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September 18, 2015 2:11 pm at 2:11 pm in reply to: UK Labour Party Elects Anti-Semite & Dr. Charlie Hall joins Conservative Party! #1100228
If you think he’s bad, check out who he chose as Shadow Chancellor.
And Jeremy Corbyn is genuinely a figure for whom criticism is completely unnecessary, as you can just skip that and start laughing. He’s that much of a joke. Never given a clear answer in his life, refuses to sing our own National Anthem, supports holocaust deniers and terrorists, and is essentially a self-hating Brit. And he consistently backtracks and gives vapid excuses and rhetoric in his defence, whish is especially amusing as he has lived of his reputation as an ‘honest politician’. utterly laughable.
And if that wasn’t bad enough, he’s pretty much committed himself to destroying the economy through ‘The People’s’ quantitative easing, during times of growth, which any economist would tell you is economic suicide.
And, as a Conservative voter, I am absolutely thrilled he’s got in.
I was aware of that. It wasn’t the actual message, rather the style and choice of words that led to my assumption. Feel free to confirm, deny or ignore.
1 – Huh?
2 – Good chap there, but I wasn’t only basing my assumption on that. I was basing it on a far vaguer premise. I’m pretty confident about this though.
Wait. You’re English?
Please allow me to clarify my use of those particular terms, such as ‘few’ or ‘isolated’.I wasn’t intending to make any point other than the one stated. I admit that to those who know more than I do about this issue, or victims, the term ‘few’ does sound as if it demeans or diminishes the extent of the crimes. And for that I apologise. In the context of the key point I was trying to bring across, I was simply trying to say, albeit clumsily, that, b’h, in terms of criminal abuse (as opposed to low-key emotional abuse), the vast majority of people are neither victims nor perpetrators, and we should not allow the facts of any particular case to be warped to ascribe blame to those who do not deserve it, an instance of which I have pointed out above. Akcnowledging this in no way diminishes either the crime of the abuser or the responsibility of those who aided the abuser actively or passively. And in most cases abusers are ‘isolated’, in that the patterns of activity found in goyshe cases of abuse, which often include ‘rings’ or ‘gangs’ of many abusers working together, is b’h rare in our communities, where abusers work alone, albeit sometimes with others wrongly covering up for them. I hope I have sufficiently explained how I in no way was attempting to play down the severity of the issue, simply pointing out an issue that often gets lost in the heat of the media storm, that of hostile elements painting an unfair or warped picture.
Lawmakers don’t check out these pages before passing laws. Countries don’t go to war on the word of anonymous posters and I daresay rabonim don’t pasken based on it either.
That’s what you think…
By innaproppiate, I didn’t mean it necessarily regarding tznius, although any use whatsoever of women’s pictures in advertising is wrong. Simply becasue a woman is tzniusdikly dressed does not make it appropiate. In the vast majority of these cases the use of a women’s picture is completely unecessary, and as such innaproppiate. MOst frum publications, such as the Mishpacha and the Hamodia, rightly have a no women at all policy, be it frum women or the Queen, and I don’t see why this perfectly sensible policy should also apply to advertising. If anything, it is a far more apt rule for a medium where the use of a women’s picture is more likely to be for cosmetic purposes.
So whilst I do believe there is an issue in the depiction of women in frum advertising, this is not the only problem I was referring to when I used the term ‘inappropiate’. I simply could not be bothered to enumerate all the examples I was referring to.
Firstly, the use of, as APushtaYid has pointed out, Rabbonim, seforim or generally divrei kedushah out of context and innapropiately. Also, the themes of adverts are often not in keeping with the frum ethos. An advert should provide no other fuction but to make one’s product look attractive and make people aware of it. Using outlandish claims and obviously misleading statements, as is ubiquitous in the goyshe world, is almost certainly geneivas daas.
Another issue is the commercialisation or trivialisation of devorim kedoshim. This is a separate issue to them being used as props. It, for example, manifests itself in a advert I saw a few years back that had decorated every day of the sefirah with a different bottle of wine, with the caption ‘This is why you’re counting down to Shavous (Don’t worry Mods, the company in question cannot be identified from this, and besides no longer exists). i thought the general attitude that had gone into that advert, even if not overtly wrong, was slightly off, and it bothered me. Many other adverts follow in the same vein.
Let’s just be succinct:
There is absolutely no issue with fancier advertisements. And to even suggest it approximates Chukas HaGoy is ignorant at best and facetious at worst.
Content, on the other hand, could be an issue. It is certainly ossur to deliberately mislead or, as become all too common, use inappropriate messages or pictures.
The ‘Apple’ logo has been commented on by many, and what has been alluded to here is the myth that it is based on the biblical ‘fruit of knowledge’.
Another popular theory is that it represents the apple that Issac Newton observed falling from a tree, as was indeed displayed on the first ever logo.
And perhaps the most popular myth is that it alludes to the poisoned apple that computer pioneer Alan Turing used to kill himself. All of these were presented to founder Steve Jobs, who dismissed them but says he wishes they were true.
Correlation equals Causation
Zahavasdad and others have pointed out that many popular Jewish songs are derivatives or direct copies of non-Jewish songs. But this issue is not simply a question of whether a particular song has been copied. Technically, there is nothing wrong with a tune solely because a non-Jew composed it; I would not be the first to point out classical music as a key example. The issue has far more shades of grey.
Firstly, an issue that bothers me, and many don’t realise, is the practice by many singers of composing/stealing/deriving a pop tune, that is to say, in a particular style, and simply shoehorning in whichever possuk they want. This is not necessarily a problem, simply often not appropriate. Yesh Tikva does not fall foul of this, as the words are composed too.
Also, many tunes are rip-offs of very unsavoury tunes, and do not make the transition well. Styles should stay fundamentally ‘Jewish’, and not stray into club tunes, as Lipa just did with his EDM club beat.
And finally, generally trying to mimic the latest styles is at best unbecoming.
BigBen2, A.K.A. ET2 – PTA? Really?
There’s nothing wrong with being pedantic.
ElizabethTower2, as you said, it’s a similar discussion, but not an identical one. The question there addresses whether an innate sense of morality is independent of that which one is taught, whilst the debate over moral relativity or moral objectivity centres on whether an action that is undoubtedly immoral from one point of view, for example, from the point of view of a terror victim, can be moral from another’s view, e.g. perpetrator of said terror attack. The debate here doesn’t seem to truly recognize what moral relativity as a a concept actually is. I accept that moral relativity may not be the subject here, and the title may be somewhat misleading.
And moral relativity, despite being probably the most common moral standpoint as far as philosophy students are concerned, it being the most adhered to viewpoint in most universities and schools, many consider it a cop-out that allows for double standards.
As a general rule, trends among Jewish music seem to follow between three years and a decade behind contemporary non-Jewish music. A key example is Lipa, who has literally hours ago bought out a song that pretty shamelessly follows on from the EDM music that, over the past four or five years, has been incredibly popular in the non-Jewish world. And going back quite a few years to his album Keneina Hora, he in particular has closely followed contemporary chart music in style and inspiration, in many cases to the note. And with this latest track I think he’s crossed over an even lengthier red line.
No.June 7, 2015 1:08 pm at 1:08 pm in reply to: NPD/ Malignant narcissism – how rampant is it really? #1085644
Whilst I accept that I am not an authority on these matters, it does seem that we are far too quick to ascribe labels to what could simply be referred to as positive or negative personality traits.