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    yankel berel
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    nu

    is AAQ going to answer the question re the leftists ‘acceptance’ of frum settlers who serve enthusiastically ????

    AAQ really thinks that the leftist establishment likes the frum settlers who do serve ?
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    #2472011
    yankel berel
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    @AAQ

    you are missing the point

    am not sitting in judgement on people and deciding ‘how bad’ they are

    am exposing your naivete

    and your lack of considering reality

    there is a clear ideological imperative in powerful circles in Israel to remake haredi youth

    in their own image

    the draft issue is being craftily used by those circles to achieve their objective

    as long as you keep on ignoring this real issue

    all your comments are nothing more than fanciful illusions

    no connection whatsoever with ‘analyzing feelings’ and no connection with ‘grasshoppers’

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    frum settlers are looked at with deep disdain and are considered abominable and hideous

    that is not my analysis at all . this is based on repeated published remarks by leading figures in the secular world

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    btw . can’t remember my posts ‘analyzing feelings of other posters’

    but as said before – will repeat it again .

    AAQ is ,as is his minhag, playing loose with the facts – again .
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    #2472025

    you don’t necessarily need acceptance by hard lefties, although that is not impossible, but if it would be good if you aim to get acceptance/respect from other pro-religious and traditional people in the “middle” of political spectrum. If you can form a position acceptable to such groups (and maybe do some compromises with them, not simply hope that they’ll join all your positions) – then you can have 60% support instead of 51% and with that, you’ll find a way to change political system.

    This method is easier to see in US – here people are forced to be in 1 of 2 parties. So, each of them tries to one hand find consensus within itself and at the same time broaden the coalition. When the majority has 51% support – there is always some chamber that is not under control, or one senator who decided to switch, it is not working. When one side achieves a larger consensus that it is able to change character of the country for decades to come (including assigning judges). It is harder to see in Israel as groups continue coalition bargaining even after elections, and people tend to form narrow political groups, but it should work the same – elect a larger coalition and then you’ll change what you want. For example, the things you don’t like in Israeli system are often a product of pre-1970s system when left had a super-majority.

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