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Yes HaLeiVi, I understand what you mean; however, having lived over the Green line for over 33 years, my family and I have suffered a lot of discrimination and cruelty at the hands of Jews because we live “over the line.” My husband, a medical doctor trained at the best programs, was even denied employment because of where we live! The news outlets all over the world and Israel with the exception of the very right-wing ones like Arutz 7, still refer to those of us living over the Green line as “settlers/right-wing extremists,” no matter that we live in a city of 80,000 Jews in a beautiful apartment. The fact is that we live next to an Arab area, Hussan, and have been targeted by them at times with rock throwing. It’s not as dangerous as other areas, but there is a certain amount of danger. Hence, the “miseret nefesh” factor. Those who live in an outpost, yes, very idealistic people believe that we need to hold onto our land by living on it. They like to set up these outposts in response to Arab terrorists who have murdered Jews in the area. Yet, I find that it would be a more productive discussion to focus on the Jewish people living outside Israel joining us in Israel, with 8 million Jews already here waiting for the rest of world Jewry to come home!

I’m not sure what you are talking about! If you think that people in Israel live in caravans without running water, then you know nothing about Israel. You may have heard slanted news reports of “settler outposts,” but please don’t get sucked into the blood libel against Jews living over the Green line. Israel is very developed and beautiful. The quality of life at this point probably surpasses people in frum neighborhoods in the US. Even Jews, of whom most are frum, residing over the Green line live mostly in nice apartments or villas with lots of land and trees. Bertar Ilit has around 80,000 frum Yidden. It’s a wonderful city with fabulous shopping, and it is very safe to walk around, even late at night. There are beautiful displays throughout the city and excellent activities for children and adults. There are countless shuls and excellent schools/yeshivas throughout the neighborhood. The sound of learning and davening can be heard all day.
As far as people “lying in the street in protest…i don’t know because it’s not a common event, and has certainly not happened in Betar.. Perhaps it’s also a style of protesting in the US, and I know there have been many pro-Hamas and antisemitic protests going on in the US with people doing all sorts of crazy things, including violent acts against Jews.
Lastly, I’d like to mention this business with “zionists.” I’d like to know what your definition of a Zionist is because no one mentions Zionism anymore. I don’t hear this term! When you have a population BH almost 8 million Jews living in Israel with its own army, we’ve moved past Zionism into developing Israel, which includes spreading Yiddishkeit and enjoying the gift and inheritance which Hashem has given us.

The only warped thing is this post. it makes no sense and spreads hatred.

To somejewiknow, I was once a tinok shenishba, but then I was fortunate to meet some nice frum people who decided “not to kill me quickly.” And they shared Shabbos and were kind. They taught me about Yiddishkeit. Then I became a “Baalat Teshuva. Not only me, but at least a million more. I then went on to influence others to do mitzvos and keep the Torah. You call this heresy?!
When I made the comment, Hashem does everything, You responded Hashem does everything, including the Holocaust and its partner the State of Israel. Why do you use the language of the extreme left who wants us destroyed?

It says hundreds of times in the Torah that Israel is a gift from G-d to Israel, and we say it a few times in every davening and in the Shma. At least 10 times a day, we talk about Israel, and we daven to bring every Jew back to Israel, so at this point, we are back with millions of Jews! We also daven to destroy all the evil people, but calling all the people in Israel, especially so many very frum people like myself, who are willing to risk our lives as well as sacrifice material comforts only because G-d said it’s our gift, is absolutely wrong and evil.
Any reasonable Jew can understand this by reading the Bible. One should be ashamed to suggest refusing the gift of G-d! Certainly, all the good people of Israel don’t deserve criticism for not being able to make everyone follow the Torah, but as Torah Jews, we not only influence others to keep the Torah but are slowly transforming Israel into a Torah State as more religious Jews join us.

Thank you for your apology. It’s really not for myself, but for every “settler.” You’re forgiven. As far as your statement: there’s no easy solution, I disagree. The answer is simple. Come join us in Israel, and take what is our gift and inheritance from Hashem! The are around 1 million Jews living over the Green line. We’re winning! Be a part of this!

I want you to know that I am sooooo soo hurt by this topic “SETTLERS ARE RODFIM” because I am a very proud “settler!” During my over 33 years living over the Green line, my family and I have been in several Arab Terrorist attacks. And yet, we are still here because we believe this is our land, it is holy and precious, and needs to be lived on by Jews! So we’re here. At the very least, Jews outside of Israel SHOULD NEVER REFER TO US AS SETTLERS! It’s offensive. We are inheritors of the land, and we invite you all to join us.

Firstly, I’d like to make something clear since I am a Hareidi 67-year-old wife, grandmother, and “SETTLER” LIVING OVER THE GREEN LINE FOR OVER 33 YEARS! This conversation is absolutely terrible and VERY VERY MEAN/FORBIDDEN TO SAY ABOUT YOUR FELLOW JEW who is doing Mesert Nefesh by living in a part of Israel which protects it and develops the land which is ours!! There is no violent “settler” movement that I know of going on there in all the years I lived here. IF and I mean IF a few guys engaged in violence against Arabs, you can bet they had a good reason (although I do not encourage people to break the law) because the fact is that Arab terrorist attacks and lots of murder against Jews LIVING OVER THE GREEN Line have been ongoing since before I lived here. We’re dealing with many evil goyim, make no mistake, and THIS LAND IS OURS! To quote Arutz 7:

Once again, we are witnessing videos that serve the “settler violence” campaign-a campaign that raises its head whenever the left identifies an opportunity for diplomatic pressure that could lead to further Israeli withdrawals. BLOOD LIBEL! The purpose of the blood-libel campaign against the Jews living in Judea and Samaria (labeled in English “settlers” but who really should be called “inheritors of the land”) is to serve as a tool in the hands of those demanding their uprooting and expulsion from Judea and Samaria and the establishment of an Arab terror state in the heart of our land.
I highly enourage all of you who have said nasty things about “settlers,” you fellow Jews to learn the laws of Loshen Hora and start caring about each and every Jew if you really want Mossiach to ever come.

zionism is the cornerstone of judaism

Russian Jewish soldiers in eretz yisrael are jewish.

In the end all those not learning will have to serve. Take it from one with years of army combat experience who is charedi, the army is fun.

so what solutions do they offer? another holocaust?