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  • #1950651
    Yserbius123
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    @torahvaluesoverparty We can agree now that COVID is killing 1500 people in the US daily that masks are necessary. We can agree that if COVID will “only” kill 100 people in the US daily that masks will not be necessary. I don’t know where the line is drawn, I’ll leave that to people smarter than me. Right now it’s clear that the line hasn’t been passed yet, so let’s worry about whether or not to wear masks when we start to approach it.

    @daas-yochid Ah it was you. You double down and claimed that I was lying when I said “You called Hatzalah on a man choking to death on a mask”. What was my lie? That the man wasn’t choking, he was “struggling to breathe”. OK. Sorry, whatever veracity you had went out the window at that point. I exaggerated the story to prove a point: that if someone had Hatzalah called because a mask inhibited their breathing, then many people would have had Hatzalah called. But they weren’t, QED.

    Look, I don’t deny that there are people who are psychologically incapable of wearing masks. Your friend (if he exists) was probably having an anxiety attack. But don’t pretend that masks are dangerous. Especially when it’s imperative that we try to wear them as much as possible around other people. Anyone who is having psychological difficulty wearing a mask (the only possible difficulty) needs to see a therapist ASAP. They are no different than an alcoholic who cannot drive without getting drunk first.

    Oh and I googled “Asthma and masks”. First five results were from some pretty reliable sources and all talk about how masks don’t affect asthma unless the someone regularly needs machines to breath. I am not diving into the weird part of the internet just to find one or two obscure conspiracy sites that bolster your argument.

    You have yet to bring a single rational argument about how the mild psychological affects of mask wearing somehow trump the major sakana of not wearing them (see: my drunk driving moshol).

    #1950708
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    that if someone had Hatzalah called because a mask inhibited their breathing,

    Wow. You have a serious problem with the truth. Even while trying to wriggle out if it you still can’t help lying.

    I did not say he called Hatzala. Again you made that up. Almost called Hatzala.

     

    #1950711
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    I am not diving into the weird part of the internet just to find one or two obscure conspiracy sites that bolster your argument.

    Not conspiracy sites. Real stories, on sites which actually are in favor of masks. But you won’t go past five sites because you don’t want to see anything behich contradicts your made up reality that masks are no big deal.

    You have yet to bring a single rational argument about how the mild psychological affects of mask wearing somehow trump the major sakana of not wearing them (see: my drunk driving moshol).

    Real life. Conversations with mechanchim.

    I woud tell you to speak to rabbonim and mechanchim who don’t insist on masks and ask them the reasons, in a sincere way, but I’m afraid you are not able to drop your bias and hear real answers and accept that there’s another side.

    #1950713
    MadeAliyah
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    @yserbius123 you misunderstood me too. I was talking about foggy glasses.
    Ask anyone with myopia about this phenomenon and be prepared to hear the woes of the practically blind.

    #1950804
    Yserbius123
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    @daas-yochid Let’s get this out of the way, on the two sides of this argument, pro-death and anti-COVID, there’s really only evidence to back the anti-COVID side. For one, you’re getting pedantic about minor details in order to avoid addressing my points. Whether Hatzalah was called or almost is irrelevant when the facts remain that masks are not physically dangerous but not wearing masks are.

    If you want to quote a source about masks and asthma, don’t tell me “just google it” when “just googling it” exclusively brings up stuff that directly contradicts your main point. Tell me where to look.

    I woud tell you to speak to rabbonim and mechanchim who don’t insist on masks and ask them the reasons, in a sincere way, but I’m afraid you are not able to drop your bias and hear real answers and accept that there’s another side.

    Yeah, I’ve spoken with mechanchim and Rabbonim. All the Rabbonim in my city have spoken again and again how important it is to wear masks to shul. As did the Rabbonim in nearly every other place I know of, except for those that are pro-death. Even the New York Times, in its recent anti-Semitic hit piece about COVID and Israeli Chareidim, admitted that the Rabbonim are constantly asking people to wear masks. Every non-dorming Yeshiva near me has strict mask rules. I believe it was Rav Yaakov Bender SHLITA that was approached by people asking him about the psychological effects of wearing masks and he bluntly said “There’s no increase in suicides”. If you’re going to be pro-death, you’re going to have to have a better argument than “Well some Rabbonim say it’s OK”.

    @MadeAliya Oh that. Yeah, I wear glasses with my mask. If you’re constantly fogging up, you have to get a different mask. Or just take them off and clean them. I’ve never found it anything more than a minor inconvenience. I think if we’re making a comparison to being anti-COVID or pro-death, COVID is a little more inconvenient than a couple of minutes of having foggy glasses in shul.

    #1950805
    Yserbius123
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    @daas-yochid Addendum: Just for fun, I went through the entire first page of Google results for “asthma mask”. Zilch. Nada. Nothing. Every result is about how important it is to wear a mask even for asthmatics.

    And to add on the the mechanchim thing, the only thing I’ve ever heard a mechanech say that’s pro-death is “It’s difficult to expect kids to wear masks all day”. Which (1) does not support your argument at all and (2) is patently false as many Yeshivos do have mask rules and the kids follow them.

    #1950820
    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    “on the two sides of this argument, pro-death and anti-COVID, ”

    With these words you have illustrated your inability to have a conversation.

    We went thru this begore. We explained that you ignored and manipulated much of our words. We even got you to hear it. But boing…you seem to have relapsed.

    Either learn to listen to the words of the person you are dialoging with (it’s called being respectful) or close your computer and go talk to a wall.
    For the umpteenth time, it’s not the message that’s the problem, it’s the inabolity to have a conversation.

    #1950893
    Yserbius123
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    @syag-lchochma I am listening. You and the others are not. All I’m saying is that wearing masks saves lives and the negative effects of it are exaggerated. So far not one of these posters has had any rational response to that statement. So yes, people who are against wearing masks are pro-death.

    #1950901
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    You cant misquote people, misrepresent their comments, skip half of their points and call it listening.

    I have told you my doctor said i don’t need a madk and – you told me i read it online.

    DY told you something he saw – you said he got it from a whatsapp.

    I told you i spoke to several doctors IN PERSON who said the masks won’t stop the spread – you said i should try speaking to doctors.

    Ad nauseam

    Face reality sir,
    You. Aren’t. Listening.

    #1950905
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Pro death? Another blatant lie. They are piling up.

    #1950906
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Were you a pathological liar before Covid, or is this an effect of the lockdown and restrictions? Maybe the psychological impact of wearing a mask?

    #1950911
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    From the CDC: Masks should NOT be worn by children under age 2 or anyone who has trouble breathing.

    The person who I mentioned was told by his doctor that he cannot wear a mask for long periods.

    (It was physical. If it were psychological it probably would have bolstered my point even more)

    #1950912
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    “on the two sides of this argument, pro-death and anti-COVID, ”

    With these words you have illustrated your inability to have a conversation.

    This is right on the mark. If Yserbius would speak to 1000 rabbonim and mechanchim who disagreed with him, he would disregard all of it because they are all pro death.

    The fact is that there are gedolim on both sides of the equation. But not according to Yserbius, because by definition they aren’t gedolim since they’re “pro death” r”l.

    #1950970
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @syag-lchochma @daas-yochid I have repeatedly stated my position and you and the others have repeatedly muddied the waters and gave vaguer and vaguer rebuttals to it (“Just google it”, “mechanchim”, “I once saw…” etc.). You literally leave me no choice but to call you pro-death since you have made it abundantly clear that you don’t care about people dying from COVID and brush it off pretending there’s nothing to be done. All I want is a simple rebuttal to my position: Wearing masks saves lives and the negative effects of it are exaggerated.

    To address your most recent goalpost moves:

    You cant misquote people, misrepresent their comments, skip half of their points and call it listening.

    And you can’t continue to ignore the main drive of my argument and claim that I didn’t address a non-existent rebuttal.

    I told you i spoke to several doctors IN PERSON who said the masks won’t stop the spread – you said i should try speaking to doctors.

    No doctor will say that it stop the spread entirely, but considering that the vast majority of experts (doctors, health organizations, nurses, EMT orgs, two presidents, and the CDC) are still recommending mask wearings I have difficulty believing that you found multiple doctors who do not recommend it and say it doesn’t help. I believe you probably asked them a very specific question, like “If everyone wears a mask will COVID be over?” and they answered truthfully that no it won’t be over.

    From the CDC: Masks should NOT be worn by children under age 2 or anyone who has trouble breathing.

    Read how the CDC describe someone with trouble breathing. They are referring specifically to people who regularly are hospitalized with breathing problems and give very strong recommendations that said people should take extra care to socially distant, a far more extreme act than just wearing a mask.

    The person who I mentioned was told by his doctor that he cannot wear a mask for long periods.

    Yichidim. Edge cases. I never denied that there are people who cannot wear a mask. But like I repeatedly said (which you’ve continued to ignore) those people are so few and far in between we can make special accommodations for them. They absolutely do not account for the sheer number of people who are running around in crowds without masks, and they are absolutely not an excuse for random yutzes to not wear a mask because it makes them uncomfortable.

    The fact is that there are gedolim on both sides of the equation.

    There are no two sides to the equation anymore than there are two sides to the question of whether the Earth is round or flat. There’s people who are rational and people who are duped. Unfortunately, a lot of gedolim are surrounded by a filter of people who is their only connection to the outside world. So if the filter is biased, the gadol’s opinions share that bias.

    Alright that’s enough. No more goalposts movements. Wear a mask. Unless you have some severe health problem there’s no reason not to wear a mask. And no respect should be given to those who say that it’s a personal choice. These are facts and this is my position. Address them, or move on.

    #1951003
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    “You literally leave me no choice but to call you pro-death since you have made it abundantly clear that you don’t care about people dying from COVID”

    Based on the above lies, you literally leave me no chouce but to call you a liar, manipulator of facts, incapable of having a two way conversation and, you have proven you can’t even process things you don’t agree with.

    Skipped the rest. I’d rather converse with GH about tds. At least it’s a two way conversation.

    #1952081
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @syag-lchochma You would rather believe some insane story that logically either never occurred, or is such a rarity it proves nothing than to simply put a piece of fabric over your nose and mouth. But no. I am the liar for calling you people out on your dangerous nonsense.

    #1952080
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @syag-lchochma Nu? Lies? You are talking about a global pandemic and minimizing the one thing that we could do to help save people with minimal effects on our own lives and you call me the liar? How many doctors have told you not to wear a mask? How many Rabbonim?

    #1952086
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    I have not minimized saving lives, i have told you that you lie, distort, manipulate, gaslight and disrespect people’s opinions to the point that you cannot have a give and take because you believe that there is only one opinion. Yours.
    That’s what i said.

    It is amazing that you can’t seperate your content from your methods.

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