to separate her disdain for Trump from the facts and issues in any case over which she might preside.

    Furthermore, though Trump has many court trials ahead of him involving his associated companies or himself, it is doubtful that any would have issues that could rise to an appeal reaching the SCOTUS. Most are contract issues and it is extremely rare for for decisions in that kind of case to be appealed more than one level above the trial court. In fact Trump has a history of settling most cases rather than enduring a trial complete to verdict and award.

    #1190488

    Health
    Participant

    CTLAWYER -“and who made you the arbiter of which Supreme Court Justice can judge?”

    Your defense of Ginsburg is pathetic! Btw, this is a opinion site, I’m not a federal judge!

    “Your use of the word ‘can’ is just plain wrong. Justice RBG can judge any case that comes before the SCOTUS. Can is a physical ability. As to whether or not RBG should hear/judge a case involving Trump is a different question.”

    FYI, this isn’t an English class, and I’m not writing an essay!

    But from your last sentence of the paragraph, you obviously got my message!

    #1190489

    CTLAWYER
    Participant

    Health………….

    I did not defend RBG in my post, so calling my defense pathetic is laughable.

    As it happens I agree with her statement about Trump. The wonderful thing about appointed, as opposed to elected judges, is that they don’t have to be muzzled in fear of losing the next election.

    I live and practice in a state where judges (with the exception of provate) are appointed, not elected. They are free to express their opinions without fear of political repercussion.

    The judicial code of ethics deals with times a judge should recuse him/herself from a case. Members of SCOTUS do so when appropriate.

    #1190490

    Health
    Participant

    CTLAWYER -“As it happens I agree with her statement about Trump.”

    I expected that you would. You libs are all the same!

    What I don’t understand is why RBG regretted her comments, she should be strong & continue to announce her views.

    Maybe her announcement is backfiring on the liberals?!?

    #1190491

    mw13
    Participant

    Health!:

    Why do some people vote DemonCrat, no matter what?!?

    For the same reason that some people vote Republican, no matter what. Namely, because it’s far easier to be a partisan hack, yelling, screaming, and calling people names, than to calmly and rationally think through actual issues.

    #1190492

    miamilawyer
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    @mw13 1,000 percent agreed. Trump’s coalition is 1) those who vote republican no matter what, 2) People who think we should deport all Mexicans, etc…

    By the way, @ Health it is somewhat amusing that you are complaining about an improper comment of RBG when Trump says so many, you cannot keep track.

    #1190493

    Health
    Participant

    Mw13 -“than to calmly and rationally think through actual issues.”

    Actually us conservatives have thought things through! It’s the libs who play by emotions!

    Eg.- They want to let in refugees. Now why are there refugees? Because the Western world liberals didn’t want to commit to destroying the Radical Muslims – ie. like a ground war!

    #1190494

    Health
    Participant

    Miamilawyer -“By the way, @ Health it is somewhat amusing that you are complaining about an improper comment of RBG when Trump says so many, you cannot keep track.”

    Actually your comments are a joke!

    Trump is a TV actor who is running for presidency!

    RBG is a Supreme Court Justice who shouldn’t get involved in the executive branch of government!

    Do you know why there are 3 branches of government?!?

    Or you didn’t learn that in law school?!?

    #1190495

    miamilawyer
    Participant

    Health: RBG is a Supreme Court Justice who shouldn’t get involved in the executive branch of government!

    Me: I am sure you were equally concerned when Oconner admitted that she voted the way she did in Bush v Gore in part because she wanted Bush to choose her successor.

    Anyway, I am quite familiar with the three branches of govt, none of them are supposed to act the way trump does. And frankly, I do not much care how he acts.

    I do find it amusing though that someone who was a democrat until he decided to run against Hillary now draws your unconditional support.

    Indeed, until Hillary embraced Obama, the only person who disliked Obama more than republicans was Hillary, as she felt he stole her job. Trump was pro Hillary so he bashed Obama and the republicans fell in love with him. This is almost too funny.

    #1190496

    Health
    Participant

    Miamilawyer -“I do find it amusing though that someone who was a democrat until he decided to run against Hillary now draws your unconditional support.”

    You make assumptions that are false! I’m only supporting Trump, because he’s presumably running as the Republican candidate.

    The Democrats have failed this country in many ways! Eg. – their support of letting in refugees without a decent vetting process. Also,

    the country’s debt has increased like never before!

    I could go on and on, but it’s very late!

    #1190497

    👑RebYidd23
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    He only ran as Republican because his friend Hillary took Democrat. Now they both win either way because together, they have both major parties.

    #1190498

    miamilawyer
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    RebYidd: He only ran as Republican because his friend Hillary took Democrat. Now they both win either way because together, they have both major parties.

    Me: It truly is unbelievable. One of the two following statements will be true. 1) Donald Trump is the sole reason that Hillary got elected (because she beats no one else, possibly with the exception of ted cruz, but I do not think she beats him–that trump/cruz were 1 and 2 republicans is unreal), or 2) Donald Trump is the next president. It is mind boggling.

    Health: You make assumptions that are false! I’m only supporting Trump, because he’s presumably running as the Republican candidate. The Democrats have failed this country in many ways….

    Me: No that is exactly my point. You are only supporting Donald Trump because he has the R next to his name. As to Democrats failing this country, again have to disagree on that. Take a look at California’s economy. Now look at Kansas or Louisiana, etc. More importantly, look what happened to the economy under Bush vs what happened under Clinton or Obama.

    And my usual dilemma is gone. The republicans are typically better with the military and protection of Israel but Clinton is better on the middle east then Trump, who literally knows nothing.

    By the way, it would be interesting to see what true fiscal conservatism would look like. But they not really exist in the government. Republicans spend just as much as dems, they just usually spend it on the military, while dems spend it on social issues.

    #1190499

    Health
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    Miamilawyer -“Take a look at California’s economy. Now look at Kansas or Louisiana, etc. “

    Actually I’m not familiar with the economy of those states, I live in New Jersey.

    Even if you’re right, you didn’t address my main points – why you can’t vote DemonCrat!

    From previous -“The Democrats have failed this country in many ways! Eg. – their support of letting in refugees without a decent vetting process. Also, the country’s debt has increased like never before!”

    #1190500

    miamilawyer
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    @health above. “The democrats have failed this country in many ways” is not a point, it is an opinion. I disagree. As far as your point about the debt, its a little misleading..

    The gross federal debt under Obama — as of April 7, 2015 — is $18.15 trillion. So, while Bush added 5 million, Obama added 8 million, but a lot of that 8 million is due to the economy bush left when he left office. Not to mention inflation and interest distorts the numbers.

    Bottom line, it is true that Obama added debt, but Bush doubled the debt, Obama only added about 1.7 times the debt, so he is arguably on a better pace then bush.

    #1190501

    Health
    Participant

    Miamilawyer -“As far as your point about the debt, its a little misleading.”

    As far as I recall, Bush never claimed he would lower the debt.

    But one of the talking points that candidate Obama kept on about, was the national debt!

    He’s a big hypocrite!

    #1190502

    Sparkly
    Member

    Clinton way worse.

    #1190503

    Well alls well and that end well. I mean Well??? is Trump winning well?? Hes better than Hillary but is that good? that just means America is caught in a catch 22. but is that good???????

    which reminds me iof the joke hillary and trump we’re on a boat who was saved?

    America

    #1190504

    Sparkly
    Member

    yeshivesh macher – we just need someone good for the jews and trump is good for the jews. would you rather have someone lahavdil like hitler who claims to make america great while destroying jews chasvichallila or someone who will help the jews? the answer is help the jews so trump it should be.

    #1190505

    Addition to the Democratic Platform:

    Supporting the removal of (gender,etc.)

    exemptions for religious and any other institutions

    #1190506

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    Well Trump is very smart (I know becasue he says so)

    And he said in 2004

    I haven’t been around as above mentioned Great and noble leader but I have to agree

    #1190507

    Sparkly what makes you think trump is good for israel or jews

    yes maybe he said so but he talks with his big mouth and dosn’t stop he’ll say anything he wants to get your vote

    and BTW his daughter is not jewish according to the rabbinute so that’s no sign of supporting jews

    Chelsea Clinton (hillarys daughter) also married a jew

    #1190508

    Health
    Participant

    YM1 -“BTW his daughter is not jewish according to the rabbinute so that’s “

    How do you know that? I think you just were Oiver Mozay Shem Ra!

    Just because Rabbi Lookstein can’t do Geirus, doesn’t mean she isn’t Jewish!

    Are you a Poisek?

    #1190509

    if haskel the rascel (quote from Rav Gifter) didn’t do a kosher geirus than what is jewish about her

    ur allowed to say loshon hora about a goy kaal v’chomer if it will affect you, ur country, ur leader/president it might even be a mitzvah

    #1190510

    Sparkly
    Member

    yeshivishmacher1 – who did her conversion? im pretty sure it was a rabbi who makes kosher conversions.

    #1190511

    Does TRUMP desire to lose?

    HE better get MOVING,and Stop saying OUTRAGEOUS things!

    #1190514

    Health
    Participant

    YM1 -“ur allowed to say loshon hora about a goy kaal v’chomer if it will affect “

    Btw, you don’t need a Rabbi to become Jewish.

    As far as I know she is Shomer Torah and Mitzvos. Maybe not totally Tzinus, but that wouldn’t be Mevatel Geirus!

    You’re one of the reasons why they should do away with Bein HaZemanim!

    How many Blatt did you learn after Pesach, 4 or 5?!?

    So you were just Oiver Mozay Shem Ra during the 3 weeks!

    Why didn’t you wait for the Nine days?!?

    Quick! Dr. Middos! Get over here, quick!

    #1190515

    I dont really feel like i need to answer up to you. you clearly showed how little you know mrs BJJ go learn some more chovos livavos and stop trying to make gayros with no BEIS DIN thats right beis din u were right u dnt need a rabbi u need a BEIS DIN. keeping mitzvos does nothing. in fact a goy that keeps shabbos is chayiv misah!!!!

    How on earth do YOU know that shes shomer torah umtzvos?

    now to talk about bein hazmanim rebbitzin machanech, its acctually not a break its btwn zmanim as it is called, due to the fact that high volume learning cant be done 24/7 by a sane human being. no rebbe will ever tell a bocher to learn a full day on bein hazmanim. in fact its part of the mesorah of the yeshiva system dating years back.

    it sounds to me like ur son or brother nebach didnt plan a bein hazmanim ACTIVITY besides for sedorim in the morning and night, therefore you feel bein hazmanim is wrong and should be taken away. i feel for you may hashem guide your relative to the right mechanech for some help!!

    thanx for your suggestion to do 4 or 5 blatt thats more than we did a whole summer zman. and if mothers would understand that learning is NOT THE SAME AS READING A NOVEL us bouchrim would be able to learn be’iyan!!

    now lets talk about motza sheim ra.

    in shmiras halashon it clearly states that loshon hora about a goy is muter, (although not suggested so that it shouldnt lead to talking about others.)it is no secret that the geirus wasnt good but as u said you need to be a posek to publicise such a thing. but dont worry that was already taken care of by the cheif rabbi of isreal!

    i hope ur suggestion for waiting for the nine days was written by your 3 old son. if a mature adult actually felt it was lashon hora it would have been worded ini a way of “hochiyach tochiyach as amisecha” to try to be mekadesh sheim shamayim and not in a shtuch format. if u dont no what “hochiyach tochiyach” is, than ask whoever gave you the advice about how much bouchrim should be learning to help you.

    good night please dont be upset. this is not meant to anger anyone

    rather i feel i must protect the yeshiva system that wasa under attack by unqualified indivisuals!!

    #1190516

    “ur allowed to say loshon hora about a goy kaal v’chomer if it will affect you, ur country, ur leader/president it might even be a mitzvah”

    Um, I’m pretty sure that the personal status of Trump’s daughter doesn’t affect voters in the slightest. No mitzvah there, sorry.

    #1190517

    Health
    Participant

    YM1 -“and stop trying to make gayros with no BEIS DIN thats right beis din u were right u dnt need a rabbi u need a BEIS DIN.”

    I’m not going to argue with you because it’s the three weeks!

    But jeeze – did you have to call me a girl?!?

    I’m just going to clear up the Halachah. I found this on the net – about Geirus:

    “Rabbi Moshe Feinstein makes it clear that they need not be rabbis, though it’s expected that someone knowledgeable put some serious thought into: “is this person sincere in their commitment? Do they understand what they’re getting into? And is the Jewish people better off with the addition of this person”

    So all my posts are applicable, no matter what you or anybody says!

    To become a female Jew – all you need is Kabbolas Mitzvos and Mikvah.

    As far as I know, she had that.

    But keep on posting your Am Haratzos (4 – 5 Blatt a Zman) – Your giving me a good laugh!

    #1190519

    Sparkly
    Member

    Health – can you please stop making fun of girls? Like grow up already.

    yeshivish macher – people said that she is shomer torah and mitzvos plus i saw pictures of her doing religious things plus i know relatives of hers who are jewish and frum and said shes frum.

    #1190520

    Health
    Participant

    Sparkly -“Health – can you please stop making fun of girls? Like grow up already.”

    I think that you’re the one that has the growing up to do!

    When s/o calls a guy a girl, it’s not making fun of girls, just him!

    #1190521

    Sparkly
    Member

    health – its calling him a transgender.

    #1190522

    Sam2
    Participant

    YM1: In learning so much B’iyun, you seemed to have missed the (at least) 36 Issurei D’Oraisa involved in attacking a Ger.

    #1190523

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    While On the subject, I just heard from Rabbi Resiman beshem Rav Gifter that “today in yeshivas we learn more and more about less and less until we will know everything about nothing”

    #1190525

    yehudayona
    Participant

    All this (apparently bogus) talk about the health of the major party candidates got me thinking. Since the choices are so bad, it would be better for the candidate whose health is worse to win, so he/she wouldn’t complete his/her term.

    #1190527

    mw13
    Participant

    Excerpt from “Final Days, Awful Choice” By Charles Krauthammer:

    At a time of such tectonic instability, even the most experienced head of state requires wisdom and delicacy to maintain equilibrium. Trump has neither. His joining of supreme ignorance to supreme arrogance, combined with a pathological sensitivity to any perceived slight, is a standing invitation to calamitous miscalculation.

    It took seven decades to build this open, free international order. It could be brought down in a single presidential term. That would be a high price to pay for the catharsis of kicking over a table.

    #1190528

    Health
    Participant

    Mw13 – Do you actually think Clinton would be better for the country?!?

    Letting in thousands of Muslims?!?

    You and the rest of the liberals, will never rest until this country is like every other 3rd world country!

    I really don’t think Jews will be able to live according to Torah values if Hillary wins!

    OTOH, she will be quickly impeached!

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