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  • #1833998
    ubiquitin
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    KY and RM
    I don’t know what these quotes are showing

    Again what we are looking for is that ““Democrat party supports post birth abortion.” (KY’s claim) aka “infanticide (RM’s claim)

    I’m not even sure what a post birth abortion is .
    none of these quotes seem to refer to a “post birth abortion”

    #1833991
    klugeryid
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    You can also Google it just type a name and abortion position.
    It’s not hard to find

    #1834037
    ubiquitin
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    Of course I did.
    but the only thing I can ind is Trump claiming the Democrats support that.
    Except of course like everything he says, it isnt true

    #1834042
    klugeryid
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    Ubiq
    Your a real outliner aren’t you,
    On the other thread here (what happens if you vote democrat) you are only willing to discuss abortion in cases of severe circumstances
    Now your claiming only to discuss post birth abortion.
    No. You are wrong on both counts.
    The discussion centers on the democrats position that abortion is a woman’s right to choose, for any reason she wants.
    Meaning she has a right to terminate a regular, healthy, full term even (not that that really is different than six months let’s say) , pregnancy, on a. Whim. Just because she is not in the mood to have the baby. We are pointing out the moral depravity of a party that champions the right to such depravity.

    Post birth abortion, while not legal yet, (it means that a mother has the right to kill her baby for a short while after the birth as well, an as yet undetermined amount of time, for what is really the difference between killing the baby when it’s inside her or killing it twenty minutes later when it’s outside her, a position who’s lomdus happens to be totally correct. Just reversed.)

    It was brought in to show how depraved the democrat leadership is, for these are those who have publicly con out in support of it.

    But it is not the main thrust of the argument, nor is it even a necessary component. It’s just a side point.

    The quotes are brought to show what the top candidates in the current presidential election hold in regards to the overall idea of abortion.

    #1834045
    klugeryid
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    This is a perfect illustration of why we don’t rely on our own mind to decide which sin is worse.
    Here we have a usually bright cogent rational person, on two separate threads, misunderstanding the same blatant and obvious point of the conversation.
    Is it them a wonder that when we want a moral judgement, we check our own ideas at the door and look at what the Torah tells us?

    #1834056
    ubiquitin
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    “you are only willing to discuss abortion in cases of severe circumstances
    Now your claiming only to discuss post birth abortion.”

    I’m not sure what you mean. That thread was about abortions of necessity. This was about “infanticide” (not abortion). In each thread I’m discussing the topic of discussion.

    “Post birth abortion, while not legal yet, (it means that a mother has the right to kill her baby”

    That’s called murder not abortion. Keep terms straight so conversation scare meangingful.

    there is no democratic candidate who calls for infanticide. Or “post birth abortion”. As I said. If you want to obsfucate and saysay oh but xyz. You can.
    But first let’s stick to the original “infanticide”
    Can you name s democratic candidate who supports that?

    “, for what is really the difference between killing the baby when it’s inside her or killing it twenty minutes later when it’s outside her, a position who’s lomdus happens to be totally correct. Just reversed.)”

    That’s a position that is completely incorrect. And the polar opposite of lomdus . Halacha is full of drawing lines. A minute before shabbos starts you can light a fire a minute after you getcskikah. C’mon its just wanted be minute what’s the difference? Are you for real?
    Once rov gufo emerges ” abortion” (it’s not abortion at that point) is not allowed even if the mother is at risk. C’mon 20 minutes it was . Is that what you are saying?

    “The quotes are brought to show what the top candidates in the current presidential election hold in regards to the overall idea of abortion.”

    Shkoyach!
    But that’s not the subject of this thread .
    I am discuss ing “infanticide” if you can’t provide a demo crat calling for that just say so. Don’t say irrelevant nonsense

    #1834129
    Resident Mortal
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    Re ubiquitin

    Gov. Ralph Northam

    “[Third trimester abortions are] done in cases where there may be severe deformities. There may be a fetus that’s nonviable. So in this particular example, if a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen,” Northam, a pediatric neurosurgeon, told Washington radio station WTOP. “The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired. And then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.”

    #1834204
    ubiquitin
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    RM
    ?
    This is done routinely and isn’t even controversial neither legally nor lehavdil, halachicly .

    Unlike abortion where there is some machlokes. This is more black and white. As far as I’m aware NO halachic authority requires ressucitation in the case of “severe deformities…, a fetus that’s nonviable” Eg anencephaly rch”l . Some poskim DO allow abortion (even though medically there is no “risk to mother”) but NO posek, (that I’m aware of ) that requires resuscitation in such a case

    #1834174
    klugeryid
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    Rm
    A huge thanks. That’s exactly what I was referring to. Thank you for saving me the trouble to look it up.

    #1834178
    klugeryid
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    Ubiq I’m the one who used the term infanticide
    I meant it as the extreme result of the dens sick love of a woman’s ”’right to choose ”’
    It was never the totality of this conversation it is not even a necessary part of it
    Want me to rephrase. No problem
    Trump is a pleasure loving flawed human being who publicly espouses and actually serves policies that are in somewhat in line with an upstanding proper and moral lifestyle, though he himself may not live that way
    Versus the democrat party which actively pushes animmoral and depraved lifestyle of murder (abortion) and depravity (lbgtqrpnvx) aka gay ”lifestyle ”
    I think as a Jew the choice is quite clear
    Trump.

    Better now?

    #1834262
    ubiquitin
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    “Better now?”

    Yes!

    #1834257
    Joseph
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    Bottom Line: Would you rather have the guy in office who tries to ban Jewish practices (Bloomberg) or the guy who tries and does help Yidden (Trump), and moreso has a lifelong history of doing so even long before becoming President?

    #1834266
    klugeryid
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    Ubiq
    It’s what I’ve been saying all along

    #1834610
    👑RebYidd23
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    Bloomberg wants you to talk about him.

    #1834619
    👑RebYidd23
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    I don’t think presidents should run for two consecutive terms.

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