metoo

all these yeshiva (?) guys arguing back and forward from history (“his-story”) while they could be debating whether or not there are proofs from the gemoro itself
some gedolim said that there is absolutley no proof that the establishment of the state is a ma’aseh soton they also said that there no proof whatsoever that it is aschalta de-geulah. Other gedolim weren’t quite so convinced. They held there were proofs. So why aren’t we debating these, instead of ad hominen arguments and the like?