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  • anonymous
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    Im waiting for the Editor or a Mod to respond.

    I either read a thread about using 2 Usernames or emailed and asked if I could use more than one for privacy reasons, and the answer was YES, as long as Im not pretending to be someone Im not, or starting conversations with myself- using 2 Usernames in one thread (which I havent done).

    Something is wrong somewhere.

    in reply to: Temple Beth El in BP ought to become an Aish Kodesh type shul! #822327
    anonymous
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    Beautiful Davening (no talking)!

    Beautiful Shul!

    Beautiful Chazzanus!

    Excellent Drasha!

    Beautiful Achdus!

    How much are annual membership dues?

    anonymous
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    It seems that there are more Temple Beth El of BP members in the Coffee Room, than Aish Kodesh of Woodmere members. Not one Aish Kodesh of Woodmere member has offered info here about an event taking place this weekend.

    in reply to: Temple Beth El in BP ought to become an Aish Kodesh type shul! #822324
    anonymous
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    soliek, cant be bothered

    You’ve been very active and available until now.

    Do you know who would have this information that intrigues me? Do you know if there is a book out there talking about the early days of Boro Park (pre-war, during the war, post-war) and the founding members of BE, with details, etc? Personally, I think there’s the making of a best-seller there. Problem is, most of the 1920’s founding members arent alive/healthy anymore.

    in reply to: Temple Beth El in BP ought to become an Aish Kodesh type shul! #822322
    anonymous
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    soliek, please forgive me, Im totally off the topic of making changes to the Shul (present and future).

    Im sure there are loads of very interesting stories to share, dating back to the 1920’s, concerning the wealthy founders, etc. Please offer.

    You havent responded to my questions concerning the past, which are harmless:

    please, would it be possiblefor you (or others) to share some of the history of the shul?

    http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/temple-beth-el-of-borough-park-what-do-we-know-about-its-history

    in reply to: Temple Beth-El of Borough Park, what do we know about its history? #1101205
    anonymous
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    I got something 🙂

    Temple Beth-El of Borough Park(4802 15th Avenue, Brooklyn)

    in reply to: Temple Beth-El of Borough Park, what do we know about its history? #1101202
    anonymous
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    Bezalel,

    Not when it’s coming from you. If this had been your first post on the topic, it would be OK.

    So sorry. How many lashes do I deserve? After the lashes, can members, who I assume know something of the history of the Shul, respond, with your permission?

    in reply to: Temple Beth-El of Borough Park, what do we know about its history? #1101200
    anonymous
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    TG, I have nothing to add to the other two threads, so unless someone else does, the threads will die a natural death, and not bee seen on the menu of threads, after a short while.

    Meantime, this thread concerning the creation of BE, and the whos, whats, hows and whens, a museum of a Shul, intrigues me.

    Can anyone offer info to satiate my desire for knowledge? I searched the internet and havent found anything. Im sure the history is filled with very interesting facts, beginning with the founders in the 1920’s. Wikipedia has a few sentences and offers a website that leads to nothing.

    in reply to: Temple Beth El in BP ought to become an Aish Kodesh type shul! #822313
    anonymous
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    soliek, please, would it be possiblefor you (or others) to share some of the history of the shul?

    http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/temple-beth-el-of-borough-park-what-do-we-know-about-its-history

    in reply to: Temple Beth-El of Borough Park, what do we know about its history? #1101198
    anonymous
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    Just wondering if any of the members, who are in the CR, can share anything about the history of the Shul, such as the questions above. It would be fascinating.

    in reply to: Temple Beth-El of Borough Park, what do we know about its history? #1101196
    anonymous
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    TG, I meant my recent posts to be three disctinct topics, only two touch on BE though

    1. Increasing membership in BE while filling a void in BP (I angered some unfortunately).

    2. Feeling out if there’s interest in a different kind of Shul in BP, other than BE

    2. Questions about the history of BE (hopefully this is harmless and wont annoy anyone!)

    in reply to: Temple Beth El in BP ought to become an Aish Kodesh type shul! #822306
    anonymous
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    soliek, do people who appreciate the importance and beauty of the Shul, and leaving it in its present state physically, have your word (if youre really involved in the Shul politics and have input, otherwise asking you is irrelevant) that those with the power to make major decisions, will do anything in their power to make sure the building doesnt get demolished?

    What is there to lose by fighting for irrevocable landmark status?

    in reply to: Temple Beth El in BP ought to become an Aish Kodesh type shul! #822305
    anonymous
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    bpt,

    In which way would Hashem’s glory be better served; having a magnificent bldg stand like a monument to what once was or the sounds of children learning be heard?

    Sheesh! Thats a question thats not a question! Definitely the sounds of children learning!!!!

    BUT, children learning dont need that kind of artistry. That would necessitate destruction of the Shul. Whereas turning the Shul into a popular, beloved and growing place of worship, where people of all backgrounds would be inspired to bring forth children who are learning, a little less cookie-cutterish than what BP offers now, would be a far better purpose for this gem in our midst, which is also a remembrance of the post-Holocaust population in New York and their love for beautiful Shuls, (who were not Chassidish, but heros nevertheless, and I dont envy anyone who judges them) rather than gutting it to make classrooms out of the museum building.

    in reply to: Temple Beth El in BP ought to become an Aish Kodesh type shul! #822301
    anonymous
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    My dear soliek,

    you obviously dont daven there very often so it couldnt possibly be for the shuls sake so what is your real agenda?

    You dont live in Israel, I assume, do you have opinions on Israel, nevertheless????

    Do I have to type in bold for you to notice (what is your real agenda)?????????????????????????:

    I’m passionate about a stunning Shul that if it were destroyed, would be an affront and a black mark on/to all Jews/Jewish history.

    soliek, will you be selling tickets to the demolition show, ch”v????? People stood around and watched in horror the demolition of Emanuel. But it was TOO LATE.

    My dear soliek, our love and concern for the future of BE should unite us, not divide us.

    in reply to: Temple Beth El in BP ought to become an Aish Kodesh type shul! #822298
    anonymous
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    Sorry soliek, do I have your permission to be passionate about a stunning Shul that if it were destroyed, would be an affront and a black mark on/to all Jews/Jewish history?

    Sorry soliek, whats the question?

    in reply to: Temple Beth El in BP ought to become an Aish Kodesh type shul! #822296
    anonymous
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    Only fiscally thriving Shuls, occuring as a result of large and/or very generous membership, can stay afloat. What will happen when the first offer of millions come in and the Shul cant pay its bills?

    If the Shul got destroyed for lack of the members’ efforts, it would be a sad day for all.

    in reply to: A Shul that's a blend of all the new successful Shuls, for BP #823089
    anonymous
    Participant

    600,

    and when I came back 5 years ago I found that the old BP I remembered had become more and more like Williamsburgh.

    Do you really think that all of these “Williamsburgh” types belong in and feel comfortable in the real Chassidishe minyamin? I think they’d relish a leibedik minyan with old world varemkeit and ehrlichkeit but not as 100% homogenous and stringent.

    in reply to: Temple Beth El in BP ought to become an Aish Kodesh type shul! #822291
    anonymous
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    BPM, Moderators, YW Editor, why is this offensive thread allowed on here? Would you allow the same thing about Bobov???

    If Bobov would have had to import Crown Heightsers to liven up Hakafos, and

    If the bulk of Bobov Mispallelim would be 60+, and

    If Bobov membership would be steadily declining, and

    If the Bobov shul would be a masterpiece of art, the most stunning in the world,

    it WOULD BE A Mitzvah to be posting ideas to lessen the chances of the shul going the way of the bulldozers .

    ~~~

    The handwriting is clearly on the wall, wake up and smell the coffee, BE members! Do everything in your power, utilizing all your Hishtadlus, to guarantee the Shul wont be destroyed and then we’ll know you really care.

    If the Shul got destroyed for lack of the members’ efforts, it would be a sad day for all.

    in reply to: A Shul that's a blend of all the new successful Shuls, for BP #823085
    anonymous
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    If I had some partners interested in putting time, work, thought, blood, sweat and tears into it (with some seed money and the power of persuasion), I’d g l a d l y be involved. We’d save souls.

    in reply to: Temple Beth El in BP ought to become an Aish Kodesh type shul! #822281
    anonymous
    Participant

    soliek, who ever said anything about changing the derech and minhagim of the shul?

    nitpicker,

    I have only read a few of the posts on this thread and will offer

    no opinion on what bp needs now.

    I am offended by the thread itself.

    The very idea of saying what they should become and asking

    others for opinions! What gall!

    You’re right, nitpicker! Hashem will decide the fate of the Shul. Hopefully it wont go the way of Emanuel, but if it does it will be decreed from above.

    Are you offended at all by my new thread about a new type of Shul in BP? Just wondering.

    in reply to: Temple Beth El in BP ought to become an Aish Kodesh type shul! #822278
    anonymous
    Participant

    bpt, Its just a matter of time before the BE building gets taken over by one of the chassidim.

    And the most stunning Shul in the world attacked by angry bulldozers for need of more space.

    in reply to: Temple Beth El in BP ought to become an Aish Kodesh type shul! #822273
    anonymous
    Participant

    Attention all others who think BP sorely needs a new Shul that excites young and old with its geshmak davening, along the lines of a good Chazzan or Carlebach davening, with a Rabbi with loads of personality who would inspire, offering ongoing Shiurim for men and women in English, with right wing YU type leanings with old-time values and upholding Tznius, that attracts BT’s, singles and young families, striking at the heartstrings of potential OTD’s, and isnt old-time Chassidish/Rebbe style but with a varemkeit, but respects them nonetheless, that would be located in BP and attract those from inside BP looking for something different, and also those from outside BP for its warmth and hislahavus, that would almost unite all like family (there are Shuls like that), (a combination of Aish Kodesh, Hineni, Rabbi Fund’s minyan and many others known to have some of the qualities mentioned above), I wish we could all get together. Does this speak to anyone?

    in reply to: Temple Beth El in BP ought to become an Aish Kodesh type shul! #822266
    anonymous
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    Shomrei Emunah’s Rov, Rabbi Pollak moved to Lakewood, and a well known Talmid Chacham/Balebos took over as Rov. Not sure about the membership growth. Unless there’s newsorthy/major change/excitement, new members dont pop out of the woodwoork.

    Not sure what the answer is, but many twentysomethings/thirtysomethings/ fortysomethings/fiftysomethings in BP, who arent the typical straightlaced Chassidish types, and yet are still happily religious, need somewhere a little different than all the Chassidish minyanim present in BP, to fill the void.

    in reply to: Temple Beth El in BP ought to become an Aish Kodesh type shul! #822264
    anonymous
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    foodie, I am almost positive that the shul is a landmark.

    So was Emanuel! People with connections and money have their way. Emanuel was blown apart in a day, to get to it before the landmark people could get wind of the plan. Now its a glorious eye-sore of a parking lot!

    in reply to: Temple Beth El in BP ought to become an Aish Kodesh type shul! #822260
    anonymous
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    soliek,

    and whose problem is that?

    Almost everyone in the USA.

    do you daven at the shul often?

    I try, but the population was a better fit for my octogenarian and nonagenarian relatives, a”h. I went there as a small child when the Kousevitzkys were Chazzanim in BP, and there was electricity in the air and there wasnt a spare seat in the shul.

    soliek, may everyone there and the rest of Klal Yisroel live gezunterheit til 120, but what do you predict the membership will look and feel like in ten to fifteen years, if ch”v Moshiach hasnt arrived by then? This Shul is a stunning piece of history and if it doesnt go up in popularity and membership, it will unfortunately go the other direction and go the way of Emanuel, with bulldozers, even if it isnt conservative like Emanuel. I dont claim to be G-d or a prophet, but thats the way I see it. That would be a crime.

    in reply to: Temple Beth El in BP ought to become an Aish Kodesh type shul! #822255
    anonymous
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    I would but I cant leave brooklyn- kids in school, job, I have a house that that id have to sell at a huge loss now, high taxes/lifestyle, not financially doable….

    in reply to: Temple Beth El in BP ought to become an Aish Kodesh type shul! #822249
    anonymous
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    soliek, but i can tell you right now that there is now way that they will ever look to change the shul’s demographi

    Please define/clarify the above statement.

    If some slightly less religious or slightly more religious, or people who are in other ways different, were interested in joining the Shul, or Shidduchim were made as a result of increased membership, that would upset you and most of the other members?

    Generally, unless a Shul is busting at its seams, which BE is not, new members are welcome, unless such new members lessen the sanctity of the Shul and spoil the mood.

    the website needs someone to run it. if you feel like doing it…feel free. i might if no one else wants to.

    Kol Hakavod! You sound like a person with emotion and drive.

    in reply to: Temple Beth El in BP ought to become an Aish Kodesh type shul! #822245
    anonymous
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    soliek, I humbly ask, doesnt it bother you at all that a Shul that can seat and inspire thousands religiously, has a tiny fraction of that each Shabbos and Yom Tov?

    Can you offer even one improvement/change you’d like?

    in reply to: Temple Beth El in BP ought to become an Aish Kodesh type shul! #822243
    anonymous
    Participant

    soliek, doesnt it bother you at all that a Shul that can seat and inspire thousands religiously, has a tiny fraction of that each Shabbos and Yom Tov?

    Can you offer even one improvement/change you’d like?

    in reply to: Temple Beth El in BP ought to become an Aish Kodesh type shul! #822241
    anonymous
    Participant

    foodie, I can become a member in 5 minutes, if thats what having an opinion neccesitates. We all have opinions on millions of issues/groups/etc, whether we’re members or not.

    Anyhow,

    1- I wonder how the Shul pays its bills. I would imagine with difficulty.

    2- I wonder how most Shul board members and other members would feel about increased activities and interest in their Shul. Would they be upset? I doubt it. They Shul could customize based on members needs/preferences. One man, one vote! Is status quo always best left alone? No room for any improvement of any type? Doubtful.

    in reply to: Temple Beth El in BP ought to become an Aish Kodesh type shul! #822234
    anonymous
    Participant

    Mexipal, you said it!

    the rav of YIBP has been mekarev many people over the years and tries very hard to get new members including non-frum

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~

    By the way, we were paying members until an elderly relative who loved the Shul passed on.

    soliek, Emanuel was conservative but suffered from a dwindling membership, just as Beth El does. I dont think anyone thinks Beth El has much of a future, unless changes are made. A large percentage of the small numbers of Shul-goers are over 65 and their caretakers, they should live til 120.

    Id happily like to see Beth El attract more BP people and outsiders for warmth and whatever it is they are looking for (different reasons for different people), just as the many different types flock to Aish Kodesh, Hineni, Rabbi Fund, Carlebach Minyan, etc. The Rabbi wouldnt have to be Chassidish, as long as he attracts, inspires and is warm towards all types.

    Does anyone else have any ideas, with the curent Rabbi remaining?

    Would it be palatable to hire a vibrant assistant?

    in reply to: Temple Beth El in BP ought to become an Aish Kodesh type shul! #822228
    anonymous
    Participant

    soliek, I am referrring to Aish Kodesh in Woodmere with a warm inspiring Rov, loved by all, who has a YU background and moved towards Chassidus, and attracts all types to his almost electrically charged Minyanim and functions. You can google Aish Kodesh in Woodmere, and even better, see clips on You—-.

    I have been coming to Beth El for more years than Im willing to admit to hear the Chazzan. Its the most beautiful Shul in the world, in my opinion.

    BUT, to think what it could be as opposed to what it is….What a contribution it would be to Brooklyn!

    Otherwise, how much longer will it be around? It could easily go the way of the nearby Emanuel. Are they attracting new members (I dont think so)? It could be dynamite. Such wasted potential!

    in reply to: Temple Beth El in BP ought to become an Aish Kodesh type shul! #822225
    anonymous
    Participant

    Dr Seuss, How many non-frum Jews live in BP, anyways?

    Hee hee, First of all BP has lots of Jews, many not shul-goers altogether.

    More importantly, BP has lots and lots of frum Jews, walking the walk, talking the talk (with a sprinkling of some disenchanted and disinterested, on their way out to what seems to them like greener pastures- we’ve all read about them- texting, etc) and yearning for a Shul as described.

    There can only be gain.

    in reply to: Temple Beth El in BP ought to become an Aish Kodesh type shul! #822223
    anonymous
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    Thanks, Ms. Critique!

    I feel the Rabbi is a polished speaker, and dont want to put him down, but he isnt attracting and inspiring people, ranging from Chassidish to totally non-observant, including potential BT’s and potential OTD’s, from all corners of the earth, with glee and excitement, like Aish Kodesh’s Rabbi does. They have electricity in the air at Aish Kodesh, and Beth El, the stunning Shul can have the same, with the right leadership and planning.

    in reply to: Temple Beth El in BP ought to become an Aish Kodesh type shul! #822220
    anonymous
    Participant

    No opinions?

    Woudnt BP’s population benefit from an Aish Kodesh type Shul? I cant think of a single Shul, among the many existing ones, that even comes close.

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