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Philosopher: I can’t improve on your words. You’ve hit the target. Everyone is completely brainwashed by big Pharma medecines, that they can’t comprehend that something as simple as garlic or chicken soup could be of any benefit.
When “modern medicine” has no answers, we should avail ourselves to what worked for our ancestors.
The Rambam used herbs and diet to heal, and to by all accounts he was a successful physician.
When the supply of drugs from China dries up, all doctors will be unemployed, as they have no other way of dealing with sickness.
May all the Cholim have a Refuah Shelaima.
I’m in awe how some people are reacting to one who is sharing his positive experience with this flu epidemic.
instead of ridicule, you all should be thankful and be appreciative to one who shared his benefits in order to help others who may be in the same situation.
Do you have anything better to offer?
If you have nothing positive to say, shut your computer and say thilim or learn tora.
No one has an monopoly on knowledge, eve if the have a wall covered by degrees. Many famous drugs are based on so called “grand mother remedies”, which includes digitalis (foxglove plant), aspirin (from the willow tree).
Chazal teach us that “Who is a wise man, who learn from everyone”.
Be humble and love your fellow Jew.
Health: I’ll tell you why I’m Yelling. The Brisker Rov said “Ven Itz Doot Vey – Shright Men”.
I don’t care about the Anti-vaxxers – Let them all move to Guatamala.
But there are innocent kids that are affected by these anti-vaxxers.
Whose going to protest?!? I try to; why don’t YOU????
I’d like to edit your statement as follows:
If the Brisker Rav was alive today he would recognize the truth and he would shout “why are the pro vaxxers harming innocent children”.
Decades ago the incidence of autism was 1 in 10,000, while today it has reached epidemic proportions of 1in 88 in females, and 1 in 54 in males.
That’s the real epidemic that should concern us, and not the measles outbreak which trivial compared to a child becoming autistic after vaccination, and becoming a lifelong burden to the family, plus the suffering involved.
Even the CDC has never denied the possibility that vaccinations can cause autism, but have claimed that there is yet no conclusive proof for this.
This item is for those who have complete faith in Big Pharma to conduct safety tests for vaccines:
Merck accused of stonewalling in mumps vaccine antitrust lawsuit
(Reuters) – Two former Merck & Co Inc scientists accusing the drugmaker of falsifying tests of its exclusive mumps vaccine said in a court filing on Monday that Merck is refusing to respond to questions about the efficacy of the vaccine.
Attorneys at Constantine Cannon, who represent the scientists, asked U.S. Magistrate Judge Lynne Sitarski of the Eastern District of Pennsylvania to compel Merck to respond to their discovery request, which asks the company to give the efficacy of the vaccine as a percentage.
Instead of answering the question, the letter said, Merck has been consistently evasive, using “cut-and-paste” answers saying it cannot run a new clinical trial to determine the current efficacy, and providing only data from 50 years ago.
“Merck should not be permitted to raise as one of its principal defenses that its vaccine has a high efficacy, which is accurately represented on the product’s label, but then refuse to answer what it claims that efficacy actually is,” the letter said.
A representative of Merck could not immediately be reached for comment.
The two scientists, Stephen Krahling and Joan Wlochowski, filed their whistleblower lawsuit in 2010 claiming Merck, the only company licensed by the Food and Drug Administration to sell a mumps vaccine in the United States, skewed tests of the vaccine by adding animal antibodies to blood samples.
As a result, they said, Merck was able to produce test results showing that the vaccine was 95 percent effective, even though more accurate tests would have shown a lower success rate. The plaintiffs said these false results kept competitors from trying to produce their own mumps vaccines, since they were unable to match the effectiveness Merck claimed.
In 2012, Alabama-based Chatom Primary Care and two individual doctors, all purchasers of the vaccine, filed a proposed antitrust class action based on the allegations in the whistleblower suit. The two suits are now being coordinated before U.S. District Judge C. Darnell Jones and Magistrate Judge Sitarski.
The case is United States ex rel Krahling et al v. Merck & Co Inc, U.S. District Court, Eastern District of Pennsylvania, No. 10-4374.
For whistleblowers: Gordon Schnell of Constantine Cannon
For Merck: Lisa Dykstra of Morgan Lewis & Bockius
Curr Med Chem. 2011;18(17):2630-7.
Aluminum vaccine adjuvants: are they safe?
Tomljenovic L1, Shaw CA.
Neural Dynamics Research Group, Department of Ophthalmology and Visual Sciences, University of British Columbia, Vancouver, BC, V5Z 1L8, Canada. [email protected]
Aluminum is an experimentally demonstrated neurotoxin and the most commonly used vaccine adjuvant. Despite almost 90 years of widespread use of aluminum adjuvants, medical science’s understanding about their mechanisms of action is still remarkably poor. There is also a concerning scarcity of data on toxicology and pharmacokinetics of these compounds. In spite of this, the notion that aluminum in vaccines is safe appears to be widely accepted. Experimental research, however, clearly shows that aluminum adjuvants have a potential to induce serious immunological disorders in humans. In particular, aluminum in adjuvant form carries a risk for autoimmunity, long-term brain inflammation and associated neurological complications and may thus have profound and widespread adverse health consequences. In our opinion, the possibility that vaccine benefits may have been overrated and the risk of potential adverse effects underestimated, has not been rigorously evaluated in the medical and scientific community. We hope that the present paper will provide a framework for a much needed and long overdue assessment of this highly contentious medical issue.
Aluminium in brain tissue in autism
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Autism spectrum disorder is a neurodevelopmental disorder of unknown aetiology. It is suggested to involve both genetic susceptibility and environmental factors including in the latter environmental toxins. Human exposure to the environmental toxin aluminium has been linked, if tentatively, to autism spectrum disorder. Herein we have used transversely heated graphite furnace atomic absorption spectrometry to measure, for the first time, the aluminium content of brain tissue from donors with a diagnosis of autism. We have also used an aluminium-selective fluor to identify aluminium in brain tissue using fluorescence microscopy. The aluminium content of brain tissue in autism was consistently high. The mean (standard deviation) aluminium content across all 5 individuals for each lobe were 3.82(5.42), 2.30(2.00), 2.79(4.05) and 3.82(5.17) μg/g dry wt. for the occipital, frontal, temporal and parietal lobes respectively. These are some of the highest values for aluminium in human brain tissue yet recorded and one has to question why, for example, the aluminium content of the occipital lobe of a 15 year old boy would be 8.74 (11.59) μg/g dry wt.? Aluminium-selective fluorescence microscopy was used to identify aluminium in brain tissue in 10 donors. While aluminium was imaged associated with neurones it appeared to be present intracellularly in microglia-like cells and other inflammatory non-neuronal cells in the meninges, vasculature, grey and white matter. The pre-eminence of intracellular aluminium associated with non-neuronal cells was a standout observation in autism brain tissue and may offer clues as to both the origin of the brain aluminium as well as a putative role in autism spectrum disorder.
I’m not trying to prove anything, except that these studies should cause everyone to be concerned about the safety of vaccines, and not play russian roulette with our children.
Is infant immunization a risk factor for childhood asthma or allergy?
Kemp T1, Pearce N, Fitzharris P, Crane J, Fergusson D, St George I, Wickens K, Beasley R.
Pro Vaxxers, please forgive me with overwhelming you with all these studies,but just take them one by one and think about them.
The Christchurch Health and Development Study comprises 1,265 children born in 1977. The 23 children who received no diphtheria/pertussis/tetanus (DPT) and polio immunizations had no recorded asthma episodes or consultations for asthma or other allergic illness before age 10 years; in the immunized children, 23.1% had asthma episodes, 22.5% asthma consultations, and 30.0% consultations for other allergic illness. Similar differences were observed at ages 5 and 16 years. These findings do not appear to be due to differential use of health services (although this possibility cannot be excluded) or con-founding by ethnicity, socioeconomic status, parental atopy, or parental smoking.
Is exposure to aluminium adjuvants associated with social impairments in mice? A pilot study
Author links open overlay panelSneha K.S.ShethYonglingLiChristopher A.Shaw
Our group has shown that significant correlations exist between rates of Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) and total aluminum adjuvants given to children through vaccines in several Western countries. These correlations satisfied eight out of nine Hill criteria for causality. Experimental studies have demonstrated a range of behavioural abnormalities in young mice after postnatal exposure to aluminium. To build on our previous work, the current study will investigate the effect of aluminium adjuvants on social behaviour in mice. Anomalies in social interaction are a key characteristic of those with ASD.
Neonatal CD-1 mice pups were injected with either a total of 550 μg of aluminum hydroxide gel (experimental group) or saline (control) spread out during the first two weeks of postnatal life. The mice were then subjected to behavioural tests for social interest and social novelty at postnatal week 8, 17 and 29. p-Values were calculated using the Mann-Whitney and Kruskal Wallis tests.
Aluminum injected mice showed diminished social interest compared to controls at week 8 (p = 0.016) and 17 (p = 0.012). They also demonstrated abnormal social novelty from controls at week 8 (p = 0.002) and week 29 (p = 0.042).
This is the first experimental study, to our knowledge, to demonstrate that aluminum adjuvants can impair social behaviour if applied in the early period of postnatal development. The study, however, is insufficient to make any assertive claims about the link between aluminium adjuvants and ASD in humans.
Previous work has linked aluminum exposure to Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD). Social interaction anomalies are a core symptom of ASD. To our knowledge, this was the first study on social behaviour in mice after early exposure to aluminum adjuvants. We found that aluminum impairs social interaction in mice in some instances.
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I’d like to present a study that may interest the pro vaxxers.
The study published in the Lancet by Dr. Peter Aaby and other associates is titled:
The Introduction of Diphtheria-Tetanus-Pertussis and Oral Polio Vaccine Among Young Infants in an Urban African Community: A Natural Experiment
The following is an abstract of this study:
•When DTP and OPV were introduced in Guinea-Bissau in 1981, allocation by birthday resulted in a natural experiment of being vaccinated early or late.
•Between 3 and 5 months of age, children who received DTP and OPV early had 5-fold higher mortality than still unvaccinated children.
•In the only two studies of the introduction of DTP and OPV, co-administration of OPV with DTP may have reduced the negative effects of DTP.
Few studies have examined what happened to child survival when DTP and OPV were introduced in low-income countries. These vaccines were introduced in 1981 in an urban community in Guinea-Bissau from 3 months of age in connection with 3-monthly weighing sessions. Children were therefore allocated by birthday to receive vaccines early or late between 3 and 5 months of age. In this natural experiment vaccinated children had 5-fold higher mortality than not-yet-DTP-vaccinated children. DTP-only vaccinations were associated with higher mortality than DTP + OPV vaccinations. Hence, DTP may be associated with a negative effect on child survival.
We examined the introduction of diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis (DTP) and oral polio vaccine (OPV) in an urban community in Guinea-Bissau in the early 1980s.
The child population had been followed with 3-monthly nutritional weighing sessions since 1978. From June 1981 DTP and OPV were offered from 3 months of age at these sessions. Due to the 3-monthly intervals between sessions, the children were allocated by birthday in a ‘natural experiment’ to receive vaccinations early or late between 3 and 5 months of age. We included children who were <6 months of age when vaccinations started and children born until the end of December 1983. We compared mortality between 3 and 5 months of age of DTP-vaccinated and not-yet-DTP-vaccinated children in Cox proportional hazard models.
Among 3–5-month-old children, having received DTP (±OPV) was associated with a mortality hazard ratio (HR) of 5.00 (95% CI 1.53–16.3) compared with not-yet-DTP-vaccinated children. Differences in background factors did not explain the effect. The negative effect was particularly strong for children who had received DTP-only and no OPV (HR = 10.0 (2.61–38.6)). All-cause infant mortality after 3 months of age increased after the introduction of these vaccines (HR = 2.12 (1.07–4.19)).
DTP was associated with increased mortality; OPV may modify the effect of DTP.
In plain English, Dr. Aaby conclusion was that vaccinated children had at least five times higher mortality rate than unvaccinated children.
As a service to the pro vaxxer posters, I’d like to anticipate some of your responses to this study, in order to save them from bittul zman.
1) Just because some nut decided to make a study unfavorable to vaccines, I don’t have to change my blind belief in the guidelines of the infallible CDC.
2) Dr. Aaby is an idiot and moron, whose ancestors are probably in bred Appalachian Mountain people.
3) His mother who is a anti vaxxer influenced his findings.
4) He probably took a geology course in college, which automatically disqualifies him from doing any medical research.
If I missed anything, you are more than welcome to add to the collection.
00646: You said “Are you aware that the personal physician to Queen Elisabeth is a homeopath.”. Assuming this is true all it does is bolster my opinion that Queen Elizabeth is an idiot. Which isn’t surprising considering that she has spent her whole life playing “monarch” and the amount of inbreeding in royal families. Again the reason these remedies aren’t simply called “medicine” is because they have not been proven to work. Remedies that have been scientifically proven to work are called “Medicine”.
As opposed to your opinion about the mental health of Queen Elizabeth, I think this bolsters my opinion that she is highly intelligent especially as regards to the health of herself and her family. Maybe her longevity maybe attributed to the fact that she does not use the “Real Medicine” of Big Phama to poison herself.
Even though homeopathy is not focus of this thread, it’s obvious that those that disagree with the consensus of the “herd” is automatically labeled “idiot” “nut” cultist etc. etc. It’s my way or highway.
There is no real dialog or intelligent discussion here on the subject of vaccines, but who can come up with a better insult towards the opposing view.
Shame on you.
I’ll stop posting if you’ll send me some of the fruit the CDC sent you.
Where is the freedom of speech? Are we living in Stalinist Russia? Are they afraid of the truth?
000646; Beis Hillel, “Alternative” remedies (homeopathy) BY DEFINITION have either been proven not to work OR have not been proven to work. You know what they call “Alternative” or “Homeopathic” remedies that have been proven to work? Medicine. They call them Medicine.
Are you aware that the personal physician to Queen Elisabeth is a homeopath. She knows what’s real medicine, not the drugs with their myriads of side effects for which more drugs are needed to treat.
And besides, modern medicine does not claim cure any illness. All medicine today is palliative and causes more problems than it purports to benefit.
The same goes for vaccines. Whoever says that vaccines are 100% safe is lying, because the experts who are pro vaxxers say that their are risks, but claim that the benefits outweigh the risks, which is not based on any scientific studies.
I’m very sorry about my remark that the pro vaxxers are clowns. What I really meant was that some of the responses to the posts to the anti vaxxers were just insults and downright silliness.
Again I repeat my regrets for insulting anyone.
I will respect your viewpoint if you respect mine.
Heath:HTO ALL PRO-VAXXERS: You’re wasting your time arguing with Doomsday! S/he obviously has skin in the game. Probably made a career out of this, – by being Anti-vax, possibly selling Homeopathic Junk.
Have you ever studied the Science and Principles of Homeopathy? Why do you label junk about something that you don’t know anything about?
Let’s assume that dooms is earning a living selling homeopathic junk, is that comparable to the billions that big Pharma is earning from vaccines?
My only conclusion from reading these posts on this forum is this: either the pro vaxxers are all brain-dead,or are being paid by Big Pharma to promote vaccinations.
The pro vaxxers would profit more by doing the research and investigation on this controversial subject, than just wait for dooms to open her mouth and then pounce on her like a pack of wolves.
I know my words are falling on deaf ears, because even if the pro vaxxers in this forum had the truth staring at them
in their face they wouldn’t recognize it.
My message is to those parent’s who are still sitting on the fence and wish to know the truth about vaccines; do your research and study this topic. There is literally tons of information out their that encompass the pro vaccine and anti vaccination viewpoint.
I will conclude, that a parent who has diligently done his of her homework and come to the decision to vaccinate their children, I will still tip my hat to them, because they are responsible parent’s who truly care about the welfare of their children, and will not be swayed by the media (which is supported by Big Business including Big Pharma), or bullying doctors whews knowledge of immunology is zero (ask them if they even read the inserts of the vaccines).
My advice to dooms is to discontinue posting, as these clowns who promote vaccines are the real cultist and rotfim that should ousted from the community.
I’ve read with interest all the posts in this ongoing debate about vaccines. One thing that impresses me is that it appears that doomsday has done her homework concerning this issue, while the pro vaxxers are just content with vilifying her by mocking and calling her various names. Pro vaxxers, you are doing a disservice to your cause and viewpoint by acting as 5 years old children with your name calling and shouting. Any intelligent person will see that you don’t have anything substantial to say except to having full and complete faith in the government and it’s agencies.
If the government is so infallible how is it that we’ve have so many tragedies in the past where thousands of people have lost their lives due to the government’s error of approving various dangerous drugs (vioxx for example).
If you’re so trusting of government policies you should agree to the current move by the N.Y. Dept. of Education to implement 6-7 hours of secular studies in Yeshivos. After all they are populated by the greatest brains and that have our best interest in mind?
What about the current gezairo of the British Government to introduce nevola studies in chadorim and yeshivos.
So much for trusting our governments blindly.
I just ask all of you to open up your eyes and do the research about vaccines before you label those that disagree with you as cultist or meshuga etc. and not just depend on the opinion of doctors who don’t have the background or time to properly research this topic (as heard from Dr. Paul Offit who happens to be a prominent proponent of vaccinations).