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Children today are being over-medicated.
Avi, all three of my Teimani friend’s wives disagree with you.
Some airlines charge fat people for two seats.
Avi, that doesn’t refute my last point which refuted your point about the number of Tanaaim who had multiple wives.
No judge anywhere in America has ever or could ever order anyone to give a Get nor has or could hold anyone in contempt for not giving a Get. It’s a legal impossibility and has never occurred. That is no more possible than the idea of a judge ordering anyone to attend shul on Shabbos or church on Sunday or holding anyone in contempt for failing to do so. New York law does not allow a judge to order that a Get be given.
As an aside, if a civil judge could under state law order a Get be given or hold someone in contempt for not giving it, and did that, the resulting Get would be a classical Get Me’usa b’chol hadeios. So it would an ineffective and counterproductive law that would essentially make giving a kosher Get virtually impossible and thus the court order unfulfillable.
You’re absolutely wrong. Neither of the two Get laws did that or even purported to do that. It did not ever force any divorcing spouse to remove any “barrier to remarriage”. The second law effectively imposes a financial penalty if a spouse declines to remove any “barrier to remarriage”. But the law doesn’t indicate he must or force him to remove any “barrier to remarriage” as long as he’s willing to be awarded a lower portion of the marital assets as a penalty for his not removing any “barrier to remarriage”.
No one in New York is or ever was or could be found guilty of not giving a Get for any reason whatsoever. No law is ever broken for declining to give a Get. And no US court can or ever has ordered anyone to give a Get. Pressure yes, mandate no.
Avi, the Gemora doesn’t tell us who the wives are for most Tanaaim. It’s not telling us one way or another is no indication that any particular Tanna did or didn’t have more than one wife simultaneously.
Then there will be cases where a get is mandated by the court.
That’s incorrect. No court in New York (or anywhere in the US) will directly or even indirectly order or otherwise force someone to give or accept a Get. That would be blatantly unconstitutional according to anyone (from a first year law student through a SCOTUS justice.) And neither of New York’s Get Laws, or any other law, purport to directly or indirectly force that. The second Get Law allows the court to award a greater share of marital assets to someone whose spouse refuses to give/accept a Get. But that’s it.
If a court ordered someone to accept a civil divorce, he’s “yotzei” his court ordered duties by indicating he’ll accept it, even while he still declines to give a Get. He wouldn’t be legally obligated to give a Get.
In any event, two years ago New York become the 50th state to change its divorce laws to “No Fault”, which effectively is divorce-on-demand. Prior to two years ago a New York civil court could and did sometimes deny a petition for a civil divorce if the reason the divorce was being sought didn’t meet NY’s laws of why a divorce is justified. Now, under the new law, if one spouse asks for a civil divorce it is effectively automatically granted regardless of what the other spouse wants or not. The other spouse doesn’t have to agree to the divorce; it is automatically issued.
“That’s a pretty big deal, as the courts can sometimes mandate one party agree to a civil divorce.”
I’m not sure what you’re trying to say. The first Get Law says if the husband doesn’t give a Get but files for a civil divorce, the civil divorce is denied (and he remains legally married to his first wife thus unable to civilly remarry) until he gives a Get.
If “the courts can sometimes mandate one party agree to a civil divorce”, so what? The husband might agree to (and even want) a civil divorce, but the first Get Law allows the wife to have him denied a civil divorce.
All the first Get Law does is allow the wife to stop the husband from getting a civil divorce that he wants. Nothing more and nothing less. (The second Get Law is a whole different parsha.)
Rav Elyashiv paskened that NY’s second Get Law, if used by a wife (i.e. her lawyer invokes it in court), automatically results in a Get Me’usa. This is normative Halacha as held by the vast majority of local rabbonim.
The first Get Law was not ruled unconstitutional. It’s still law in NY alongside the second Get Law. The first law Rav Moshe approved of and is pretty benign. It just denies a legal divorce if there’s no Get.
ghd, I don’t see any constitutional problem recognizing a Beis Din decision that both parties agreed to its jurisdiction, any more than civil courts recognizing any private binding arbitration (business or personal) that both parties agreed to its jurisdiction.
That’s different than creating a state law requiring an unwilling party to give a religious document, such as a Get, that they don’t want to give. The State is constitutionally prohibited from creating a law such as the latter.
adocs, the same constitutional logic applied in this case by the appeals court ruling that religion cannot be taken into account as a factor, logically follows that the courts/government/laws cannot constitutionally take into account whether a religious Get was given or not.
Kibud Av V’Eim.
What this case also points to is that New York’s “Get Law” is an unconstitutional infringement by the State enforcing alleged religious components of the litigants beliefs.
Avi, how many Tanaaim are we told who their wife or wives are? Most wives of theirs aren’t named altogether, so lack of mention doesn’t indicate lack of existence.
Avi, I know in Teiman some of the Yidden had wives in different cities, with a separate home for each of them.
Milhouse, isn’t the machlokes whether the Cherem expired in 5000 or whether it expired 1000 years after it was issued? I seem to recall that according to those Rishonim that it expired in 5000, it was extended by the rabbonim of the time of expiration. Which would mean that the Cherem today, based on those that hold R”G’s expired, is not based on R”G’s original Cherem but rather on its later extension. It also means that the rabbonim today have the right to end the Cherem, should they consider that to be prudent. I heard Rav Miller zt’l say that the contemporary rabbonim could discontinue it.
Avi, why do you think it is better for a man to have a separate home for each of his wives rather than one home for all his wives?
iac: So much so that they travel all the way to BP for it?
Democrats virtually never reduce taxes. They only know how to raise taxes.
So you “don’t buy” it, Midwest. So what. This isn’t an issue for you to decide or to buy.
And to continue the point, yichud with unfiltered internet is a breach of arayos.
The religious kids with internet can go to the same yeshivos as the irreligious kids going to religious schools go to.
Why not? If the internet parents argue their internet children won’t be a negative influence on non-internet children, then they should also be receptive that irreligious kids won’t be a bad influence on their internet children.
The stones weren’t a fixture. The doors would’ve been a fixture.
Avoiding the draft (and dealing with the draft bureaucracy) is a huge benefit for not having Israeli citizenship.
No choshve rabbonim have a smartphone. Not every guy who got smicha somewhere and now calls himself rabbi, and hangs out a shingle and opens up a shteeble, is a choshuve rov.
One can always renounce their Israeli citizenship.
Get Russian citizenship instead of Israeli citizenship and you’ll have a much easier time entering Russia, if that’s your goal.
Avi, “If they are born in Israel they will be citizens even if their parents are not.”
That’s inaccurate as a non-citizen visitor to Israel who gives birth there does not receive Israeli citizenship for her newborn child.
No, you’re better off keeping your American citizenship and not acquiring or accepting Israeli citizenship even if you move to Eretz Yisroel. This will help you and your children avoid any heartache regarding the Israeli military draft, as a non-citizen won’t be drafted.
Neturei Karta are Litvish and come from the talmidei hagra.
“btw- they also have their little group in Meah Shearim in Jerusalem.”
Those are the real Neturei Karta unlike the wannabes in New York and London. The EY group are the originals and true followers of Hagaon Harav Amram Blau zt’l. The EY NK don’t have websites and don’t travel to foreign leaders.
“guilty of the same crime as the NK, which is ignorance and a belief system based on faith and not on genuine research after hearing real intellectual authorities on both sides.”
Emunah Peshuta?
Mentsch1: Perfectly said. That’s also an excellent reason to get rid of all the embassies in Eretz Yisroel anywhere.
The rabbonim don’t care. Why should they? This is a political issue between the US and the Zionists that hasn’t anything to do with Yiddishkeit.
Are you and the other date going to meet at the site of the date?
Shopping: All of those are C”H’s.
Splenda?
Takes: Yes, they have smicha.
Uncle: Anyone they, in their own judgement, deem qualified.
Anyone with smicha can call himself rabbi.
In fact, anyone with smicha can give anyone else smicha and make more rabbis.
A large portion of frum families have Medicaid or Child/Family Health Plus.
Halevai they should be successful in keeping this pritzus out of EY next year.
Who cares about a dispute between Ireland and the Zionists. Let them battle it out; nothing to do with Yidden, especially as this involves pritzus.
Start a new herring brand and undersell everyone else.
“And dentists do often rush through a treatment when they dont get paid enough.”
Find a better dentist. So many do not.
I haven’t seen these ads but the pictures in the news stories have also been going downhill for some time now.
Mammele: Thank you for that research. Do doctors get reimbursed at the same rate for CHP patients at they do for Medicaid patients? (In which case, apparently, the only difference between NY Medicaid and CHP is the costs for the enrollee/consumers.)
“By checking them more quickly (therefore less thoroughly) and spending less time answering questions.”
The doctor will stop answering his questions after a set amount of time?
“Besides, most doctors will give less time for medicaid patients so they do work around that problem of less fee. Not saying its right or wrong but at least they see them.”
How do doctors give less time to Medicaid patients than to their other patients?
Mammele: CHP isn’t Medicaid.