An Eitza Against The Yetzer Harah.

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  • #640074

    areivimzehlazeh
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    Joseph

    Member

    areivim, so how do you explain the anonymity?

    Joseph- for me, the anonymity is for the strangers in the CR, not my friends. I wouldn’t want someone to judge me first by the impression they get of me in the CR and then maybe getting to really know me… and maybe never really getting to know me.

    I would feel comfortable if a good friend read what I wrote here because they know me, know how to take my comments and where they’re coming from.

    There’s a much deeper understanding with a friend than for just any random CR member judging a person based on their posts.

    #640075

    SJSinNYC
    Member

    Ames, most other online communities have a lower chance of others knowing who they are, so unless they spout a ton of information, its hard to figure out. I think here its pretty easy (and I am pretty sure I know who one poster is, but havent outed him because I don’t want to make him uncomfortable).

    With reference to our society, I was referencing ” as for the opinions part, wouldn’t you want to go to a place where no one knows you and no one is judging you? People are very fearful of “the neighbor” if you get my drift.”

    #640076

    moish01
    Member

    areivim, of course – because of the position you have here in the CR. i would never want anyone i know to read here. in fact, if i ever met anyone i’d drop out of the CR and i would do my best to avoid that person in real life.

    #640077

    areivimzehlazeh
    Participant

    moish- what in heavens name are you so embarrassed of?????

    #640078

    moish01
    Member

    it’s just not me. i don’t normally talk like i do on here and i don’t plan on it. i can’t even begin to imagine how my friends or family would react if they read this. they would never live it down.

    #640079

    an open book
    Participant

    i can hear that

    #640080

    moish01
    Member

    ha thanks. boy am i glad i don’t know you…

    #640082

    areivimzehlazeh
    Participant

    moish- “they would never live it down”, or YOU would never live it down?

    another thing: don’t you realize that whatever comes out in the CR has to be a part of you? So, what you “normally” do is not necessarily ALL of you, or it’s “the other side” of you. Whatever the case, what you are like in the CR- IS YOU! You can call it: some of you, part of you, a side of you, most of you…. the real you?

    think about both of these points…

    #640083

    moish01
    Member

    you mean i really am a sappy sucker? oh god! i wish there was a way i could disown myself…

    #640084

    moish01
    Member

    ugh i keep reading that last message of yours. it’s bothering me.

    areivim, why do you say those kind of things? you really know how to kill a guy.

    #640085

    anonymisss
    Participant

    Please don’t ever talk like that, moish. It’s not funny.

    ~a~

    #640086

    areivimzehlazeh
    Participant

    1- think about why it’s bothering you- it’s supposed to…

    2- kill a guy or make him think about why (and how) he’s living on this earth?

    And- please do us all a favor and cut the “sucker” idea already. It’s driving me insane that you think any sort of acceptation of mussar or criticism is automatically for suckers. That’s extremely narrow minded- and I know you consider yourself open-minded.

    (If you just nodded your head and did whatever anybody and everybody suggested- yes, I’d call you a sucker. But like I’ve said- you don’t exactly take this sitting down.)

    #640087

    moish01
    Member

    like what, anonymisss? don’t worry i don’t plan on disowning myself – i love myself too much 😉

    #640088

    moish01
    Member

    i hear. and no that’s not what i think about mussar. but for me it is. maybe i don’t take it sitting down, but i do take it standing up. so when i understand you and know you’re right but i can’t control myself, i feel like such a loser. (or in my words: a sucker) in a way i’d rather be stupid.

    besides, why could a stranger online get me to do what my own father can’t? it’s kinda weird. and it’s not like i don’t have a good relationship with him. he just doesn’t bug me about anything (unless it’s illegal – like taking his car or something)

    #640089

    squeak
    Participant

    The same reason why you would open up more to a stranger online than to your pop.

    #640090

    moish01
    Member

    i hear. makes sense. it’s just weird. i’m not a secretive guy or anything.

    #640091

    areivimzehlazeh
    Participant

    I will be a ‘tipish’ and answer your last question first

    Now- I personally think that feeling like a loser and being a sucker are worlds apart. You know my definition of suckers. However, feeling like a loser comes into the topic of “good and bad guilt”, which I’ve been meaning to touch upon for a while now. (Murphy’s Law- I don’t have ‘the book’ handy now, so I’ll do my best from what I remember.)

    Good guilt is when you feel guilty or feel bad about having done something wrong, and to counteract, this guilt causes or propels you to do something good/positive.

    as the slogan goes: Just say no!

    #640092

    an open book
    Participant

    ha thanks. boy am i glad i don’t know you…

    yeah u said that. but me too – sometimes i think i come across as too mean here….i really hope not. if this wasn’t anonymous it might be even more likely for someone to think that 🙁 i’d really hate that

    #640093

    an open book
    Participant

    areivimzehlazeh: i think you put that very well. we actually talked about this a little & then the topic sort of shifted. i think its somewhere in the middle of page 2 of this thread.

    i personally try (tho am not always successful) to use things i know affect me for good. like guilt or peer pressure, i sometimes use these to do good things i normally would never do.

    #640095

    moish01
    Member

    this one, areivim? what do you think i’m supposed to answer?? that my yetzer hora is my best friend? and sorry, i can’t ditch my friends?

    i didn’t think you wanted to hear that.

    #640096

    areivimzehlazeh
    Participant

    that’s you’re yetzer hara speaking, not you

    and- i want to hear anything you care to share that’s on your mind

    #640097

    moish01
    Member

    maybe it is. but i like my yetzer hora – he’s my buddy and we do awesome things together.

    you don’t wanna hear the truth. you wanna try and blow out it’s brains. it’s not gonna work. you can’t force a person to change how they feel. how they think? sure. but not feelings.

    i feel like such a girl talking about “feelings”

    #640098

    moish01
    Member

    oh right i forgot it’s all my yetzer hora. so when i die i’m gonna go to heaven and sent my yetzer hora down to burn. sounds like a plan.

    #640099

    squeak
    Participant

    I think it’s great – you’re a tough guy who also knows how to talk about his feelings. No wonder you’re such a popular dude. Can I dubb you Rocky?

    #640100

    an open book
    Participant

    i dont think you can force a person to change how they think, either.

    but everybody CAN control their own thoughts and their own feelings.

    #640103

    anonymisss
    Participant

    Areivim, what’s the name of this book you keep talking about?

    ~a~

    #640104

    myshadow
    Member

    areivim, nice. you should go into the outreach field definately.

    #640105

    areivimzehlazeh
    Participant

    the reason I never mentioned the name of the book is because

    – I know moish will get very turned off (he already did)

    – I never really got permission to quote from it (yow). So- I don’t want people to think “areivim basically retold the whole thing, no need to go out and buy it”

    #640107

    kapusta
    Participant

    areivim, I dont think moish is turned off, I think hes just overwhelmed (thats the way it seems to me, correct me if I’m wrong…)

    #640108

    moish01
    Member

    should i correct you if you’re wrong??

    by the way, i love how people talk about others on here. as if i’m not reading.

    #640109

    kapusta
    Participant

    I said you should, you didnt, and that was for areivim…care to defend yourself? 🙂

    #640110

    moish01
    Member

    no thanks. use your imagination and insight.

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