December 11, 2012 2:19 am at 2:19 am #607358kfbParticipant
Did YWN miss a huge news opportunity? Why aren’t the reporting what’s going on with the Webberman case. There are people here that only get their news from YWN. How are they supposed to know what’s going on?December 11, 2012 4:37 am at 4:37 am #912182🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
If they stand outside they can hear many of us cheering – that’s one way to know.December 11, 2012 4:58 am at 4:58 am #912183achosidParticipant
YWN has never covered these types of stories. Seems you knew all about the case without YWN. Plenty of other news sources to read your daily dose of scandal and drek going on it the Frum community. Not to mention all about Mr. “Lemon Juice”…..December 11, 2012 5:11 am at 5:11 am #912184
Maybe there’s one site left in the world wide that doesn’t glorify everyone’s curiosity with all disgusting, gory and filthy intimate details that are wont to come out from the nature of such a trial.
I applaud this site, its administrator(s) and staff (especially overworked Mods who have to deal with my ‘literature’ – ha, I just added another), for keeping the air relatively clean, suitable for a Torah oriented (fun seeking) lifestyle.
So naturally they filter what’s newsworthy to this Hallowed site. No. Words of such a nature should not be commonplace, should not be the the topic of discussion in a Torah home. ???? ?’ ?? ???? because of ?? ???? ???? ????, we have different topics of discussions.
(Chief Mod, isn’t that the reason?)December 11, 2012 5:37 am at 5:37 am #912186sw33tMember
I have been following these forums for over a year now, and have read some things that have rlly compelled me to make an account and comment on. But every time I was able to stop myself, because I told myself its better to just keep my opinions to myself. Well, this I just had to comment on.
“So naturally they filter what’s newsworthy to this Hallowed site. No. Words of such a nature should not be commonplace, should not be the the topic of discussion in a Torah home. ???? ?’ ?? ???? because of ?? ???? ???? ????, we have different topics of discussions.”
I find it really interesting that the conviction of a religious man on 59 counts of abuse, molestation, endangerment etc, is something u describe as not newsworthy. If the topic cannot be discussed in a Torah home, where will it be discussed? No where. Victims will continue to live in silence and in pain. You are right words of these things should not be commonplace, but unfortunately they are, and pretending it doesnt exist isnt going to make it go away.December 11, 2012 5:45 am at 5:45 am #912187sw33tMember
Also, the other topics of conversation here include whether woman should be allowed to wear boots or not, and why men wear their top button open,but this is what u choose to label as something that shouldnt be discussed in a torah home? i think the priorities of what is befitting of a torah atmosphere is a little messed up !December 11, 2012 6:21 am at 6:21 am #912188
There’s a giant difference between ???? ???? and stam rubbish. Can’t you understand?
(Mods, do I get komish?)December 11, 2012 8:48 am at 8:48 am #912189NechomahParticipant
I think you misunderstand the difference between the CR and YWN. The CR is part of YWN, but does not purport to discuss news happenings, but anything of interest to even one person is mentioned here (such as boots and buttons but even more sensitive issues could be discussed here). That is why you are free here to discuss this issue. YWN moderates the contents of the forums but does not tell people what to talk about.
On the other hand, there is YWN – that is Yeshiva World NEWS – that is where the news articles are publicized. If you want to know what it isn’t on the news page, ask the people who run the site.
I do agree with ZK that we don’t need to hash over someone’s dirty laundry in a public forum, but I also agree with sw that people who are liable to suffer from these issues should be educated about them and people who are already suffering need not suffer alone and in pain, but I don’t think a public forum is the place for either.December 11, 2012 10:26 am at 10:26 am #912190Yeshivishsocrates1Participant
I dont think that the reporting of this news story can be considered airing of dirty laundry, nor is it satisfaction of some morbid curiosity. It always puzzles me why we go through such great lengths to protect our criminals. We, as an am have been known to harbour criminals, pervert the course of justice, seek to vindicate and in this case, not report the crimes of our people. Doesnt their reprehensible and frankly abhorrent behaviour act as a forfeit for the protection which comes along with being part of klal yisrael. Dont get me wrong, i’m familiar with the whole kol yisrael areivim thing but it seems to me that someone who didnt take our reputation into consideration doesnt deserve the courtesy from us. The detention system will keep him and those of his ilk out of the reach of vulnerable members of klal yisrael who actually do deserve our protection. Some vigilance and awareness, not for the sake of gloating or leering at news items, but for the sake of the protection of our own people would not, in my opinion, go amiss.December 11, 2012 11:08 am at 11:08 am #912191
This man name NEEDS to be published, you NEED to explain to your kids (In proper language and age appropriate) who are bad people and not to let people touch them in bad ways.
You train your kids what to eat and what not to eat due to Kashrus, train your kids not to let adults behave inappropiratly around them and if someone does have them tell you.
If you want to defend to torah, A Rasha must be exposed for being a RashaDecember 11, 2012 12:26 pm at 12:26 pm #912192old manParticipant
I read about the Weberman accusations and verdict, but not on a frum website.
I watched the Lipa Chanukah video (courtesy of YWN), I am not very familiar with this person named Lipa.
I watched the Hasidic Jew Gangnam video (courtesy of YWN), I had never heard of Gangnam.
I now know that wearing a tie to Shabbos mincha is a bizayon of Shabbos.
I now know that saying Good Shabbos on Friday afternoon is potentially disastrous. Maybe even worse than saying it on Shabbos afternoon.
I now know that a tmimusdikeh masmid who is kula toirah must see a young woman’s photograph before he wastes his time and someone else’s money on a date.
I live in Israel, but sense that the thought processes of yidden in America are in total disarray.December 11, 2012 12:37 pm at 12:37 pm #912193Yeshivishsocrates1Participant
I think you may be confusing the diverse thoughts of multiple people with thoughts being in disarrayDecember 11, 2012 12:42 pm at 12:42 pm #912194
The reason YW didn’t report on this case is because Weberman is innocent. YW isn’t in the habit of publishing false allegations. (Even if they result in a false convcition.)
old man: Just as you read agout Lipa, the gang video and the Shabbos issues in the coffeeroom, you read about Weberman here too.December 11, 2012 1:10 pm at 1:10 pm #912195mommamia22Participant
I also question why this website did not post at least basic information about a perpetrator in our community. The fact that this man was caught does not mean that the danger is over. It shows how easily children can fall prey and have their experiences go undetected. It could have been used as an opportunity to educate people about practicing safe behaviors and monitoring children and their contacts.
I think it far more relevant to report on that (which in it’s totality affects the klall) than to let us know about a possible diagnosis of Parkinson’s that Ostreicher might be suffering from.December 11, 2012 1:13 pm at 1:13 pm #912196
Old Man make a great point people are too concerned about small things and miss the bigger pictureDecember 11, 2012 1:26 pm at 1:26 pm #912197
Old man + 1December 11, 2012 1:39 pm at 1:39 pm #912198achosidParticipant
To all you questioning, again and again, it seems as if none of you reached out to YWN for comment. Just doing my own research, (its called a search box), it seems that YWN has published numerous warnings about pedophiles countless times.
Get a life people.December 11, 2012 1:45 pm at 1:45 pm #912199
1. It’s rude to the defendant.
2. It’s impossible to discuss the case without discussing forbidden subjects. You could say, the Brooklyn DA, in response to political pressures, prosecuted an Orthodox Jew in spite of their being no evidence other than the testimony of witness who admitted her goal was to discredit the Orthodox community, and that it was announced in advance of the trial by the secular media that he was guilty since it is well known all Orthodox Jews are guilty.
3. The most you could say is that she accused him of yichud and negiah but no one else saw anything to back it up.
4. There were a lot of similar case in the American south (Scottsboro Boys, for example, cf the novel “To kill a mockingbird”), and the case does have some resemblance to earlier cases involve Beilis, Frank, Dreyfus, etc. – except in all those cases the prosecution claimed to have evidence beyond a single witness who admitted having a grudge against the defendant (and the possibility of making big bucks on the deal).
5. Unlike Europe where the goyim accused us of killing their children and eating them, in America the charges typically come from frei Jews and are of a nature that the substance isn’t something discussed in YWN. These charges are increasingly widespread, and it is becoming a pattern that they have no physical evidence or corroborating witnesses – a pattern that strongly suggests what the goyim refer to as a “witch hunt” (cf. play “The crucbile”).
3.December 11, 2012 1:48 pm at 1:48 pm #912200AbeFParticipant
I don’t really know how to say that but it kinda hurts to see how happy people are that a fellow jew is locked up in prison for life…..
i’m not going to go into the details wether this story maks sens or is true/fals i’m just trying to understand why people are so excited about it??? maybe cause i was b”h never a victim neither where any of my family members???
And even if you are a victim how are you so sure that this guy is one of those vicious creatures nand this is exactly what should of happen to him???
just asking……December 11, 2012 1:56 pm at 1:56 pm #912201yaakov doeParticipant
There is enough chillul Hashem from this case without any additional publicity on the trial.December 11, 2012 2:04 pm at 2:04 pm #912203
akuperma: Oh please! It’s rude to the defendant? Who cares about a piece of dirt like him, who molests children?
There was no evidence? The girl testified that he molested her. She had gone to a social worker because she was having problems. She didn’t snitch right away. It took the social worker many hours of therapy to get it out of her. She also underwent a full psychiatric evaluation which determined that she had gone through a severe emotional trauma relating to abuse.
You want halachic evidence, with 2 witnesses who saw the actual act? You won’t find it. Bus this isn’t a beis din, this is an American court. They have the right, according to the Torah, to set their own rules and laws, and we are required to follow them.
You say it’s anti-semitism? Why, because he was found guilty? That’s the old battle-cry of many Jews whenever they’re caught doing something wrong. The guy did something wrong, and he was caught. End of story. How are you so sure he was set up? What do you know about the case?
There were other victims who came forward, but were scared to testify. The victim and her family were offered a bribe of half a million dollars to leave the country and drop the case. Chassidim were arrested for taking pictures of her in court (which is illegal) and posting them online. Never mind that the Satmar Rebbe the internet is 100% assur. They posted the pictures to harass her! Why all the harassment? They were obviously trying to hide something.December 11, 2012 2:14 pm at 2:14 pm #912204
The Chilul Hashem is not that this rasha exists and commmited terrible crimes, the chilul hashem is the coverup and the defense of this RashaDecember 11, 2012 2:21 pm at 2:21 pm #912205
akuperma is 100% correct. Both the prosecution and verdict are a result of anti-semitism. There is zero evidence. And they used a former Orthodox Jew to prosecute him, but that is standard fare.December 11, 2012 2:35 pm at 2:35 pm #912206BBfromBrooklynParticipant
Aside from whether or not Mr. Weberman (and I say “Mr.” because he is neither a doctor of psychology or therapy nor is he even an ordained rabbi) actually did anything; because lets face it nobody here knows the facts about what did or did not happen; we all do know that over the past 15-20 years protocols have been getting stricter and stricter in all schools and summer camps regarding “being alone with a counseller or teacher.” The only place that this did not happen is in the hassidic institutions. Does someone want to explain why a school (admittingly) forced a young teenage girl to go to sessions with an adult male who has absolutely no professional background. Now I’m not saying the entire system is flawed; however there are certain protocols that should be instilled in to this “system.” Saying that all teachers should have, oh I don’t know maybe a degree in EDUCATION; maybe that is going too far; but if a child does actually need therapy (although I may not agree with the reason this particular girl was forced in to therapy) maybe spring for a professional with at least a masters; no need to spring for a PHD; I happen to know for a fact that there are plenty plenty of hassidic Jews that have degrees in psychology; because I went to many undergrad classes with them, so no need to even leave your community but at least use a professional and try to do something about this child’s “problem.”December 11, 2012 2:48 pm at 2:48 pm #912207
DaMoshe: Why were there no medical records? A pediatrician would notice such a thing. If this occured repeatedly, there should have been something a a doctor would have noticed or even DNA (similar to Bill and Monica).
No one saw them in a locked room? Among goyim it is normal for a teacher or school bureaucrat to be alone in a room with a student, and the goyim have ideas as to what is or is not appropriate. Among frum Jews, a male administrator would never be allowed to be alone in a locked room with a young woman (over Bas Mitzvah), and any contact would be “inappropriate”. If her account was true, many people would have seem something that to frum Jews would be utterly shocking – but which most Americans would see as normal (a man alone in a room, perhaps shaking her hand). The lack of evidence of anyone seeing such scandalous behavior suggests her charges are dubious. I seriously doubt the jury was given information on yichud and negiah, and how in that milleu yichud and negiah would be noticed. All it would take to make the case seem plausible would be a neutral witness or some him engage in yichud and negiah, even in ways most Americans see as harmless, and then an expert witness to show how outrageous that is within the frum community.
One case might suggest guilt even though there is no evidence but the testimony of the accused. Many cases with the same pattern, and same lack of evidence suggests a “witch hunt” or “blood libel”.
NOte that in abuse cases involving the Catholic and Anglican Churches, there is typically substantial evidence beyond the testimony of the accuser.
He might be guilty. But the fact that a competent well funded prosecutor could produce no better evidence than he did raises serious doubts about what is going on. I would hypothesize that this is “payback” for the frum community’s opposition to gay rights and abortion (i.e. the sexual components of the politically correct agenda so dear to the hearts of the powerful secular Jewish community), and retaliation for the increasing trend of us to vote for political conservatives.December 11, 2012 3:03 pm at 3:03 pm #912208WIYMember
You are a troll who just keeps regurgitating the same stupidity. You don’t even want to hear anything resembling logic. On every thread you post on you have your mind made up based on your personal bias and whatever else you were fed by fools your whole life. You don’t want truth. You don’t even attempt to hear the other side or to respond logically to anyone who brings valid challenges to your assertions. You want to hold on stubbornly to all of your crooked beliefs.December 11, 2012 3:12 pm at 3:12 pm #912209
akuperma: There is not always physical evidence such as bruises. Even if there were, bruises can fade in a few days – who says she went to her doctor during that time?
You say nobody noticed? Untrue! The parents testified that they complained to the school and were told that if they continued to complain, their daughter would be expelled. Weberman took her on a drive to Monsey alone, at night, which Satmar hold is strictly forbidden! The parents again complained, and again were threatened.
iced: Why is everything bad anti-semitism? The prosecutor was likely chosen because he is a good prosecutor, not because of his religion. He works for the DA’s office. That’s all. He was found guilty because the jury believed the evidence against him – of which there was plenty.
Don’t forget that Weberman also admitted on the stand that he is a thief, and used tzedakah money from a charity he runs to pay his own personal bills – he took $11,000 in one month! He used it to pay his children’s tuition, and also to buy clothing in what can be described as a store that sells women’s clothing which should only be seen by her husband (and not just plain undergarments). He obviously isn’t very concerned with honesty.December 11, 2012 3:24 pm at 3:24 pm #912210
Without going in to the details here, the defendant admitted in court to doing a number of things that violate halacha in the realm of yichud and tznius. The track record of the DA is such that he has worked with the leadership of chareidi communities, including satmar before, and has been criticized for not be more zealous in prosecuting and publicizing what is being investigated. This case was so egregious that it could not be ignored.
But if YW doesn’t want to discuss details here I understand. There are other places for such discussion.
What perhaps should be discussed here is the brazen activities of people from the community who violated the law by photographing the victim in court; who bullied the victim’s family and friends; who testified falsely in court that there is no such thing as a vaad hatznius; who tried to bribe the victim; who saw no contradiction in criticizing her for being motzi shem ra but then being motzi shem ra on her.
The accused has been found guilty. If some doubt his guilt, its their cheshbon, and though I disagree I recognize the possibility of a miscarriage of justice exists. What is unconscionable outside the case itself, though, is the behaviour of those who seek to intimidate and lie.December 11, 2012 3:36 pm at 3:36 pm #912211
He was found guilty and is going to prison. Zehu. The fact that there are people here defending him is bringing my breakfast up. What if it was c’v your daughters? Think about it like that. What if it was your daughter, would you be happy that he was convicted? I know I would be, just like I am now. You are so quick to cry out his innocence, but why? In the history of the world has there ever been 2 make witnesses to molestation and other acts that I won’t mention here? Other girls did come forward and just because they didn’t testify on the stand does not mean what happened to them is a lie. This guy is an animal, a twisted sick animal. We live in America and it is up to the American courts to decide his punishment. To those of you who think every Jew on this earth is a malach, my only advice to you is to keep a close eye on your children, because you are living in a fantasy world.December 11, 2012 3:39 pm at 3:39 pm #912212
There was absolutely zero evidence. Period. He admitted to no such things. He never had yichud. The doors were never locked. He never took her on a trip alone (his wife was with the girl at all times and no one from the girl or prosecution has even denied this fact.) And he testified on the stand that someone else made the purchase at the womens clothing store and that it was not him. The prosecution didn’t even attempt to rebut that.December 11, 2012 3:58 pm at 3:58 pm #912213uneeqMember
It YWN’s duty to NOT report a story that undoubtably has rechilus and loshon hora coming out from one of the sides. Both sides can’t be right in this case, so YWN would be publishing loshon hora no matter what position they take.
It is easier to refrain from posting than to try to tiptoe the line of loshon hora.December 11, 2012 4:04 pm at 4:04 pm #912214
DaMoshe: One case lacking physical evidence, maybe. But none of the cases where Hareidi Jews are accused have physical evidence. That’s unlikely. The pattern appears to be of making charges well after the events transpired, and failing to produce any evidence beyond the accusation, and relying on the press and prosecutor to create a “lynch” atmosphere with publicity announcing the sexual misconduct in the Orthodox community is common but that the courageous complainant and prosecutor will teach them a less (“how dare they go around opposing “our” sexual perversion, they are all perverts themselves”). WHILE THE INDIVIDUAL MAY OR MAY NOT BE GUILTY, the behavior of the prosecutor in these and similar cases suggests witch hunt, and suggests that to understand this we need to look at the political and social motivations behind the prosecutions.December 11, 2012 4:06 pm at 4:06 pm #912215ImanonovParticipant
I don’t understand what is happening here. Until a person is found guilty IN A BEIS DIN AL PI EIDIM there is NO HETTER whatsoever to publicize his name and to presume that he is guilty, irrespective as to how many Goyshe courts have convicted him. Because of the publicity there might be a situation of “Lachshosh mibo’i” = to be on your guard in your dealings with him i.e. don’t go into a situation of yichud with him. Perhaps YWN should have given a warning to that effect some time ago But now that is not noge’a anymore and I fail to see how the CR can discuss it at all. It is also not relevant whether or not a Beis Din should have been involved; it’s too late for that.
Perhaps YWN should publish a daily Din in Hilchos Loshon Hora. It would be great if they could somehow organize that that halocho should be compulsory reading before being able to read any news or enter CR.December 11, 2012 4:07 pm at 4:07 pm #912216
No he did admit to using the non profit org. Money for his own Children’s tuition and yes he was the one who purchased lingerie. Why are you here making up lies? Do you think it will change his outcome? What are you doing here besides further angering us who actually care about the future of klal yisroel. None of what we think matters anyway because Hashem will give due punishment, but to defend a sick criminal just because he happens to be Jewish. Not frum by any standards, but a Jew, is disgusting.December 11, 2012 4:19 pm at 4:19 pm #912217
iced, akuperma, uneeq, I’m not arguing the case. As I said, though I disagree with you, I recognize that there is the possibility of a miscarriage of justice.
What I would like to know is how the actions of the community – the brazen activities of people from the community who violated the law by photographing the victim in court; who bullied the victim’s family and friends; who testified falsely in court that there is no such thing as a vaad hatznius; who tried to bribe the victim; who saw no contradiction in criticizing her for being motzi shem ra but then being motzi shem ra on her. – can be justified under law or halacha.December 11, 2012 4:38 pm at 4:38 pm #912218
iced: Now you’re just getting ridiculous, making things up. I won’t be responding to you anymore.
akuperma: You’re stretching with conspiracy theories now. Seriously, read some real info about the trial and you’ll see that there was evidence. As for the publicity, you are aware of how a jury is treated, right?December 11, 2012 4:47 pm at 4:47 pm #912219truthsharerMember
Based on your post, I think it would be a good idea for you to learn hilchos Lashan Harah. While you’re at it, you can ask your rov about guilty/not guilty thresholds in a Beis Din.December 11, 2012 5:13 pm at 5:13 pm #912220
I guess the zealots (some even shed their “mdernity”, they become hot ultra-orthodox) here are doing the job reporting and hashing over each and every ugly detail . So that’s why the YWN doesn’t have to.
Some people just cannot get it into their heads. As I wrote on another thread, it’s important, very important to know what to do, what to be aware of, how to protect oneself. How to detect, prevent. Shouldn’t guidelines, in some language suitable for all, be disseminated among Acheinu Bnei Yisroel about it?
Instead, people here, (especially ones out for the Orthodox’s blood) continue to mire, hash and mash in all this gory and filth. “Sure, very important to publicize” – like I’m going to be his chavrusa. C’mon. And here’s this one with the endless loop “But he’s a rasha…(yada), but he’s..” Mazel Tov. Maybe he is, maybe not, (as I wrote on that other thread, to their misfortune the didn’t pick me for a Dayan or judge). The ugly details of this nature has no business in the YWN or in any upstanding upright Torah-true household.
I believe baalei Mussar say the reason why “Miklat” was written on all roadways in Eretz Yisroel and not “Yerushalaim” for ???? ????, is because the Torah doesn’t want “murder” to be on people’s every-day talk. “Which way to the Miklat”, “Why, are you running, what happened?” “Killed someone accidently”. “Look, that man killed…” So the Torah says put up a sign and do things quietly. It’s not a thing to be on everyone’s tongue. In contrast to one doing a mitzvah of aliya lregel, aderaba, let everyone talk about him.
Same here. What has to be done, what can be done, should be done. Quietly. Delicately. These are delicate issues to a true Ben Yisroel. We don’t send our young to ***-ed, for a reason. We’re an aidele nation to G-d.December 11, 2012 5:18 pm at 5:18 pm #912221gavra_at_workParticipant
Until a person is found guilty IN A BEIS DIN AL PI EIDIM there is NO HETTER whatsoever to publicize his name and to presume that he is guilty,
Chossid Shoite!!! He at the very least has the Din of a Safek Roidef, and everyone is mechuyav to be mefarsem the fact. Haven’t you heard of Gedaliah Ben Achikam?
Don’t get all “frum” trying to go kneged Halacha.December 11, 2012 5:41 pm at 5:41 pm #912222MammeleParticipant
Yichusdik: I agree that it’s wrong to intimidate witnesses. And it should work for both sides. One of the witnesses for weberman is being slandered awfully now AND THE DIRTY ALLEGATIONS ARE UNTRUE. Oilem golem unfortunately believes everything they hear, doesn’t she have any rights?
Secondly, we live in the age of digital media. Those guys were stupid to flout the law and take pictures in court, but why assume intimidation? They were there for the fun of the trial. Most serious people stayed away because of tznios. Posting photos is second nature to the young generation today, no sinister motives needed. And her name or likeness was always public nature in her community. I remember her engagement photo floating around cyberspace, do you think whoever took the photo at her vort also had evil intentions? And Damoshe, have you ever been to one of those “lingerie” stores, they mainly sell women women’s robes, turbans and yes basic underwear, don’t make it worse than it is. it’s even possible that these were used to buy yom tov wear for needy families and he was blindsided or that he reimbursed the charity. My point is everybody was “spinning” this and the truth got buried in the process. Don’t fall for everything and repeat it as the truth.December 11, 2012 5:49 pm at 5:49 pm #912223
So lie and claim he admitted to things which he never in fact admitted to or anything close to. Perhaps it’ll fan the flames in your gehenim.
But that does not change the fact that he admitted to nothing the shakrins above claim he admitted. Or the fact that he is completely innocent.December 11, 2012 5:53 pm at 5:53 pm #912224WolfishMusingsParticipant
his wife was with the girl at all times and no one from the girl or prosecution has even denied this fact
Well, it’s true that no one at the trial denied it. They also never denied that the Invisible Pink Unicorn rained the Fairy Dust of Innocence upon them during the trip.
The WolfDecember 11, 2012 5:57 pm at 5:57 pm #912225MammeleParticipant
On a side note does anybody know why the so-called burn story was inadmissible in court? If true, such a scar lasts for years. It is preposterous stories like these that make me doubt her.December 11, 2012 6:07 pm at 6:07 pm #912226SJSinNYCMember
Unfortunately, this thread shows why many molesters get away with it.
B”H, there are many Rabbonim who say to say to send molesters to the authorities!December 11, 2012 6:45 pm at 6:45 pm #912227☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
I can think of two reasons for YWN not to report it.
1) It’s not easy to report such a story accurately without writing details which don’t fit their standards of tznius.
2) Once the alleged perpetrator is locked up, it’s hard to justify that their is toeles. However, if this were the reason, they shouldn’t allow it to be discussed in the CR either.December 11, 2012 6:53 pm at 6:53 pm #912228
It very well might be legal to take someones picture in the street, The so called Papparazzi do it.
However you are NOT allowed to take pictures of anyone in a NY courtroom , only outside.December 11, 2012 7:39 pm at 7:39 pm #912229WIYMember
That’s not true! In the legal code book of Satmar ethics it is totally mutar! At least so it appears. Now I will be accused of being anti Satmar. I am not anti Satmar. At least what Satmar used to stand for. I am not pro the Satmar that aids and abets molesters, uses witness intimidation and and has apparently chashuv people who run schools wantonly and unhesitatingly perjuring themselves in a court of law. I don’t know what Satmar truly stands for anymore. The chessed they do is amazing however you can’t do chessed and then go molest someone or do chessed and then cover up for a molester. Hashem doesn’t need such baalei chesed.December 11, 2012 8:36 pm at 8:36 pm #912230uneeqMember
Yichusdik: What statement of mine are you responding to? Do you mention me, because I’m not on the offense against the perp? I am actually leaning to him being guilty, but since there is so many different versions of what is ACTUALLY going on in the case, I will leave the judging to the judge and jury, and the articles to the NY Post.o
If anyone could find me a professionally written article that explains the entire story and court case, and not just some one sided blogger ranting against orthodox jews, I will be very thankful.December 12, 2012 4:54 am at 4:54 am #912232
Sorry Uneeq, I included you when I shouldn’t have. Meant for iced and akuperma.December 12, 2012 6:49 am at 6:49 am #912233HealthParticipant
I discussed this case already on the other topic, but your post is so off -I feel I must address it.
“There was no evidence? The girl testified that he molested her. She had gone to a social worker because she was having problems. She didn’t snitch right away. It took the social worker many hours of therapy to get it out of her. She also underwent a full psychiatric evaluation which determined that she had gone through a severe emotional trauma relating to abuse.”
Well, who said it was him? They have a video of the boyfriend doing things with her. He/she vowed revenge on Weberman for exposing them and trying to have him arrested.
“You want halachic evidence, with 2 witnesses who saw the actual act? You won’t find it. Bus this isn’t a beis din, this is an American court. They have the right, according to the Torah, to set their own rules and laws, and we are required to follow them.”
Your Am Haarotzos is appalling. No, they don’t have the right to set their own rules and laws according to the Torah. According to the Torah they can only accept evidence by a witness. It doesn’t have to be two like by Jews, but it does have to be one witness.
“and we are required to follow them”
No, they don’t have Jurisdiction over Jews.
“You say it’s anti-semitism? Why, because he was found guilty? That’s the old battle-cry of many Jews whenever they’re caught doing something wrong.”
It wasn’t just Antisemitism, but no middle aged man has a chance against the testimony of a young girl with an emotional Jury -Poor Girl.
“The guy did something wrong, and he was caught. End of story. How are you so sure he was set up? What do you know about the case?”
Prove it! It was a very poor circumstantial case.
“There were other victims who came forward, but were scared to testify.”
If true they have the right to testify against him in a court of law. Until they are subjected to cross-examination – this means nothing.
“The victim and her family were offered a bribe of half a million dollars to leave the country and drop the case.”
They should have taken the money. Now they will get nothing, even though they will win a law suit against him. So why will they get nothing? Because he will declare bankruptcy because I doubt he has any money. But maybe she can write a book like D. Feldman and go on all the talk shows, but that won’t come near 500 Grand. Her revenge will make her an overnite sensation, but soon she will be poor Goy like most Americans who can’t make ends meet. If he’s guilty, which I doubt so far, the verdict is good for the community, but she got nothing out of it. At least 500 Grand – you take it with you to the bank.
“Chassidim were arrested for taking pictures of her in court (which is illegal) and posting them online. Never mind that the Satmar Rebbe the internet is 100% assur. They posted the pictures to harass her! Why all the harassment? They were obviously trying to hide something.”
Maybe they believe he is innocent. I personally don’t know either way, but maybe it bothers them when an innocent man is being framed like that. Oh yea, that’s right, you were there – so noone could actually know him well enough and believe him when he says he’s innocent. Framing s/o is good reason to get harassed.
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