The Ministerial Law Committee has decided that a business that opens on Shabbos is entitled to receive rabbinate kashrus supervision for weekdays. To date the policy has been that if a Jewish business operates on Shabbos it will generally not be entitled to a hashgacha. While there are exceptions, that is the rule.
The ministers point out the nation’s Kashrus Law states the only criteria is the kashrus of an eatery, nothing else. Hence the ministers feel a Rabbanut may not take Shmiras Shabbos or other factors into consideration. Other criteria which the ministers feel may not be taken into account is the modesty of the waitresses or immodest performances. As a rule, a local rabbinate will not give a hashgacha at events accompanied by belly dancers but in line with the minister’s decision, this is no longer permitted.
The ministers explain this type of hashgacha would testify to the kosher integrity of food and nothing else. This is in line with a Supreme Court ruling which prohibits local rabbinate to add layers of demands and qualification to the basic kashrus law.
For a business operating on Shabbos to receive a hashgacha for weekdays, it would have to maintain a separate set of dishes just for Shabbos.
MK Elazar Stern feels the kashrus aspect of religion and state demands change, to revamp the law to reflect basic halacha without added chumros. Stern feels as a result many more businesses will have a hashgacha and this will lead to “Yiddishkheit that draws people in rather than pushing them away”.
(YWN – Israel Desk, Jerusalem)
against halacha period a Jew may not eat there
As a person who doesn’t keep shabbos anymore on a regular basis but keeps kosher, I would love to have more of a selection locally of kosher establishments open on shabbos besides 2nd ave deli. There is a much larger population today of people who don’t keep shabbos but keep kosher. In response to number 1 what do you know abt what a Jew May or May not do.
Perhaps if the so called “Jewish state” would leave halacha to the rabbis instead of the courts and politicians they wouldn’t be running to bomb shelters.
Uhhh bishul yisrael is an aspect of kashrus (in order for it to be bishul yisrael the one cooking has to be shomer shabbos)
I am not 100% certain, but am pretty sure that:
1) a M’challeil Shabbos k’akum l’chol davao.
2) ma’aseh Shabbos could possibly make keilim/food assurance.
3) There could possibly be am issue of the meat, fish, chicken, etc. anything requiring a siman or me’emanus.
All these would seem to be isues/concerns of kashrus and could therefore be reason/cause to have a certificate removed/refused.
None of the gold standard Chassideshe hashgachos would work at a restaurant open on Shabbos…neither would many Litvish mashgichim. This is a bad idea.
If one cooks on Shabbos intentionally, the perpetrator may not benefit financially from his action. The pots will have absorbed the taste of food cooked on Shabbos. If those pots are continually cooked with, the taste will never fade (become nosein taam lifgam). Any food later cooked in that pot will have mixed in a taste of that forbidden taste. Since it is a matter of Isur Hana’a, it is never nullified. It is not forbidden to the customer, but since the proprietor may not make money on the sale of the food, the customer is being made to pay for something he is not legally obligated to. How can the Rabbanut maliciously cause the proprietor to be culpable for consistent robbery?
Next they’ll be saying chazer is kosher, because of the need to reflect modern society. Such goyim.
“The ministers explain this type of hashgacha would testify to the kosher integrity of food and nothing else.”
this type of LAW would testify to the integrity of their Jewishness and nothing else.
this is A reason we still sit on the floor on the 9th of AV
Next upcoming law: Kashrus certificate even when store sells “chazir”. The certificate will be only for the other food not for the chazir, and the chazir will be served with seperate dishes. This will lead to draw people in to yiddishkeit, not push them away. Shame on you Israel, shame on you MK stern! In a time that Israel is going through thw worst, isn’t it time to do teshuva? Tikun hamaasim? Not the opposite! Wasn’t there enough rockets on Israeli states? C’mmon wake up!!!!!
If this is the case that the Supreme court mixes in on how and when to give hashgacha, and forces the rabbinate to give hashgacha against there policies, then unfortunatly the Rabbinate hashgacha is worthless. Being in the Kashrus line I can clearly state that there is no such thing “hashgacha on weekdays”, it’s like going in to a deli and giving hashgacha only on the kosher meat not on the treife meat. It’s absurd.
MK Stern: Where did you get your Daas Torah from?
There are businesses open on Shabbos that are Glatt Kosher
I dont know exactly how its done, but they are
Nursing Homes , Hotels (restaurants in Hotels) Hospitals, Hospital Cafeterias .
To #2. The laws of the Torah is not pick and choose. However I admire your strength in eating only kosher although you are not keeping shabbes, it shows that you have not gone that far, you can still come back. But the gemara says, someone who doesn’t keep shabbes is like he’s not keeping the torah period. His wine is Yayin nesach and his food is by most poskum bishul akim. Just think a little depper, your creator is holding his hands out to you and is waiting for you to jump into them.
I guess the government is about to be attacking the next Shabbos commencing in 72 days time, i.e. Shemittah, and compelling anyone relying on Heter Mechirah, their produce must be certified Kosher according to the authorities, irrespective of how the Rabbonim & consumers feel about Heter Mechiroh..
Zahavasdad: “There are businesses open on Shabbos that are Glatt Kosher
I dont know exactly how its done, but they are
Nursing Homes , Hotels (restaurants in Hotels) Hospitals, Hospital Cafeterias .”
And I eat hot food in my house on Shabbos as well. And we know exactly how that is done; there are blechs, warming drawers, “plattas”, etc.
For cholim (nursing homes and hospitals); there is no Bishul akum concerns when it comes to cholim.
Hotels generally deal with pre-paid (and pre-cooked) meals.
In other words I don’t understand the point you were trying to make.