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  • #1642271

    doomsday
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    Millhouse: Any damage must be done by some individual vaccine, so it only makes sense to test that specific vaccine for whatever harm it is that it’s alleged to be doing.

    You don’t make sense! There are many medicines that were tested for safety. But if you take 7-8 medicines
    AT SAME TIME it can be Deadly. So too, can taking 7-8 Vaccines AT SAME TIME be far more dangerous then
    just taking one dose. Therefore the insane CDC SCHEDULE must be tested against 100% Unvaccinated.

    #1642270

    doomsday
    Participant

    Doomsday: “Why won’t CDC do the Retrospective Study as had been requested by Congressmen???”

    2cents: You mentioned this earlier, and shown to be incorrect. Sonwhy bring this up again?

    Folks, See how 2cents keeps on lying?
    Throughout this thread I and other Anti-Vaxxers kept asking why CDC won’t do a Retrospective Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed Study. 2cents claimed there WERE 2 studies on vaxxed vs unvaxxed but those studies
    were really vaxxed vs vaxxed. And when this was pointed out, 2cents claimed that we were discussing
    MMR vaccine and not why the CDC refuses to do a vaxxed vs unvaxxed study!!! And now 2cents claims that
    I was shown to be “incorrect” when 2cents was PROVEN a LIAR (again! )

    #1642242

    2scents
    Participant

    As per Doom,

    The link between the MMR vaccine and autism is encephalitis.

    This is how it works, measles can cause encephalitis, so the vaccine can probably also cause it.
    Encephalitis can cause autism (its not the case, but this is the claim).

    Yet encephalitis is rare, especially in pediatrics.

    What are we supposed to make out of this.

    Does this actually mean that autism is a genetic disease? Can it actually be the case, so the studies which show that people with siblings that have been diagnosed with autism are more likely to be diagnosed with autism, regardless of vaccination status, are actually correct?

    #1642290

    Milhouse
    Participant

    It is against the LAW for a substance to be labeled “X-Free” to contain ANY “trace amounts” of X

    No, it is not. One more doomsday lie.

    #1642322

    2scents
    Participant

    Dooms

    “Doomsday: “Why won’t CDC do the Retrospective Study as had been requested by Congressmen???”

    2cents: You mentioned this earlier, and shown to be incorrect. Sonwhy bring this up again?

    Folks, See how 2cents keeps on lying?
    Throughout this thread I and other Anti-Vaxxers kept asking why CDC won’t do a Retrospective Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed Study. 2cents claimed there WERE 2 studies on vaxxed vs unvaxxed but those studies”

    First off, why are you pondering to the ‘folks’ instead of focusing on what you are writing?

    You asked why the CDC doesnt comply with Confresses eequest, this has been discussed that there was no request by Congress.

    Is that a lie? Has this not been discussed?

    Your a phony, actually your not a phony just an alternative person with an alternative agenda and alternative comprehension.

    #1642323

    2scents
    Participant

    By Dooms,

    “2cents claimed there WERE 2 studies on vaxxed vs unvaxxed but those studies
    were really vaxxed vs vaxxed. And when this was pointed out, 2cents claimed that we were discussing
    MMR vaccine and not why the CDC refuses to do a vaxxed vs unvaxxed study!!! And now 2cents claims that
    I was shown to be “incorrect” when 2cents was PROVEN a LIAR (again! )”

    This seems to be getting pretty personal, yet since you have a hard time comprehending something as is evident by you just repeating the same thing over and over, I guess we will just have to go in circles until you finally get it.

    Autism was the discussion at the time, I have provided you with a number of studies that have shown no link between MMR and autism.

    The only vaccine that was blamed for autism was the MMR shot, I guess you have a reading problem as I clearly have written that these studies were about the MMR shot. Vaccinated vs unvaccinated.

    #1642324

    2scents
    Participant

    Dooms,

    Below is from The Encephalitis Society:

    Measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine is a very effective way to prevent against these diseases. All three of these infections are important causes of encephalitis, and before MMR vaccine was introduced all three infections were common in the UK.

    The vaccine is unequivocally safer than letting children catch the diseases. In a study carried out in Finland between 1982 and 1986 of over half of million children, it was found that the incidence of encephalitis in the three months following a MMR vaccination was no different to the overall incidence. The example below compares the risk of measles with the risk of MMR vaccine.

    Measles

    1-3 in 1,000 children contracting measles will develop encephalitis concurrent with the measles infection. 10–15% of those children will die and a further 25% will be left with permanent neurological damage.
    1 in 1,000 children with measles will develop post-infectious encephalitis.
    1 in 25,000 of children (1 in 5,500 children if they are under 1) with measles will develop subacute sclerosing panencephalitis (SSPE) which has a fatal (death) outcome.
    1-2 in 1.000.000 children who had vaccination will develop encephalitis from the vaccination which is less than the incidence of all types of encephalitis.

    #1642328

    2scents
    Participant

    German Study.

    “Parental asthma and nasal allergy increase asthma incidence in offspring up to adulthood. Avoiding tobacco smoke exposure during pregnancy, receiving vaccinations in early childhood, and starting day care between 1.5 and 3 years of age might prevent or delay the development of asthma.”
    -American Academy of Asthma

    “The prevalence of allergic diseases and non-specific infections in children and adolescents was not found to depend on vaccination status.

    Protective vaccinations are among the most important and effective preventive measures in modern medicine (1). They make a substantial contribution to reducing the probability of contracting many infectious diseases as well as their severity. The immediate goal of a vaccination is to protect the vaccinated person from a disease. Achieving high rates of vaccinated persons additionally results in the so called herd immunity.

    -PMID 21412506

    “We use data from the Cebu Longitudinal Health and Nutrition Survey (CLHNS) in the Philippines to link vaccination in the first 2 years of life with later physical and cognitive development in children. We use propensity score matching to estimate the causal effect of vaccination on child development. We find no effect of vaccination on later height or weight, but full childhood vaccination for measles, polio, Tuberculosis (TB), Diphtheria, Pertussis and Tetanus (DPT) significantly increases cognitive test scores relative to matched children who received no vaccinations. The size of the effect is large, raising test scores, on average, by about half an SD.”

    #1642331

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    doomsday
    “You don’t make sense! There are many medicines that were tested for safety. But if you take 7-8 medicines
    AT SAME TIME it can be Deadly. So too, can taking 7-8 Vaccines AT SAME TIME be far more dangerous then”

    Sorry, but you don’t make sense.
    taking multiple medications doesnt magically make then deadly. True, there are specific combinations where one medication inhibits the breakdown (or accelerates) of another . Thus in those specific cases, for reasns that are clear taking them together can have detrimental effects.

    Also earlier, you implied that while healthiest where those who are 100% unvaccinated, those who were vaccinated would benefit from the flu vaccine. IS this in fact your view.

    Also Machla is eagerly awaiting a response to her question

    #1642411

    doomsday
    Participant

    Doomsday: It is against the LAW for a substance to be labeled “X-Free” to contain ANY “trace amounts” of X

    Millhouse: No, it is not. One more doomsday lie.

    Yes, it is. Another Millhouse Lie. Most likely due to vaccines, many people are deadly allergic to things like
    peanuts. Also many people are VERY sensitive to gluten. If a product is labeled “peanut free” it means
    PEANUT-FREE – it is ILLEGAL to contain “trace amounts” of peanuts which can KILL!. If a product is labeled
    “gluten-free” it is ILLEGAL to contain “trace amounts” of gluten!

    But Vaccines that are labeled “Thimerosal-Free” are ALLOWED to break this Law and contain up to
    1 Mcg of Thimerosal. And it is stated on CDC website that “Thimerosal-Free” Vaccines can contain “trace amounts” of Thimerosal! More Evidence that CDC and FDA work for Pharmaceutical Companies and
    NOT for the American People!

    #1642414

    Some Common Sense
    Participant

    Is there a point to arguing with someone who will not listen to science, Da’as Torah or reason and only repeats the same information no matter what you say?

    #1642415

    doomsday
    Participant

    2Cents: The only vaccine that was blamed for autism was the MMR shot,

    LIE! Thimerosal and Aluminum known NEUROTOXINS and are also blamed for Autism.
    MMR NEVER CONTAINED THIMEROSAL!

    Folks, I wrote this same post earlier, but 2Cents keeps repeating her Lie anyway.
    Which tells you that ProVaxxers Deliberately Lie and you cannot believe anything they say.

    #1642421

    doomsday
    Participant

    2cents: You asked why the CDC doesnt comply with Confresses eequest, this has been discussed that there was no request by Congress.

    Congressman Bill Posey and Congresswoman Carolyn Maloney have repeatedly asked CDC officials to do
    a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study. CDC refuses. Congressman Posey and Congresswoman Maloney proposed a
    Law to FORCE CDC to do a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study “Vaccine Safety Study Act”.
    But because Pharmaceutical Industry is the Biggest BRIBER of Congress, this Law was not passed.

    Folks, you just cannot believe anything the ProVaxxers on this thread say.
    They are just lying through their teeth.

    #1642425

    doomsday
    Participant

    2Cents: Does this actually mean that autism is a genetic disease?

    Folks, it is Scientifically IMPOSSIBLE for Autism to go from 1:10,000 in 1970s to 1:50 today because of Genetics!
    It has to be something in the ENVIRONMENT that is causing Autism. Thimerosal and Aluminum in Vaccines are known NEUROTOXINS (cause brain damage). MMR contains Live Measles Virus which can cause Encephalitis (can cause brain damage). The EVER-INCREASING Autism rate directly correlates to the EVER INCREASING CDC Vaccine Schedule.

    There IS a genetic component. Not everyone is harmed the SAME way by Vaccines. Some get Autism. Some get ADHD. Some get Learning Disabilities. Some get Diabetes. Some get Cancer. Some get Epilepsy. Some get
    Allergies. And Some appear to be unharmed but we don’t know for sure. On the Vaccine Inserts it states:
    Vaccine NOT tested for Carcinogenic (Cancer Causing) or INFERTILITY (which is now 1:6).

    Children born After the CDC TRIPLED the Vaccine Schedule (AFTER Vaccine Industry cannot be sued for Vaccine Injury/Death) are the SICKEST GENERATION in the History of the United States. The Fact that
    CDC REFUSES to do Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study is further Evidence that Vaccines are DANGEROUS.

    Anti-Vaxxers do not want to play Vaccine Russian Roulette with our children.
    It is a Human Rights Violation to FORCE Unknown Risks on Healthy People against our Will!

    #1642426

    doomsday
    Participant

    Ubiquiton: taking multiple medications doesnt magically make then deadly.

    Folks, do you believe that? Ever heard of a doctor prescribing 7-8 Medications to be taken AT ONE TIME???

    Ubiquiton, Has anyone TESTED the CDC Schedule (not individual vaccines) to see if that statement is True?

    The answer is No. The CDC SCHEDULE of 7-8 Vaccines given at once has NEVER been safety tested!
    Folks, Still Trust the CDC? Still Trust that Vaccines are safe???

    #1642440

    doomsday
    Participant

    2Cents: full childhood vaccination for measles, polio, Tuberculosis (TB), Diphtheria, Pertussis and Tetanus (DPT) significantly increases cognitive test scores relative to matched children who received no vaccinations.

    Another FRAUDULENT Study to fool people that Vaccines are Safe – They’re Not.
    The “fully” Vaccinated Children were on the PHILIPPINE Vaccine Schedule which is MUCH, MUCH LESS
    then the CDC Schedule. Philippine children only get ONE DOSE of Aluminum containing DPT. But CDC
    schedule FORCES ELEVEN doses of Aluminum containing vaccines by age 6 months, and SIXTEEN doses of Aluminum containing vaccines by 2 years. Aluminum adjuvant is probably the most dangerous vaccine ingredient. CDC Schedule: 11 Doses by Six Months = 3,675 mcg Aluminum in FIRST 6 MONTHS! + 4 More doses of Aluminum before age 2 compared to ONLY ONE dose DPT (625 mcg) done in Phillipines!

    So this study Proves that the CDC Schedule is DANGEROUS because in USA 1:6 kids is learning disabled,
    1:15 kids is ADHD and 1:50 Kids is Autistic. But UNVACCINATED kids in USA have Far Less of these diseases.

    There were other explanations why Vaccinated kids scored higher in school (NOT the vaccines)!
    The Vaccinated children had:
    1) had mothers with more education,
    2) had higher socioeconomic status,
    3) lived in larger homes,
    4) had more toilet/sanitation access,
    5) had fewer siblings,
    6) had better-nourished mothers,
    7) had more breastfeeding as infants

    …than the UNVACCINATED!

    #1642442

    Milhouse
    Participant

    You asked why the CDC doesnt comply with Confresses eequest, this has been discussed that there was no request by Congress.

    Yes, when this was exposed she simply switched claims, and now says the study was requested by congressmen. Which is perfectly true, but irrelevant, because there’s nothing special about a nut who happens to be in Congress, and no reason the CDC should pay such a person’s delusional rantings any special attention.

    #1642443

    doomsday
    Participant

    Folks, what is more dangerous – Vaccines or Measles? You decide.
    Since CDC TRIPLED the Vaccine Schedule (and keeps adding to it) around 1990, Autism went from
    1:10,000 to 1:50 today (and Autism rate keeps going up as CDC keeps FORCING more and more vaccines)
    Since the CDC TRIPLED the Vaccine schedule around 1990, Autism went from 1:10,000 to 1:50 today!

    1:6 children are learning disabled
    1:6 children are allergic
    1:13 children have asthma
    1:15 children have ADHD
    1:5 teens had episode of mental illness
    1:8 children have IBS
    1:50 children have autism
    1:100 children have epilepsy
    1:250 children have tourettes syndrome
    1:400 children have diabetes
    1:775 babies die of SIDS
    1:1,000 children have Celiac Disease
    1:5,560 children have CANCER
    168 Deaths following vaccines reported to VAERS every year.
    ZERO deaths from Measles (in USA).

    #1642454

    Milhouse
    Participant

    Doomsday: It is against the LAW for a substance to be labeled “X-Free” to contain ANY “trace amounts” of X

    Millhouse: No, it is not. One more doomsday lie.

    Yes, it is. Another Millhouse Lie.

    No, doomsday, it really isn’t. There is no such law as you claim. Look it up, or ask someone who actually knows the law and they will tell you. You are ignorant and delusional, and just make up laws which do not exist.

    #1642459

    Meno
    Participant

    ZERO deaths from Measles (in USA)

    Well there you have it. Clear, indisputable proof that measles is not dangerous.

    #1642474

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    “Folks, do you believe that? Ever heard of a doctor prescribing 7-8 Medications to be taken AT ONE TIME???”

    I’m not sure if you are being serious but litterally daily.

    Here is a med list of patient I saw these are his AM meds (note: he is part of an “older generation” who was not zoche have received them all as a child:

    1) Aspirin
    2) HCTZ
    3) Nifedipine
    4) Metformin
    5) Januvia
    6) Olmesartan
    7) Metoprolol
    8) Xarelto

    “Has anyone TESTED the CDC Schedule (not individual vaccines) to see if that statement is True?”

    Of course! otherwise how would we know?

    for example see : Glanz JM, Newcomer SR, Daley MF, et al. Association Between Estimated Cumulative Vaccine Antigen Exposure Through the First 23 Months of Life and Non–Vaccine-Targeted Infections From 24 Through 47 Months of Age. JAMA. 2018;319(9):906–913. doi:10.1001/jama.2018.0708

    “Folks, Still Trust the CDC? Still Trust that Vaccines are safe???”
    More than ever! I knew they had studies, but didn’t realize HOW MANY

    Also, when you get a chance if you could clarify your view on whether more vaccines help those who have already been vaccinated (as you indicated earlier)
    and if you could please answer MAchla’s question

    Thanks

    #1642484

    doomsday
    Participant

    2Cents: Quoting from Encephalitis Society:1-3 in 1,000 children contracting measles will develop encephalitis

    This is a LIE. Here is a Quote from the CDC Website:
    “It is estimated 3 to 4 million people in the United States were infected each year. Also each year, among reported cases, an estimated 400 to 500 people died…and 1,000 suffered encephalitis (swelling of the brain) from measles.”

    3.5 Million divided by 1,000 cases of encephalitis = 1:3,500 which is NOT 1:1,000 as quoted by Encephalitis Society.
    CDC also LIES and CONTRADICTS itself, indicating Measles caused encephalitis 1:3,500 and in another page says Measles causes encephalitis 1:1,000.
    CDC indicates that Measles caused about 1:10,000 deaths and on another page says Measles kill 1-2 out 1,000.

    In USA there are ZERO deaths from Measles but there are 168 REPORTED Deaths from Vaccines every year!

    #1642496

    Milhouse
    Participant

    2cents: You asked why the CDC doesnt comply with Confresses eequest, this has been discussed that there was no request by Congress.

    Congressman Bill Posey and Congresswoman Carolyn Maloney have repeatedly asked CDC officials to do a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study. CDC refuses.

    Posey and Maloney are not Congress. The CDC has no reason to pay them any attention.

    Congressman Posey and Congresswoman Maloney proposed a
    Law to FORCE CDC to do a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study “Vaccine Safety Study Act”. But because Pharmaceutical Industry is the Biggest BRIBER of Congress, this Law was not passed.

    More deliberate outright lies and slander. You have no right to accuse anyone of criminal activity without evidence. Or I will accuse you right here of murder, robbery, mugging, and removing the tags from mattresses.

    The bill (not a law) was buried in committee not because of any alleged bribery, but because it had absolutely no merit. There was never any reason to expect anything else. Or are you next going to suggest that bills proposed by congressmen can automatically be expected to pass, and there’s something unusual about this one getting thrown in the garbage where it belonged?

    #1642501

    Milhouse
    Participant

    Folks, it is Scientifically IMPOSSIBLE for Autism to go from 1:10,000 in 1970s to 1:50 today because of Genetics!

    It didn’t. It was never 1:10K. There has been a significant increase, which very likely is due entirely to genetics. There is no need to suppose anything else.

    #1642503

    2scents
    Participant

    Dooms.

    “There were other explanations why Vaccinated kids scored higher in school (NOT the vaccines)!
    The Vaccinated children had:
    1) had mothers with more education,
    2) had higher socioeconomic status,
    3) lived in larger homes,
    4) had more toilet/sanitation access,
    5) had fewer siblings,
    6) had better-nourished mothers,
    7) had more breastfeeding as infants

    …than the UNVACCINATED!”

    Exactly, it so happens to be that the uneducated do not vaccinate.

    #1642508

    2scents
    Participant

    Dooms.

    These were muy words:

    “there was no request by Congress.”

    If this is a lie, then be so kind to show us all the request that was submitted by Congress.

    #1642513

    2scents
    Participant

    Below are exerts from studies with information where this was published, unlike dumb doom (sorry for the name calling, but now that you have repeatedly resorted to the name-calling, it is about time I give you a label)

    Vaccines not associated with Autism. (PubMed 23545349)

    “This case-control study of more than 1,000 children compared the total exposure of antibody-stimulating proteins and polysaccharides in children with autism spectrum disorder (ASD), autistic disorder (AD), or ASD with regression to the total exposure in children who were not diagnosed with any form of autism. The children included in the study were aged 6- 13 years, but authors studied their exposures from vaccines during the first 2 years of life. Results showed that the odds of developing any of the three forms of autism studied did not rise with increased exposure to antibody-stimulating proteins and polysaccharides.”

    Timely vaccination during infancy has no adverse effect on neuropsychological outcomes 7 to 10 years later. Pediatrics June 2010

    “RESULTS: Timely vaccination was associated with better performance on 12 outcomes in univariate testing and remained associated with better performance for 2 outcomes in multivariable analyses. No statistically significant differences favored delayed receipt. In secondary analyses, children with the greatest vaccine exposure during the first 7 months of life performed better than children with the least vaccine exposure on 15 outcomes in univariate testing; these differences did not persist in multivariable analyses. No statistically significant differences favored the less vaccinated children.
    CONCLUSIONS: Timely vaccination during infancy has no adverse effect on neuropsychological outcomes 7 to 10 years later. These data may reassure parents who are concerned that children receive too many vaccines too soon.”

    Lancet, Volume 351, Issue 9112

    “No evidence for measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine-associated inflammatory bowel disease or autism in a 14-year prospective study”

    Lancet. 1999 Jun 12;353(9169):2026-9.

    “Our analyses do not support a causal association between MMR vaccine and autism. If such an association occurs, it is so rare that it could not be identified in this large regional sample.”

    Kaye JA, et al., British Medical Journal. 2001; 322:460-63

    “The data provide evidence that no correlation exists between the prevalence of MMR vaccination and the rapid increase in the risk of autism over time.”

    #1642514

    Milhouse
    Participant

    You don’t make sense! There are many medicines that were tested for safety. But if you take 7-8 medicines AT SAME TIME it can be Deadly.

    How? What is the mechanism by which medicines which are individually safe, and which have no known interaction with each other, can magically become deadly simply because a large number of them are taken at the same time?

    #1642525

    2scents
    Participant

    More studies.

    No correlation between MMR vaccine rates and autism. JAMA. 2001;285(9):1183-118

    “Results Essentially no correlation was observed between the secular trend of early childhood MMR immunization rates in California and the secular trend in numbers of children with autism enrolled in California’s regional service center system. For the 1980-1994 birth cohorts, a marked, sustained increase in autism case numbers was noted, from 44 cases per 100 000 live births in the 1980 cohort to 208 cases per 100 000 live births in the 1994 cohort (a 373% relative increase), but changes in early childhood MMR immunization coverage over the same time period were much smaller and of shorter duration. Immunization coverage by the age of 24 months increased from 72% to 82%, a relative increase of only 14%, over the same time period.
    Conclusions These data do not suggest an association between MMR immunization among young children and an increase in autism occurrence”

    Another study disproves Wakefield’s findings. Davis RL, et al., Archives of Pediatric and Adolescent Medicine. 2001;155(3): 354-9

    “Conclusions Vaccination with MMR or other MCV, or the timing of vaccination early in life, did not increase the risk for IBD.”

    Study of 535,544 vaccinated children found no association between the MMR vaccine and Encephalitis, Meningitis or autism. Makela A, et al., Pediatrics. 2002; 110: 957-63 (PubMed 12415036)

    “CONCLUSIONS:
    We did not identify any association between MMR vaccination and encephalitis, aseptic meningitis, or autism.”

    Study of 537,303 Children fails to find a correlation between the MMR vaccine and Autism. Madsen KM, et al., New England Journal of Medicine. 2002;

    “CONCLUSIONS:
    This study provides strong evidence against the hypothesis that MMR vaccination causes autism.”

    #1642566

    jay23
    Participant

    @dooms according to the fda gluten free products can contain up to 20ppm (parts per million ) and be labeled GLUTEN FREE. now you said vacaciness can contain theramosal up to 1mcg ( which is the same measurement as ppm) so vaccines by that standard would be able to contain 20mcg under the regulation by gluten. So you are clearly in the wrong about This point

    #1642586

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    If this is a lie, then be so kind to show us all the request that was submitted by Congress.

    This was one of Doomsday’s many lies.

    #1642588

    2scents
    Participant

    “Folks, what is more dangerous – Vaccines or Measles? You decide.
    Since CDC TRIPLED the Vaccine Schedule (and keeps adding to it) around 1990, Autism went from
    1:10,000 to 1:50 today (and Autism rate keeps going up as CDC keeps FORCING more and more vaccines)”

    The most important thing you need to do is prove the link, otherwise, there are so many correlations that are to blame for this increase. including changes of diagnostics (you seemed OK to take that argument against the SIDS diagnoses but not when it the argument undermines your theory).

    Just because they both happened in the same period of time, does not prove a correlation. Regardless of how many times you will repeat it.

    In fact, I have posted a number of studies that prove that there is no link, no correlation between vaccines and the diseases that you listed.

    #1642580

    2scents
    Participant

    More studies proving vaccine safety and debunking myths by radical anti-medicine websites.

    Study of total population showing no change to Autism despite completely stopping to vaccinate. (PMID: 15877763)

    “RESULTS:
    The MMR vaccination rate in the city of Yokohama declined significantly in the birth cohorts of years 1988 through 1992, and not a single vaccination was administered in 1993 or thereafter. In contrast, cumulative incidence of ASD up to age seven increased significantly in the birth cohorts of years 1988 through 1996 and most notably rose dramatically beginning with the birth cohort of 1993.
    CONCLUSIONS:
    The significance of this finding is that MMR vaccination is most unlikely to be a main cause of ASD, that it cannot explain the rise over time in the incidence of ASD, and that withdrawal of MMR in countries where it is still being used cannot be expected to lead to a reduction in the incidence of ASD.”

    Immunization Safety Review: Vaccines and Autism. institute of Medicine, The National Academies Press: 2004

    “The committee rejected a causal relationship between the MMR vaccine and autism as well as a causal relationship between thimerosal-containing vaccines and autism.”

    Review of autistic children shows no regression that is related to the MMR vaccine. PMID: 16729252

    “There was no evidence that onset of autistic symptoms or of regression was related to measles-mumps-rubella vaccination. The implications of these findings for the existence of a ‘regressive phenotype’ of ASD are discussed.”

    No difference in developmental disorders despite not being exposed to thimerosal. Fombonne E, et al., Pediatrics. 2006; 118(1): e139-50

    “CONCLUSIONS:
    The prevalence of pervasive developmental disorder in Montreal was high, increasing in recent birth cohorts as found in most countries. Factors accounting for the increase include a broadening of diagnostic concepts and criteria, increased awareness and, therefore, better identification of children with pervasive developmental disorders in communities and epidemiologic surveys, and improved access to services. The findings ruled out an association between pervasive developmental disorder and either high levels of ethylmercury exposure comparable with those experienced in the United States in the 1990s or 1- or 2-dose measles-mumps-rubella vaccinations”

    No association between Thimerosal and autism. Hviid, et al., Journal of the American Medical Association. 2003; 290(13):1763-6

    “CONCLUSION:
    The results do not support a causal relationship between childhood vaccination with thimerosal-containing vaccines and development of autistic-spectrum disorders.”

    Increase in autism when thimerosal was discontinued showing no correlation. PMID: 12949291

    “CONCLUSIONS:
    The discontinuation of thimerosal-containing vaccines in Denmark in 1992 was followed by an increase in the incidence of autism. Our ecological data do not support a correlation between thimerosal-containing vaccines and the incidence of autism.”

    Thimerosal-containing vaccines do not cause autism. Stehr-Green P, et al., American Journal of Preventive Medicine. 2003;

    “CONCLUSIONS:
    The body of existing data, including the ecologic data presented herein, is not consistent with the hypothesis that increased exposure to Thimerosal-containing vaccines is responsible for the apparent increase in the rates of autism in young children being observed worldwide.”

    Levels of mercury in children after receipt of thimerosal-containing vaccines. Pediatrics Feb 2008, Volume 121.

    After 5 days there were no detectable mercury levels, the half-life of intramuscular ethyl mercury is substantially shorter than that of oral methyl mercury.

    Lower rate of autism in children vaccinated with the MMR vaccine vs those that are unvaccinated. Budzyn D, et al., The Pediatric Infectious Disease Journal.

    “RESULTS:
    For children vaccinated before diagnosis, autism risk was lower in children vaccinated with MMR than in the nonvaccinated (OR: 0.17, 95% CI: 0.06-0.52) as well as to vaccinated with single measles vaccine (OR: 0.44, 95% CI: 0.22-0.91). The risk for vaccinated versus nonvaccinated (independent of vaccine type) was 0.28 (95% CI: 0.10-0.76). The risk connected with being vaccinated before onset of first symptoms was significantly lower only for MMR versus single vaccine (OR: 0.47, 95% CI: 0.22-0.99).
    CONCLUSIONS:
    The study provides evidence against the association of autism with either MMR or a single measles vaccine.”

    #1642589

    doomsday
    Participant

    2Cents: Exactly, it so happens to be that the uneducated do not vaccinate.

    But in USA it is the OPPOSITE. It is the Rich, White, College Educated Parents who do not vaccinate.
    So you proved that studies performed in OTHER countries are not Valid for USA.

    Folks, notice how all these vaccine safety studies are NOT done in USA but in Foreign Countries?
    This is one of the FRAUD Tricks. Foreign Vaccines are DIFFERENT from USA Vaccines and
    Foreign Vaccine Schedules are DIFFERENT from USA Schedules.
    So the conclusions of these Fraudulent FOREIGN studies are NOT VALID for USA!

    #1642584

    benignuman
    Participant

    I am (perhaps foolishly) wading back in here to point out a contradiction in doomsday’s propaganda.

    Doomsday demands a study of “Vaccinateded per CDC Schedule vs 100% UnVaccinated.” Implying that it is the vaccine package as a whole (including the Polio and Smallpox vaccines) that is causing the problem and not just the newer vaccines.

    On the other hand doomsday repeats, again and again, that “Since the CDC TRIPLED the Vaccine schedule around 1990, Autism went from 1:10,000 to 1:50 today!” Implying that it is the relatively recent increase in vaccines that have caused the problem. Make up your mind, doomsday.

    As an aside, doomsday is confusing autism diagnosis with actual autism. Autism was increasingly diagnosed from 1987 onwards because it’s definition was expanded in the DSM and broadened again in 1994 and 2000. Doctors diagnose what they are taught to diagnose and give the labels that are recognized by their fields and the government (that provide services).

    I don’t know where doomsday’s numbers for her parade of horribles from vaccines are coming from (some anti-vaxx site?) but SIDS deaths are down in the United States since 1990 (because parents were taught not to let babies sleep on their stomachs), not up. From the CDC website: “Sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) rates declined considerably from 130.3 deaths per 100,000 live births in 1990 to 38.0 deaths per 100,000 live births in 2016.”

    So take doomsday’s numbers with many grains of salt.

    #1642608

    doomsday
    Participant

    Daas Yochid: If this is a lie, then be so kind to show us all the request that was submitted by Congress.
    This was one of Doomsday’s many lies.

    Millhouse: 2cents: You asked why the CDC doesnt comply with Confresses request, this has been discussed that there was no request by Congress.
    Posey and Maloney are not Congress.

    Folks, More Proof that ProVaxxers on this Thread are Liars! I wrote CONGRESSMEN not CONGRESS which is
    100% TRUE!

    #1642604

    doomsday
    Participant

    2Cents: These were my words“there was no request by Congress.” If this is a lie, then be so kind to show us all the request that was submitted by Congress.

    Yes, it is a LIE because MY words were ““Why won’t CDC do the Retrospective Study as had been requested by Congressmen???””

    I wrote CONGRESSMEN not CONGRESS as 2Cents yet again Lies, this time by Changing My Words!

    #1642627

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Yes, it is a LIE because MY words were ““Why won’t CDC do the Retrospective Study as had been requested by Congressmen???””

    I wrote CONGRESSMEN not CONGRESS as 2Cents yet again Lies, this time by Changing My Words!

    You wrote, “Congress requested from the CDC a Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed Study, but the CDC refuses.”

    https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/reply/1636164

    Who’s lying?

    #1642639

    2scents
    Participant

    Doomsday,

    “I wrote CONGRESSMEN not CONGRESS as 2Cents yet again Lies, this time by Changing My Words!”

    I posted what I myself wrote, which is that Congress has never requested, you claimed that what I wrote was a lie, now you are claiming that I changed what you wrote, why would you think that I would be at all interested in what you wrote?

    If that was a lie, then can you actually show us where Congress requested the study?

    By the way, you did post earlier that Congress requested a certain study. Was that an error on your part, on the part of the radical conspiracy-minded site or was that a twist of the actual truth, which is typical for you.

    You can write liar as many times as you prefer, the fact remains you have posted a lot of stuff that has been shown to actually conclude the opposite of what you implied they conclude.
    you have posted stuff that is simply not true, this has been proven multiple times.

    Does it make you feel less guilty if you start blaming others for lying when all they did was just copy/paste something that was already written?

    As I have posted earlier, you are either a fraud or very dumb. Now I am thinking that you are just a dumb fraudster. You have an agenda, and it is for sure not the facts.

    You make up facts (or at best just accept what is posted on radical anti-medicine blogs), you blame people for lying, just because you prefer that it be that way, despite the fact that there was nothing to even lie about as I was just posting what I posted earlier. Typical ‘alternative’ way of thinking.

    Edited

    #1642703

    doomsday
    Participant

    DaasYochid: You wrote, “Congress requested from the CDC a Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed Study, but the CDC refuses.” https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/reply/1636164. Who’s lying?

    2Cents is lying because it is NOT 12/3! On 12/11/18 I wrote TWICE (1641462 & 1642162):
    “Why won’t CDC do the Retrospective Study as had been requested by Congressmen???”

    I said Twice CongressMEN and NOT Congress, so 2Cents lied.

    #1642702

    doomsday
    Participant

    Folks, PROOF 2Cents is a Liar:

    12/11/18 #1641462 Doomsday: Why won’t CDC do the Retrospective Study as had been requested by Congressmen???
    12/11/18 #1642162 Doomsday: Why won’t CDC do the Retrospective Study as had been requested by Congressmen???
    12/12/18 2Cents: You asked why the CDC doesnt comply with Congresses request, this has been discussed that there was no request by Congress.

    Folks, look at the above Posts – Did I say Congress or CongressMEN? 2Cents LIED that I said Congress when
    I TWICE wrote CongressMEN.
    Folks, I gave the dates and the Post Numbers so you can see for yourself that 2Cents is the Liar.

    And there WERE requests by CongressMEN and CongressMEN even introduced a Bill to FORCE CDC to conduct a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study which CDC adamantly Refuses to do!!

    #1642719

    doomsday
    Participant

    Folks, I have given examples of how CDC Researchers commit FRAUD to MISLEAD the public that Vaccines
    are Safe. (They are NOT).

    Additionally, you can google “studies vaccines linked to autism” or “studies vaccines harmful” and you
    will see over 150 studies showing Vaccines are Dangerous. These are Studies by REAL Scientists.

    It was a Smoker Vs Non-Smoker Study that PROVED Smoking causes Cancer after the Tobacco Industry
    LIED that Smoking does NOT Cause Cancer for over THIRTY YEARS!
    But the CDC refuses to do the MOST CONCLUSIVE STUDY – a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study – even though
    repeatedly requested by CongressMEN. That is also Evidence of CDC COVER-UP!!!

    #1642714

    doomsday
    Participant

    Folks, the ProVaxxers keep bringing up Studies “proving” that vaccines don’t cause autism.

    I have given concrete examples on specific studies cited HOW they committed Fraud.

    Like the Phillipines study that showed Vaccinated children had higher cognition then Unvaccinated Children. The Fraud is that Phillipine Vaccine Schedule has only a FRACTION of ALUMINUM that the CDC Schedule has. Also, In Philippines, the Vaccinated Children came from Richer Homes, with Better Educated Parents, Better Food, Better Sanitation (toilets) and THAT’S why they score higher in school – not the vaccines!

    Another CDC Fraudulent Study: The Danish Study claimed that the number of NEW Autism Cases went UP
    AFTER Thimerosal was removed from Vaccines. But here is how CDC Study Committed FRAUD:

    1. BEFORE 1992, the Fake researchers ONLY counted autistic children in HOSPITALS. AFTER 1992, the Fake researchers included autistic children who were living at HOME (outpatients)! There are TEN TIMES as
    many Autistic Children living at Home then in Hospitals. THAT is how they FAKED that the number of
    Autism Increased!!!

    2. AFTER 1992, The Danish Government CHANGED the Definition of Autism to a more inclusive one.
    THAT is ANOTHER REASON, why the number of children diagnosed with Autism Went Up!!!

    3. All the Researchers were Employees or had Close Connection to Vaccine Industry which they did NOT
    Disclose. This is FRAUD.

    4. One researcher, Poul Thorson, was indicted on 22 counts of Fraud and fled USA and is on the Most Wanted Criminals List. These are the “Holy Researchers” employed by the CDC!

    Folks, after seeing how the CDC hires Criminals to produce Fake Studies to Lie to the public that Vaccines don’t cause Autism (it does), how can you trust them?

    #1642720

    doomsday
    Participant

    “In June 2009, an American senate investigation revealed that drug companies, including those that make drugs he advocates for childhood bipolar disorder, had paid Biederman $1.6 million in “consulting” and “speaking” fees between 2000 and 2007”.

    Dr. Joseph Biederman was a researcher who made Fraudulent Studies for Pharmaceutical Companies.
    In addition to being paid the standard fee as a researcher, the Pharmaceutical Companies also paid
    Biederman $1.6 MILLION in “consulting” and “speaking” fees. In other words Biederman got a $1.6 Million BRIBE from Pharmaceutical Companies as a reward for making Fraudulent Studies for them!

    We live in a very corrupt world and anyone who has blind trust in government or corporations is a fool!

    #1642845

    2scents
    Participant

    Dooms,

    “he Fraud is that Phillipine Vaccine Schedule has only a FRACTION of ALUMINUM that the CDC Schedule has”

    You know that until you do not prove what you wrote, no one will take your word for it.

    “BEFORE 1992, the Fake researchers ONLY counted autistic children in HOSPITALS. AFTER 1992, the Fake researchers included autistic children who were living at HOME (outpatients)! There are TEN TIMES as
    many Autistic Children living at Home then in Hospitals.”

    Which Danish study are you referring to, there are a number of them, they are all very large.

    I actually took the time to read the Danish study that was published in the NEJM titled “A POPULATION-BASED STUDY OF MEASLES, MUMPS, AND RUBELLA
    VACCINATION AND AUTISM”
    Nowhere does it state that there has been a change in 1995 on what type of patients they were focused on. furthermore, some of the same patients that have not gotten the MMR vaccine have also not gotten other vaccines, yet the rate of autism was the same.

    This is the conclusion;
    “There was no association between
    the age at the time of vaccination, the time since vaccination, or the date of vaccination and the development of autistic disorder.”

    yet you and the radical website age of autism have figured out that this is just a fraud.

    maybe you are referring to this study? (JAMA Pediatr. 2013 Oct;)

    “CONCLUSIONS AND RELEVANCE:
    Our population-based recurrence risk estimate is lower than the recently reported estimates from clinical samples. Our results demonstrate no time trend in the ASDs recurrence risk as seen in the ASDs prevalence. The difference in the recurrence risk between full- and half-siblings supports the role of genetics in ASDs, while the significant recurrence risk in maternal half-siblings may support the role of factors associated with pregnancy and the maternal intrauterine environment in ASDs.”

    Also, you do know that age of autism is not a source, you make a claim like this, you DO need to prove it.

    “AFTER 1992, The Danish Government CHANGED the Definition of Autism to a more inclusive one.
    THAT is ANOTHER REASON, why the number of children diagnosed with Autism Went Up!!!”

    Source?
    Also, are you implying that the increase in autism is due to a changed definition? if so, does this also disprove your notion that vaccines are the cause for the increase in autism?

    “3. All the Researchers were Employees or had Close Connection to Vaccine Industry which they did NOT
    Disclose. This is FRAUD.”

    Other than they reaching conclusions and findings that are inconsistent with your belief, is there any reason that you are making these accusations?

    “4. One researcher, Poul Thorson, was indicted on 22 counts of Fraud and fled USA and is on the Most Wanted Criminals List. These are the “Holy Researchers” employed by the CDC!”

    First off, its Thorsen not Thorson. Second, he has stolen money from the CDC, this is not a secret and has nothing to do with his research.
    Third, he was not the lead researcher on any of the studies regarding vaccines.

    I have posted multiple studies that clearly show that vaccine safety has been extensively researched and all studies have come to a similar conclusion, vaccines are safe.

    I am sorry that you need to resort to twisting the truth and making up facts, the rest of the world prefers to rely on real studies and not gotcha statements that are far from the truth.

    Sorry if you feel offended or as an outcast, that is what people like you are. ‘Alternative’ people, that have a dislike to evidence and research-based medicine.

    #1642867

    2scents
    Participant

    You wrote, “Congress requested from the CDC a Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed Study, but the CDC refuses.”

    That was a lie, That is what i was responding to, you seem to be satisfied on the gotcha and labels, the substance and true facts is all secondary. good for you.

    #1642887

    2scents
    Participant

    From Dooms.

    “Folks, PROOF 2Cents is a Liar:”

    Hey, you dont need any proof, I am OK with you calling people names, But can we act like grownups and look at the data for a moment?

    Why would my integrity matter here unless you do not care about the facts?

    Or you assume that we all makeup facts like you do.

    #1642939

    2scents
    Participant

    Folks, I have given examples of how CDC Researchers commit FRAUD to MISLEAD the public that Vaccines
    are Safe. (They are NOT).
    – no you have not.

    Additionally, you can google “studies vaccines linked to autism” or “studies vaccines harmful” and you
    will see over 150 studies showing Vaccines are Dangerous. These are Studies by REAL Scientists.
    – can you point to actual studies or just tell us to google something. oh.. what happened with the 150 studies?
    and if you do not believe studies that were published in real medical journals, which ones DO you believe?

    It was a Smoker Vs Non-Smoker Study that PROVED Smoking causes Cancer after the Tobacco Industry
    LIED that Smoking does NOT Cause Cancer for over THIRTY YEARS!
    But the CDC refuses to do the MOST CONCLUSIVE STUDY – a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study – even though
    repeatedly requested by CongressMEN. That is also Evidence of CDC COVER-UP!!!
    – he he, this was answered so many times. and no, this is not evidence, that is not the definition of evidence. unless it’s for the ‘alternative’ folks.

    #1642984

    2scents
    Participant

    “Dr. Joseph Biederman was a researcher who made Fraudulent Studies for Pharmaceutical Companies.
    In addition to being paid the standard fee as a researcher, the Pharmaceutical Companies also paid
    Biederman $1.6 MILLION in “consulting” and “speaking” fees. In other words Biederman got a $1.6 Million BRIBE from Pharmaceutical Companies as a reward for making Fraudulent Studies for them!”

    What in the world does this have to do with Vaccines?

    By the way, this actually proves the integrity of the evidence-based medicine system, should someone be caught with a conflict of interest and not disclose it, they will be disciplined as Dr Biederman was.

    I would like to see the ‘alternative’ people have this regard for science as the medical world does.

    If Wakefield is good for you and you hold him in such high regard, why is Dr Biederman suddenly a bad person? why is the scientific community now to blame only because one person had a nondisclosed conflict of interest and was exposed and disciplined?

    This nicely proves its integrity.

    #1643319

    Milhouse
    Participant

    Folks, More Proof that ProVaxxers on this Thread are Liars! I wrote CONGRESSMEN not CONGRESS which is 100% TRUE!

    No, you didn’t, not until you were called on it.

    December 2, 2018 10:56 am Reply #1635169 (page 8)
    “Congress has requested that CDC do this study, but CDC REFUSES!”

    December 2, 2018 5:06 pm Reply #1635380 (page 8)
    “Congress requested that the CDC do this study, but CDC adamantly refuses.”

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