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  • #827447
    Jothar
    Member

    Zeeskite, lolz!

    #827448
    Jothar
    Member

    Just to make it clear again:

    I have nothing personal against anybody. I’m just trying to stop cybercrime. As a father, the death of Leiby kletzky hit me hard. So when I spotted what looked like cybercrime, I had to react. The innocent kids (and adults) of the CR deserve nothing less.

    #827449
    2scents
    Participant

    Hey Jothar! you just revealed some info.. now we know your a Father.

    #827450
    ZeesKite
    Participant

    Avraham in XX (now unlawful to specify!)

    I don’t have ANYTHING against him or anyone. After all he’s Big Brother, trying to keep us children safe. Just a bit fun. OK? Have any other topics? It’s been DEAD here since I returned. Grand Chief Dr. Jothar Sr. Jr. Phd. himself (of the mail variety, I suppose) stated he has nothing against anyone with a body. He’s just out to keep me (innocent kid) safe. He’s big enough to discern that I too have nothing against him.

    #827451
    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    Jothar, (I don’t mean to probe, but) what does the ‘z’ stand for?

    #827452
    OneOfMany
    Participant

    ZeesKite: “Big Fish Caught”

    XD

    #827453
    Jothar
    Member

    The Z in “lolz”? It’s netslang. As in plural lol is lols, and it gets switched to a z. also gets written as lulz, as in lulzsec, the hacking groups that does it for the “lulz”, aka the laughs.

    Those of you who live in apartments know the feeling when you turn on the kitchen light in the middle of the night and all the roaches go scurrying out of the light. Since I started this thread, the phishing attempts seemed to have stopped. A little light sheds much darkness. The trick is now to catch the roaches before they can come out again.

    #827454
    am yisrael chai
    Participant

    That is definitely one way of looking at it.

    Here’s another possibility:

    People have been instilled with an overabundance of FEAR that there are several requests to get rid of their accounts, and other innocent posters who have taken extended vacations.

    Rambam teaches “shvil hazahav” and go in the middle, without extremes. People should be CAUTIOUS but not live in fear. According to the extremism, many threads by students requesting information on seminaries in E”Y should be banned, as now we know genders and approximate age.

    Things happen, that’s true. But people still take the subway, still travel by airplane, etc.

    And LEIBY a”h had Nothing to do with the internet. I AM a Kletzky. I’ve been affected by this summer in a very personal way and am still reeling from the loss. As well as other losses. (Btw, his great-grandfather whom he was named after used to say quite often that the only regret he has from surviving the war was that he was unable to die al kiddush Hashem…)

    And I still believe that one should be cautious but not paranoid.

    The hypervigilance is not healthy for anyone.

    You may just wish to admit to yourself that you made a BIG mistake with your facebook account, surprisingly enough since you claim to be in security. We all make mistakes.

    Now everyone here is suspect. Even you.

    #827455
    OneOfMany
    Participant

    Jothar: “Laugh out louds”? Sounds kinda off…

    😛

    #827456
    Jothar
    Member

    Oneofmany, read through my posts over the years and you will see I have quite the sense of humor.

    I took a long break, came back, noticed suspicious activity, and decided to point it out.

    am yisroel chai, agreed 100%. Have fun, but be cautious.

    We have a case of bari hezeika here. The suspicious phishing and info harvesting posts completely disappeared once i pointed it out. YWN owner knows of one person who has been using the info gleaned here for nefarious purposes, and it could be there are more. Exactly what the balance is, I don’t know. But the pendulum clearly needed to swing back in the direction of caution- people were being too free with personal info, and someone HAS been taking advantage.

    And correct, everyone is suspect. Chazal tell us that even though every Jew has a chezkas kashrus, we still say Kabdeihu vechashdeihu. The gemara says a yachid bedoro was someone whom people would lend money to without a loan document. That’s the way the gemara defines a gadol hador, so clearly anyone who is not on that level requires a loan document as proof.

    Everyone here is a stranger. Have fun, but take precautions.

    #827457
    OneOfMany
    Participant

    Jothar: 🙂

    #827458
    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    Jothar, I think you misunderstood OneOfMany. He was talking about the grammer, not about you.

    Do you really think someone got people’s email addresses by asking a few too personal questions? Like I said, it seems like there is more than one issue here. Perhaps they are connected, perhaps not.

    #827459
    ZeesKite
    Participant

    So now we know he’s a father, and lives in a roach infested apartment! It’ll take some time, my auto-poster-location-detector device has been duly activated…

    #827460
    OneOfMany
    Participant

    Disclaimer: I am not a grammar Nazi. The idea of pluralizing “lol” just was too amusing to ignore.

    #827461
    am yisrael chai
    Participant

    ZK 🙂

    #827462
    ZeesKite
    Participant

    And HaLeiVi, you most certainly DON’T want to start up with some guys. They can easily remove “not” from your subtitle!

    #827463
    hanib
    Participant

    observanteen: thanks so much for the warm welcome.

    Your common sense is a rare virtue;).

    does that mean everyone else has uncommon sense or common nonsense? 😉

    #827464
    Jothar
    Member

    Again, am yisroel chai might very well be who he/she claims to be- and might not. Until verified sn’s are implemented, it’s hard to trust anyone.

    #827466
    ZeesKite
    Participant

    Jothar:

    I suppose you missed out on “Would MODs allow me to impersonate myself?”

    http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/would-mods-allow-me-to-impersonate-myself

    #827467
    ZeesKite
    Participant

    And how do we verify the one who verifies?

    And how do we verify the one who verifies the one who verifies?

    And how do we verify the one who verifies the one who verifies the one who verifies?

    And how do we veri{Insert Paper}

    #827468
    always here
    Participant

    the CR is becoming increasingly unpleasant 🙁

    Jothar~ I’m not enjoying ANY of your posts :/

    #827469
    Jothar
    Member

    Thing might be easier soon, once someone is in here:

    http://nigelparry.com/enginefiles/uploads/llima-orosa-cell-toilet.jpg

    #827470
    ZeesKite
    Participant

    Hey, place seems familiar…

    (next time please a bit more edel… Thanks)

    #827471
    always here
    Participant

    I thought outside links are not permitted>??!

    Jothar: I would never click on a link that has ‘toilet’ in it.. inappropriate much??

    #827472
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    always here – *I am NOT being argumentative, just voicing a parallel comment* I get what you are saying but I (personally) find the rebuttals to him more intrusive than the comments. And, honestly, both together don’t compare to the occasional posts/posters who are biting, flippant, not-quite-sensitive etc who really hurt people personally and have sent me on what AYC called extended ‘vacations’.

    #827473
    always here
    Participant

    also- Jothar: your continuing references to prison cells are insensitive; it’s not a joke; some posters may have had family members/friends inside, & may find your comments more than somewhat distasteful.

    #827474
    BTGuy
    Participant

    lol always here. I agree with you, except in the case where someone really needs one.

    #827476
    YW Moderator-42
    Moderator

    Am Yisrael Chai account LOCKED due to possible FRAUD

    I would like to apologize in advance. I’m sure this is a misunderstanding and we’ll be laughing about it next week. However, the safety of our readers is of paramount importance.

    AYC claimed above that she was a Kletzky.

    Be aware of stalkers/info stealers

    One of our readers who knows the family contacted a Kletzky, who thought that this person sounded very suspicious. They are VERY concerned about identity theft and false claims. For now, due to the safety concerns of the CR, we understandably have blocked the account. AYC, please check your email and contact me for more info. Alternatively, please call the Kletzkys and touch base, and they will let us know to unlock the account.

    I very much hope that this is a simple misunderstanding. In the meantime, however, I’m sure that you will understand why we must make this move. Thank you very much, and again my apologies.

    #827477
    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    So it’s dangerous to claim you’re a Kletzky!!? It’s dangerous for the Kletzkys if someone claims to be in the family!!? Does it mean identity was stolen if you claim to be of any particular family? Please explain.

    Charlie, can you explain this one as well?

    #827478
    Jothar
    Member

    WOW. I am STUNNED.

    I know Joseph. As misguided as he is, he would NEVER, as a talmid of Rav Avigdor Miller, stoop to claiming to be a Kletzky and using that to manipulate people. This better be a misunderstanding.

    #827479

    Is this a Coffee Room or a mikveh?

    #827480
    Jothar
    Member

    Halevi, when I started this thread, I did it because of what happened to kletzky and trusting strangers. So this ayc character posts up and says, I’m a Kletzky and don’t worry about trusting strangers”. Turns out the guy was falsely claiming to be a kletzky to lure everyone into a false sense of comfort. It’s like the menuval telling the kid, “I know your father you can trust me”.

    This is awful.

    #827481
    BrainwasheD
    Participant

    One is MECHUYAV to dan AYC lekaf zechus until this is clarified. And if it is clarified, one is MECHUYAV to consult Daas Torah before calling the police. Let’s not confuse halacha with petty revenge.

    #827482
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    When she said she was a Kletzky I thought she meant it figuratively, meaning that she wasn’t just a bystander of tragedy but among the victims. Either way, 42 said it may be a misunderstanding. Knowing how sensitive AYC has been to lesser charges, can we hold off on the gavel clop til we know more?

    #827483
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    HaLevei- It was the Kletzky’s who were worried, not the mods. Why are you jumping on them? (Asked with a questioning tone, not a condescending one)

    I feel like every post needs a disclaimer 🙁

    #827484
    MindOverChatter
    Participant

    I’ve no idea whether this is true or not. But while we, the fellow CRers are speculating, I’d like to commend Mod -42 on a job well done. Although this may be wrong, he’d done his duty as a mod as efficient and pain-free as possible. I greatly appreciate your concern and constant action to protect us, Mod. Thank you.

    (And AYC, in case this is false, please forgive the mods. They don’t want to hurt you per se, and they truly do mean well. If you’re just an innocent poster, you too, would be relieved when you’d see the mods ensure our security.)

    #827485

    mods, I’m not judging, since there might be more to this than meets the eye, however why couldn’t you just delete that post??? it would have saved alot of trouble…

    “YW Moderator-42

    Occasional 24/6 Moderator, Occasional Joseph, Occasional Dolt.

    Am Yisrael Chai account LOCKED due to possible FRAUD

    I would like to apologize in advance. I’m sure this is a misunderstanding and we’ll be laughing about it next week. However, the safety of our readers is of paramount importance.

    AYC claimed above that she was a Kletzky.

    Be aware of stalkers/info stealers

    One of our readers who knows the family contacted a Kletzky, who thought that this person sounded very suspicious. They are VERY concerned about identity theft and false claims. For now, due to the safety concerns of the CR, we understandably have blocked the account. AYC, please check your email and contact me for more info. Alternatively, please call the Kletzkys and touch base, and they will let us know to unlock the account.

    I very much hope that this is a simple misunderstanding. In the meantime, however, I’m sure that you will understand why we must make this move. Thank you very much, and again my apologies.

    #827486
    kapusta
    Participant

    I really, really hope this is a big misunderstanding. I could easily be wrong in thinking this way but the AYC posts that I’ve read hardly seem like they came from someone who could play such a sick joke. At the same time, until its sorted out, I must give credit to the mods for keeping this place safe.

    I always assumed AYC is a he as opposed to a she, but I guess the account has a female name…?

    *kapusta*

    #827487
    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    Jothar, you are bending over backwards to make someone sound criminal.

    #827488
    2qwerty
    Participant

    Was Jothar working together with AYC playing good cop bad cop? Because i trusted Jothar and clicked on his link its possible that he knows my IP address now. (That’s actually the most personal info i’ve seen anyone give out in the coffee room)

    Should i be worried?

    #827489

    haleivi: agreed. I wonder how Jothar knows the criminal’s mind sooo well… He comes up with concepts alot of us would never think of or imagine…. hmmmm

    #827490
    moi aussi
    Member

    If I say I’m related to Rockefeller, or the Sultan of Brunei or lehavdil the Belzer Rebbe, have I caused any DANGER????

    #827491
    Avram in MD
    Participant

    It seems possible to me that YW Moderator-42 is using an object lesson to make a point to am yisrael chai, that revealing personal information in the CR (e.g., that am yisrael chai is a Kletzky) can lead to real life ramifications (having the Kletzky family contacted regarding the CR posts).

    That’s all I think this is; after all, if AYC’s account was really locked, YW Moderator-42 would probably have noted such in his/her screenname subtitle, as is commonly done when other posters have their accounts locked.

    #827492
    lolkatz
    Member

    Jothar, you kept pointing out how ayc was refering to “Joseph” as a tzaddik. Why are you so sure this hideous ogre (assuming, of course, that it’s a hideous ogre instead of a simple misunderstanding) isn’t Joseph?

    #827493
    Jothar
    Member

    Can we please let AYC clear his/her name before we start with the “snapping towel” defenses please?

    #827494
    Avram in MD
    Participant

    moi aussi,

    If I say I’m related to Rockefeller, or the Sultan of Brunei or lehavdil the Belzer Rebbe, have I caused any DANGER????

    I think YW Moderator-42 is attempting to demonstrate the danger. Consider the following sequence of events:

    1.) Poster “YoungPerson” mentions that she is from prominent family X.

    2.) Poster “OlderMan” contacts someone in family X, stating that he is involved with IT security, and that someone in the CR is claiming to be from family X, which concerns him, and to confirm that YoungPerson is legit.

    3.) Family X investigates and finds out that a young niece is posting in the CR, so they contact OlderMan to let him know who YoungPerson is, and that she’s legit. They thank OlderMan for his concern for the family’s privacy.

    4.) OlderMan now has YoungPerson’s full name, and can easily deduce other details such as address, age, school, etc.

    #827495

    AYC, many people have gotten out of tzoores like this by “shmearing the gabba”. I’m not taaning you should do this, I’m just saying. A few hundred dollars should do it.

    #827496
    ZeesKite
    Participant

    Avram in MD:

    Might I suggest you get a new s/n

    1) “?? ???? ??? ??? ????”

    2) You’re disclosing your location. That could be dangerous. There aren’t too many Avrams in MD. All we (me and helper Watson) have to do is go there and see who which Avram talks like you post!

    #827497
    BrainwasheD
    Participant

    I look forward to happy news from the mods that this was a misunderstanding, and we can all welcome back ayc with open arms.

    #827498
    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    Avram, I like your theory but not the logic. Number 2 just doesn’t make sense. OlderMan calls family X and says (in a low pitch, professional voice), “There is some anonymous person on our blog that says he/she is part of your family!(!!!)”

    Family X responds: “and?”

    OlderMan: “We are not sure if s/he is legitimate!”

    Mr. X: “And if he’s not in my family, then what?”

    OlderMan (hyperventilating): “Then he is not legit!”

    Mr. X: “Legit what??”

    OlderMan: “This is a serious security threat and you are taking it lightly!!!”

    Mr. X: “I think I have a beep”

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