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I am involved in a Yeshiva and there is no “funding” for adhd children. Adhd diagnosis would only help obtain govermnet funded resource help for the child paid directly to their tutor.
People grossly overestimate what government funding yeshivas actually get.
Outside of upk programs which give yeshivas 10k a child…and a big headache.
Lunch program legally only provides food.
Mandated services is about 40k a year for 350 students. Mandated services are keeping immunization records and keeping attendance.
Security only reimburses you for unarmed guards 20k.
Nystl funds secular department books and media.
There is a new program that reimburses for stem teachers but nobody received funds for that yet.
Homeland security gives 75k to add security upgrades.All of these programs require proof of invoices. Unless you are playing games with the invoices theres no real funds other than upk.
Yeshivas should be first on the tzedaka lists because nobody allows them to turn away children for tuiton like a business does. Even a grocery does not let poor people take bread.
Very eye opening how everybody here realizes that yeshivas “must” offer scholarships to those who need,but the entire premise of the conversation is not focused on how the community must bind together to support the yeshivas or create tuition gemachs rather how to lower tuition across the board. This is accomplished in various sadistic ways of squeezing administrators,degrading rosh yeshivas or diluting education.
I’ve heard big people in the chinuch world say dont bother opening a yeshiva unless you have big deep pockets. That’s become the situation these days. Either the board has a big donor behind it or the yeshiva has to become a fundraising machine. If either one of those support systems fall the yeshiva goes down the drain.
Then there is another game the yeshivas have to play…they get a big donor and people say…”let him pay for it”…they dont have a big donor…”that’s irresponsible”
Go look for discounts on cellphones,weddings,sheitels,housing,health insurance, braces, summer homes,day camps. Not tuition!!!Imagine having a similar thread about doctors and healthcare…how to pay that greedy doctor less…as soon as the doctor says something about the ability to perform without proper equipment or support staff we would immediately stop that line of thought. We wouldnt question the doctors ability to manage a budget or his integrity in accounting. If we looked at Torah education as vital as healthcare we would be asking how can we raise tuition or how can we prevent any rosh yeshiva from having to leave the operating room. Immediately all the expenses in the world would seem justifiable. Even creating a beautiful building and fancy lobby. Its kavod hatorah!!! We should all run to our local yeshivas and ask how we could get involved and get others involved. The rosh yeshiva or bochrim shouldnt come to you especially when you demand they serve the community you should go to them. Stop sitting on the sidelines and get involved.
Would this idea make YOU want to be a teacher?
Joseph, I am saying that there needs to be a shift in the communal mindset away from yeshivas providing aid, to independent organizations or individuals providing aid. This is for a very simple reason…yeshivas are quasi businesses and apparently no one trusts owner and administrators to manage their budgets and effectively pay staff. We need to take that burden off of our yeshivas. We dont enforce the grocery stores to provide free food we should not do it to schools.
As a side note ask yourself when you are more likely to help out? When it’s a yeshiva asking for its overall messy budget or when your neighbors kid is sitting home?I agree with shuali, it’s more of a problem in new and developing schools,younger than 15 years old or older schools that have lost portions of their enrollment.
The problem is that the teachers are not paid enough and so we are not getting and retaining the best or we are and we are just making them suffer.Yeshivas must charge what it costs to provide a real living wage to educators.
Anybody who can’t pay should get loans or get charity from outside sources.
Its not a tuition crisis it’s a charity crisis. The implication of tuition crises is that the yeshivas created this problem.
Leave the yeshivas out of it. They arent all equipped to fundraise, and it’s not what we want from them. Why turn rosh yeshivas or school staff into fundraisers?The dream is school choice vouchers but until then its the old story of the haves and have nots. The schools do themselves a disservice by providing aid they dont have and that has no gratitude in return.
Consolidating yeshivas only works when it makes sense communally and logistically. People need different things from the different schools and sometimes buildings are just not big enough.Im on a board as well…
1. Rav Y.S. Elyashiv, quoted in Halachos Of other people’s Money, pg. 113. See also Avnei Yashfei 2:118
In an industry that pays late there is no issue of bal talin.Generally this industry will fully disclose exactly how behind or not behind they are. If someone is disgruntled after they knew this they dont belong in chinuch. Everyone is entitled to complain, but no one is forcing anyone to be a rebbe.
2. The real answer is that the owners and administrators are too nice to families who are struggling. They buy education for 100, sell it for 50, and are forced to beg people to give 25 dollars to a chinese auction. The only reason a sane administrator or rosh yeshiva would put himself and his family through this is that they love hashem,Torah and chinuch and am yisrael.
This reason is the same reason some send to these poorly funded yeshivas. Its because the people who run them have these extremely important values that they want their kids to see and absorb.
It doesnt have to be this way…especially now that as a whole the frum community in many areas are making more money and leading more extravagant lives than 10-20 years ago and tuitions have not really been raised. Often parents who dont have enough to pay are given huge breaks and later when they make money dont feel they have any responsibility to that yeshiva. They think they”negotiated” a deal. Maybe the yeshiva should stop calling it a “scholarship” or “discount” to help the parents save face and call it what it should be “charity” or a “loan”
Please stop hating on owners and administrators. You do not want to be in their shoes.1. According to rav elyashiv and others, an industry that is known not to pay on time has no issur of bal talin.
In addition most yeshivas will tell their incoming employees what their financial status is. Nobody is forcing anyone to work in a yeshiva and then not paying them. It is understood that the owners and administrators will do their best based on the realities they live with.
2. The only reason a sane owner/administrator of a yeshiva would put themselves and their families through this nightmare of a life is because they love hashem,love torah,love chinuch, and love am yisrael. Stop the hate… you dont want to sacrifice what they sacrifice.
3. They are too nice to parents. Owner/educators buy education for 100 sell for 50 and then have to beg you to buy a 25 dollar raffle ticket to a Chinese auction. Too often a young parent doesnt have the funds gets a huge break for many years but doesnt pay it forward to the yeshiva. They think they “negotiated” a deal and dont owe anything to anybody. Administrators should stop letting parents save face calling these breaks “scholarships” and “discounts” and call it what it is “charity” or a “loan”
4. Administrators should charge their tuitions and someone who cant pay should go to a community based tuition organization. As communities we cannot impose the communal charity responsibility on the yeshivas. Let them focus on education and not have every mossad make ridiculous efforts to fundraise for charity.