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nfgo: Bayit Yehudi voters were not voting an anti-Chareidi sentiment.

yichus: You missed my point that the anti-Chareidi vote was a very small sub-portion of the electorate. The Chareidim increased their vote and their seats. The Chareidim did not lose the vote.

The chareidim won more seats than previous elections, this round. So they certainly have not lost.

ifti99: Great point about the Native Americans. In fact, the law exempts them from the draft and grants them autonomy and sovereignty precisely because they were here long before the Europeans. Thanks for pointing that out. We should carry over that example to the Chareidim in EY.

And, btw, the Ran in Nedarim paskins that dina dmalchusa does NOT apply to anyone in EY precisely because every Jew has an absolute G-d given right to live in EY, and the reason dina dmalchusa applies in other countries is because in return for the malchus granting Jews the right to live there we must obey (certain) their non-discriminatory laws that don’t violate halacha. In EY we have the halachic right to live there independent of any dina dmalchisa obligation. In chutz we don’t have that right.

Kanoi: Our objections to serving extend even for those not learning.

ifti99: Any Arab violence after the advent of zionism (which predates ’48) can be attributed to it. Anything pre-zionism can be attributed to golus. And we had a worse golus under the non-Arabs, pre-zionism, than we had under the Arabs.

If you want to eliminate chareidi financial benefits, first you’ll need to eliminate taxation of chareidim. And Jews tried dodging the draft in Russia and most other countries we lived in. Jews were never big volunteers in serving the military.

truth: It still seems unnecessarily complex. Why not simply use GrooVeIP android app to make all your incoming and outgoing calls via Google Voice over WiFi?

Daas: You get free US AND Canada already by using google voice as your calling card. And you get the same international rates whether you use it as a calling card or directly through an Obihai device. The benefit is being able to dump your local phone company, while getting the same service.

Personally, I think the reliability of a cellphone replaces the need for a landline. In fact, many households are already cellphone only (not even using a VoIP or google voice type setup.) Landlines are a 100+ year relic, with the technology little changed from the days of Alexander Graham Bell. And Verizon and AT&T are slowly but surely phasing out their investments in landlines letting them languish while just milking them for whatever they can without investing in upgrading or even basic maintenance in them.

Daas: Doesn’t eliminating your monthly home telephone bill justify a one time $40 cost?

truth: Your setup is unnecessarily complex and adds additional layers that can serve as points of failure. I described my totally free setup above that only involves Google Voice directly interfacing with an ATA by Obihai that allows free incoming and outgoing phone service with your existing phone number. (And I advised how you can use Callcentric for an optional 911 service. They also happen to offer free phone numbers and free SIP.)

Yeshiva IS national service.

(And only a small minority of Israelis learn in yeshiva. Not a majority, as some commented.)

Google Voice App uses minutes not data. (It dials out in the background.) GrooVeIP uses data. So my setup results in me paying $30 a month for unlimited voice and 4g data. And no cell contract, as the plan is prepaid.

Where did you get that $60,000 figure from??

And your fingernails polish you don’t like the color Hashem made them??

As far as the subject at hand, if it had been a 25 y.o. woman rather than a 50 y.o., would it have been any less bad?? Certainly not!