June 14, 2010 3:07 am at 3:07 am #591770
Does anyone here like any deep-strategy games? Specifically, I’m referring to the German-style of boardgame.
Among the games I have (and play with my kids and others) are:
Settlers of Cataan
I’m The Boss (technically not a German-style game, but a lot of fun)
Power Grid (I don’t own this one, but I borrow it sometimes)
This week I bought a new game — Wealth of Nations. It’s a very interesting game — although it took a few turns before my sons and I understood how the markets work and how the economies of the game are set up.
So, what about you? Do your gaming habits go beyond Monopoly and Risk? If so, what are they?
The WolfJune 14, 2010 3:32 am at 3:32 am #808907
Nothing beats good old ChessJune 14, 2010 4:41 am at 4:41 am #808908
I loved Stratego! I say it in past tense since I havn’t played the game in years!June 14, 2010 5:06 am at 5:06 am #808909
I used to love playing with my older brother these games.
2. Axis and Allies
3. Spy Alley
They were all games you needed to use your head in order to play… Not just randomly move pieces around…June 14, 2010 7:04 am at 7:04 am #808910
chess wins all. kids love rummy and uno.June 14, 2010 1:35 pm at 1:35 pm #808911
We love “Bannanagrams”
what is a “German-style” strategy game, may I ask?June 14, 2010 1:42 pm at 1:42 pm #808912
I enjoy playing Settlers. Another game I’ve enjoyed is called Ticket to Ride.June 14, 2010 2:21 pm at 2:21 pm #808913
Chess is a very good game. The fact that it’s been played for thousands of years is a testament to it’s ability to entertain.
However, I’ve found over the years that chess just isn’t quite my speed. That’s not to take anything away from it, but I’ve found I like the games mentioned above better.
The WolfJune 14, 2010 2:55 pm at 2:55 pm #808914
Its similiar to Risk, but much better. Less chance and more strategy.June 14, 2010 3:01 pm at 3:01 pm #808915
what is a “German-style” strategy game, may I ask?
A German-style board game is a game that has most (if not all) of the following characteristics:
— Favor strategy heavily over luck (in some games there is no luck at all)
— High level of social interaction (trading, direct competition) between players
— No player elimination (unlike, say, Risk or Monopoly, where players are eliminated and then have to wait around for the other players to finish)
— In many games, most players are still in the game (in terms of having a chance to win) until the very end (unlike other games where a player can fall hopelessly behind).
— An element of resource management and/or economic development.
— The quality of the game components (pieces, boards, artwork) are usually better than standard board games.
The WolfJune 14, 2010 3:04 pm at 3:04 pm #808916
I’ve always wanted to try that, but never quite got around to it.
The WolfJune 14, 2010 3:06 pm at 3:06 pm #808917
One can eliminate dice from Risk and thus eliminate much of the “chance”. There is a house rule to use “one-for-one” army elimination instead of dice rolling. This speeds up the game and places more emphasis on strategy. If you combine this with other house rules for distibuting and adding armies, it can be a great improvement over the traditional game.June 14, 2010 3:08 pm at 3:08 pm #808918
We played it in high school history class 🙂 It was an awesome competition.
I know its a different vein, but have you tried Magic? Its somewhat luck based but still heavily skill based. I don’t play it but my cousin used to.June 14, 2010 3:17 pm at 3:17 pm #808919
Yep, I played that for a while in the late 1990s. I always thought the design of the game (in terms of playability and scalability) was ingenious.
The WolfJune 14, 2010 3:20 pm at 3:20 pm #808920
Well, at least I’m on the right track!
I really like Settlers of Catan too.June 14, 2010 3:48 pm at 3:48 pm #808921
squeak, one for one is not correct for Risk. If you assume a 3 vs 2 roll, there are 7,776 possible roll combinations. 2,890 have the attacker winning twice (37.2%). 2,275 have the defender winning twice (29.3%). 2,611 have each winning once (33.6%). As you can see, the attacker in a 3 vs. 2 roll has the advantage. If the same number of dice are being rolled, the defender has an advantage. Therefore, one eliminates one is not a good idea.June 14, 2010 3:58 pm at 3:58 pm #808922
I really like Settlers of Catan too.
Settlers was actually the first “German-style” game that I played. I suspect that that statement holds true for a lot of other people as well.
Some other really good games that I didn’t list in my earlier post —
— Small World
— Civilization (the old board game from the 1980s, not the computer game — although that’s good too.)
— Scrabble (yeah, it’s not a G-S game, but it’s still fun and Eeees and I have a lot of fun playing this)
This past Shabbos, my sons and I played our first game of Wealth of Nations (my daughter elected to go to her cousins instead. 🙂 ). In Wealth of Nations, players represent heads of nations attempting to make their nation into an economic superpower. In this game, my younger son and I developed an odd symbiotic relationship in that I controlled the only banks on the board and he controlled all the generators. As a result, every turn I would end up buying energy from him with the money I generated from the bank. The older son, however, quickly took control of the capital and labor and that put him in a formidable position in the game. In the end, it turned out to be quite close, but my older son won by about three points.
The WolfJune 14, 2010 4:00 pm at 4:00 pm #808923
I recall as a child learning that a game with play money (like monopoly) cannot be played on Shabbos.June 14, 2010 4:00 pm at 4:00 pm #808924
squeak, one for one is not correct for Risk.
The great thing about house rules is that if it makes the game more challenging and enjoyable for them, then who is to say it’s wrong.
You (and I) may feel that it changes the game to the point where it’s no longer Risk, but hey, if he likes it…
The WolfJune 14, 2010 4:15 pm at 4:15 pm #808925
Feif, good observation. The way the rule is implemented is that first the defender loses an army, then the attacker loses one, and so forth – until the attacker runs out of armies or captures the territory. Thus, if the attacker brings 3 armies and the defender has 2, the attacker will capture the territory with one occupying army. If the defender has only one army, the attacker loses nothing and captures the territory. The attacker’s advantage is intact.June 14, 2010 4:51 pm at 4:51 pm #808927
But squeak, if the attacker comes with 3 vs. the defenders 2, they are each rolling 2 dice, and the defender would have the advantage, not the attacker. The attacker only gains the advantage when he rolls more dice than the defender does.June 14, 2010 5:47 pm at 5:47 pm #808928
I like the original Trivial Pursuit.June 14, 2010 7:22 pm at 7:22 pm #808929
Feif, it does change the game somewhat. But there are advantages to the changes and disadvantages. I did not create this house rule, it is a fairly well-known one. I think it is officially known as “no dice”.June 14, 2010 7:39 pm at 7:39 pm #808930
I like the original Trivial Pursuit.
Funny story about Trivial Pursuit that happened to me while Eeees and I were dating.
Eeees and I were playing TP at my house one day (the game was very popular back in the 80s). Of the six categories in the original game, my weakest category is Entertainment. So, after I collected all six wedges and got to the center of the board, Eeees chose entertainment.
The question that I got asked me to whose picture did Judy Garland sing “You Made Me Love You” in some 1938 movie (I forget the title now). I knew the correct answer (Clark Gable) only because I had seen a special on TV about a week earlier where that particular clip from that movie was played. She was completely surprised and shocked that I knew the answer.
The very next time we played Trivial Pursuit was about a few weeks later. Once again, I collected all six wedges and got to the center of the board. Entertainment was still my weakest category and so, again, Eeees chose Entertainment and drew a card from the box.
It was the exact same question. 🙂
The WolfJune 14, 2010 7:46 pm at 7:46 pm #808932
Is that when you realized she was your basherte?
BTW are you Asian? Eeees sounds like a very foreign name.June 14, 2010 7:48 pm at 7:48 pm #808933
Is that when you realized she was your basherte?
No. I had already long known by then.
BTW are you Asian? Eeees sounds like a very foreign name.
No. Eeees is a nickname. We’re both American.
The WolfJune 15, 2010 12:50 am at 12:50 am #808935
“I had seen a special on TV about a week earlier”
Im shocked we even allow this sentance on YWN.
We have sunk so low. People are wasting shabbas playing games!
Shabbas is meant for learning and davening. Not for playing games. How about if you spent your shabbas afternoon learning with your kids instead? Besides the fact that theyll do better by learning you also wont be oiver on bittul torah.June 15, 2010 1:02 am at 1:02 am #808937
My guess is that you are one very bored teenager…
EDITEDJune 15, 2010 1:06 am at 1:06 am #808938
not a teenager. I got reshus from my rosh yeshva to go to college twice a week. its usually the only Internet acess I have so that’s when I post. Im usually not online the rest of the week so I cant realy respond to other members.
And I dont bash, I ask questions and give my opinion.June 15, 2010 1:12 am at 1:12 am #808940
But do you always do as you say? Because you usually are VERY extreme with ur opinions and it just seems like ur telling everyone what they’re doing wrong and I doubt ur doing these things yourself.June 15, 2010 1:14 am at 1:14 am #808941
“But do you always do as you say? Because you usually are VERY extreme with ur opinions and it just seems like ur telling everyone what they’re doing wrong and I doubt ur doing these things yourself. “
im not perfect. Sometimes I slip up. But atleast Im ashamed enough about it that I dont brag about it online. I dont brag about wasting my shabbas or my kids shabbas playing games that dont mean anything.June 15, 2010 1:20 am at 1:20 am #808942
What exactly is wrong with spending time with your kids shbbs afternoon, after you learned with them? You can’t pressure kids with learning ALL DAY.June 15, 2010 1:23 am at 1:23 am #808943
“What exactly is wrong with spending time with your kids shbbs afternoon, after you learned with them? You can’t pressure kids with learning ALL DAY. “
Iagree that they cant learn all the time. But there are so many other things to do. Read them stories of the gedolim then. Play a torahdik game (not the ones he mentioned). Sing zemirois with them. There are lots of other good things to do rather than waste time playing games on shabbas.June 15, 2010 1:39 am at 1:39 am #808944
Mosherose, you gotta understand that not everyone lives in the same world as your mind.
May I ask what age RANGE you are?June 15, 2010 1:43 am at 1:43 am #808945
My world is teh torah world. In the torah world we dont waste shabbas afternoon playing games with no meaning.
Im in my 20s.June 15, 2010 1:52 am at 1:52 am #808946
Ok. Good for you then if you can use every minute for torah. But its not very realistic todays days. But for yourself- learn torah and be as frum as you can! Kol hakovod!
EDITEDJune 15, 2010 2:22 am at 2:22 am #808947
I didn’t want to start up with mosherose but I do agree with smartcookie. Mosherose-Not every one lives a life like you do and when someone wants some good ideas for a board game they’re not necessarily interested in you putting them down for playing.June 15, 2010 2:39 am at 2:39 am #808948
“Of the six categories in the original game, my weakest category is Entertainment.”
That’s my BEST one 🙂
Actually the only one I am terrible at is Sports. I play with my married son whenever they come to visit, and I used to beat him until he insisted on using the more up-to-date edition. I am really good at this game most of the time, because my head is filled with useless trivia (LOL), but the funny thing is when I got the last wedge and my son would give me the sports question, invariably it would turn out to be something that EVEN I would know, like what sport gave Mark Spitz his olympic gold medals?
To answer Mosherose, there is nopthing wrong in spending a portion of Shabbos or ANY day, having fun. We are not ascetics, and one day after 120 years Hashem will ask each of us if we made enjoyable use of this world. Yes, we have a chiyuv to learn, but we also have a chiyuv to challenge our minds in other wholesome ways, and women, I would point out, do not sit and learn Gemarah, though we probably go to shiurim on Shabbos and other days whenever we can. I hope you enjoy your life, too.
EDITEDJune 15, 2010 2:53 am at 2:53 am #808949
“My world is teh torah world. In the torah world we dont waste shabbas afternoon playing games with no meaning.”
You didn’t answer my question. I asked if you always do as you preach here on YW.
I also live in a torah world but I do play games and I do other things which you yell NO to.
EDITEDJune 15, 2010 3:56 pm at 3:56 pm #808951
“Of the six categories in the original game, my weakest category is Entertainment.”
That’s my BEST one 🙂
For me, it’s always been strictly in this order (best to worst):
Science & Nature
Sports & Games
Arts & Leisure
As a result, when I play with Eeees, about 90% of the time she’ll take Entertainment as the final question and Arts & Leisure the other ~10%.
The WolfJune 15, 2010 4:09 pm at 4:09 pm #808952
Geography was always my best category.
Even if I was given a current version of Trivial Pursuit, I would barely know Entertainment questions.June 15, 2010 4:13 pm at 4:13 pm #808953
Even if I was given a current version of Trivial Pursuit, I would barely know Entertainment questions.
Heh. Same here. Over the last ten years the number of movies I’ve watched that were made before 1975 is probably about twice as many as the number of movies made after that date. 🙂
The WolfJune 15, 2010 4:47 pm at 4:47 pm #808954
Shabbas is meant for learning and davening. Not for playing games. How about if you spent your shabbas afternoon learning with your kids instead? Besides the fact that theyll do better by learning you also wont be oiver on bittul torah.
The only response I’ll give to this is as follows:
Considering you don’t know me, or my kids, nor my relationship with them, I would have to say that that’s a pretty presumptuous statement.
The WolfJune 15, 2010 5:09 pm at 5:09 pm #808956
Another game that I’m a big fan of is backgammon. I like it because it’s relaxing, doesn’t require too much deep thought and you can hold some pretty good conversations over a few games.
Of course, you’ve got to play with the doubling cube. 🙂
The WolfJune 15, 2010 5:13 pm at 5:13 pm #808957
What about playing these board games on a computer. Either against the computer or against a live player online. What do people think of that? How does it compare to playing a board game in the living room?
I used to play Chess online against other players.June 15, 2010 5:17 pm at 5:17 pm #808958
How does it compare to playing a board game in the living room?
For me, the social interaction is almost as important as the game itself.
The WolfJune 17, 2010 4:27 am at 4:27 am #808959
I would only play board games with other live people who are present in the same room as I. Playing with the computer is not the same fun as having human contact.June 18, 2010 3:54 pm at 3:54 pm #808960
I’m actually looking forward to another game of Wealth of Nations tomorrow. I just found the version 2 rules online which should make the game move a bit faster.
Perhaps I can even get my daughter and one of my nieces or nephew to join in for a six player game.
The WolfJune 22, 2010 1:10 am at 1:10 am #808961
“Perhaps I can even get my daughter and one of my nieces or nephew to join in for a six player game. “
Besides bitul torah and everything else I said you shouldnt be playing games with yoru niece becasue its arayos. Since you can marry your neice yur not aloud to have any contact with her just like anyother strange woman.June 22, 2010 1:11 am at 1:11 am #808962
“Of course, you’ve got to play with the doubling cube. :)”
The gemara says that mesacheik bkuvya is pasul for adus.
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