July 14, 2010 6:17 pm at 6:17 pm #591961myfriendMember
Why can we drink Budweiser without a hechsher?July 14, 2010 7:09 pm at 7:09 pm #690296YW Moderator-80Member
because the major Kashrus organizations say you can.
heres a statement from OU:
a little wishy-washy.
a more decisive statement from cRc:
“All unflavored beers, domestic and imported, with no additives listed on the ingredient label are acceptable, even without a Kosher certification. This applies to both USA and imported beers, including non-alcoholic and dark beers.”
flavored beers need a heksherJuly 14, 2010 7:32 pm at 7:32 pm #690297telegrokMember
Beer is a defined beverage. Stated differently, when a product is sold as an unflavored beer, it can contain only barley, malt, hops, and, in some instances, rice. The proportions of those ingredients, the geographic origin of them, the specific strains of various plantings, the water, and the brewing process are the variable factors that cause one beer to taste different from another.
But, the long and the short of it is that “beer” means a fermented beverage brewed from the above-noted grains. Anything else is not beer.
This is similar, in some respects, to the manner in which ice cream and chocolate were viewed in the U.S. in the 1950s. At that time, ice cream meant cream, sugar, and perhaps some natural flavor; chocolate was cocoa, milk, and sugar. A survey of people in their 70s and 80s will likely disclose that the accepted practice among frum yidden was to enjoy ice cream and chocolate without a hechsher (for those who eat cholov stam). But at some point in time, various additives were thrown into the mixing bowl, and the practice of eating any ice cream or chocolate came to a screeching halt. Fortunately, beer has not been subjected to such innovations, except to the extent that lime and lemon and other oddities are being added to the classic shalosh seudos beverage of choice. It is, to a purist, somewhat sinful, and conjures the same nose-wrinkling difficulties associated with flavored coffee.
Actually, coffee and tea may offer a fair comparison to beer – it’s coffee, it’s tea, it’s beer.
At one time, incidentally, fish by-products were used to skim some of the scurm from the fermented beer (during the brewing process). But that process was acceptable because the fish by-products (dried dead fish parts) was scattered atop the mixture and then skimmed off, along with the unwanted foam from the beer. So, nothing from the dead fish remained in the beer; the point was to actually pull all of that stuff out, along with the top layer of brewing beer.July 15, 2010 3:44 am at 3:44 am #690298popa_bar_abbaParticipant
What will we do if we ever need a hechsher on beer? What will we drink?July 15, 2010 4:33 am at 4:33 am #690299ZachKessinMember
Learn to brew beer at home! Its actually not that hard and with a little bit of effort can produce amazing results. (Often better that what you can buy in the store)July 15, 2010 6:52 pm at 6:52 pm #690300A600KiloBearParticipant
BS”D Doesn’t Coors still have an OU? Guinness is supervised by the KF of London IIRC although not marked as such, and with the trend towards more hechsherim on more products I am sure more beers will be available with certification.
Besides isnt Maccabee still exported to the US? It shares both a Badatz hechsher and a similar taste with Sano cleaning products but Sano products would look funny at a sholom zochor.July 18, 2010 11:57 pm at 11:57 pm #690301cholentkugelkishkeMember
Miller’s has an O-K & Sam Adams has the Star-K.July 19, 2010 12:44 am at 12:44 am #690302yankdownunderMember
I don’t understand if beer is unflavored why does it need a hechsher?July 19, 2010 2:38 pm at 2:38 pm #690303shmueltMember
The CRC has got it right
most people are under the mistaken belief that colour determines kashruth of beer but many things can make a beer dark
and flavourings can be found (but labelled in a world of allergies) in lighter beers
you can stick to the declining sales of ntional macro-brands, and are missing out on flavour. The macro brands put money into advertising rather than ingrediants, beginning in the late sixties.
In almost every case, I have either contacted the brewers directly through their site or read a full description of the beer at http://www.ratebeer.com
A head of a major kashruth organization has told me I can do that, and recently, even in a case where a tiny amount of say raisins was added to the vat
BTW, He’brew Brewing (not a joke) has KSA hechsher on complex dark beersJuly 19, 2010 10:50 pm at 10:50 pm #690304oyveykidsthesedaysMember
it depends who you you ask. according to rav hershel shachter, even water needs a hechsher nowadays, because of the way things are manufactured nowadays, the machines are interchangeable, and you can have a lard melting machine being used to filter spring water the next week……
ask your rav
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