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is AAQ going to answer the question re the leftists ‘acceptance’ of frum settlers who serve enthusiastically ????
AAQ really thinks that the leftist establishment likes the frum settlers who do serve ?
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.@AAQ
you are missing the point
am not sitting in judgement on people and deciding ‘how bad’ they are
am exposing your naivete
and your lack of considering reality
there is a clear ideological imperative in powerful circles in Israel to remake haredi youth
in their own image
the draft issue is being craftily used by those circles to achieve their objective
as long as you keep on ignoring this real issue
all your comments are nothing more than fanciful illusions
no connection whatsoever with ‘analyzing feelings’ and no connection with ‘grasshoppers’
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frum settlers are looked at with deep disdain and are considered abominable and hideousthat is not my analysis at all . this is based on repeated published remarks by leading figures in the secular world
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btw . can’t remember my posts ‘analyzing feelings of other posters’but as said before – will repeat it again .
AAQ is ,as is his minhag, playing loose with the facts – again .
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.you don’t necessarily need acceptance by hard lefties, although that is not impossible, but if it would be good if you aim to get acceptance/respect from other pro-religious and traditional people in the “middle” of political spectrum. If you can form a position acceptable to such groups (and maybe do some compromises with them, not simply hope that they’ll join all your positions) – then you can have 60% support instead of 51% and with that, you’ll find a way to change political system.
This method is easier to see in US – here people are forced to be in 1 of 2 parties. So, each of them tries to one hand find consensus within itself and at the same time broaden the coalition. When the majority has 51% support – there is always some chamber that is not under control, or one senator who decided to switch, it is not working. When one side achieves a larger consensus that it is able to change character of the country for decades to come (including assigning judges). It is harder to see in Israel as groups continue coalition bargaining even after elections, and people tend to form narrow political groups, but it should work the same – elect a larger coalition and then you’ll change what you want. For example, the things you don’t like in Israeli system are often a product of pre-1970s system when left had a super-majority.
@AAQ – Despite my disagreements with YYA and Yankel about the IDF and the RZ Tzibbur viewing IDF service as a net positive, Yankel is correct: Chilonim, and in particular the tzonbonim and progressives in the Merkaz – absoutely view the RZ Tzibbur as nothing more than cannon fodder. This has been brought up several times over the last two years in various RZ forums.
What to do about it is another story altogether and is something I’m quite frankly only willing to discuss with people who actually live in Israel.
reminder reb AAQ
the extra 9 % is not going to change one iota
you can have 60 % of the knesset voting with you and the evil SC will strike it down regardless
that’s not even counting all evil legal advisers – the one attached to the knesset , the one attached to the knesset comittee , the one attached to the relevant ministry , plus the evil AG
all the evil trouble they will make before it even comes to a vote
all of the above is encapsulated in one word : REALITY
which you ignore at your own peril
that’s why you come up with all your ‘wonderful’ ideas
each of which carries a hefty price in ruchniyut , payable in cash
and in return we get some air in a balloon
been there done that
there is no better teacher than – again – REALITY
this should become your new refrain – REALITY
everything starts and finishes with his same principle , you cannot wish it away – its name is : REALITY
the more you take it into account , the more chance there is that your ideas will work
because life is all about —- you guessed it —– ……. R E A L I T Y …….
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.…. When one side achieves a larger consensus that it is able to change character of the country for decades to come (including assigning judges). It is harder to see in Israel as groups continue coalition bargaining even after elections, and people tend to form narrow political groups, but it should work the same – elect a larger coalition and then you’ll change what you want. For example, the things you don’t like in Israeli system are often a product of pre-1970s system when left had a super-majority.
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—dream on reb AAQ
when you will bend your mind to reality , you will see that this comment of yours is imported straight out of lala land …..
time to make a landing on terra firma …..
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.yankel> you can have 60 % of the knesset voting with you and the evil SC will strike it down regardless
This is not how complex democracies work. If you have a super-majority for certain position, then the politics change. One of the major goals of these systems is to prevent minor majorities from doing big changes, and then next year changing back because 2% of population switched their minds. It is a feature, not a bug. If you were to have a position supported by super-majority, then the politics will change. It is not simply votes in Knesset, it is how PM can make his decisions without being afraid that the government falls, how various appointments are made … so, whether political system reacts to large majority is not an issue; the issue is that Israelis do not seem to be interested in achieving such consensus, but rather prefer to push their views through on others. In that sense, you totally assimilated in the Israeli culture, despite your claims of opposing it.
@AAQ
at the end of your unrealistic post , you came a drop closer to reality – yes that all important pivotal word ….
you started to acknowledge that Israelis may have a different way of operating , and that they may ignore consensus
I would say to that – well done reb AAQ
the Israeli reality is the ONLY reality which counts , not the US reality and not the European reality
and for sure not the utopia , we , or AAQ or anyone else, would wish to be reality
how we think ‘complex democracies’ SHOULD WORK or OUGHT TO WORK is totally irrelevant
the only issue which matter is how the country ACTUALLY WORKS .
as long as you fail to recognize this all important point
all your suggestions are worthless
so , let’s all repeat together again
REALITY – REALITY – REALITY ……
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.AAQ – Israeli SC “vetos” CANNOT be overridden by a supermajority. That was one of the key points being debated during the protests for and against judicial reform. The problem is that the Israeli SC gave itself de facto the powers of the President of the United States, where every law and every appointment automatically needs their approval or veto. An unelected body having such power is unheard of in any democracy. It actually gives them almost king-like power, since there is no way to challenge them or impeach them, and they have no fear of public opinion.
Yya, I am saying that in order to achieve a reform, you need a support of supermajority. If your current attempt to change is supported by 51% vote, it might not happen. Don’t get bogged down in details of who voted for what and what was blocked. Try to create a position that unites more people around it. That might mean changing yours a little bit. It is not easy, I understand. It is easier to say, like Yankel does- we are going to fight each other our way, don’t interfere with your lessons from other places. Then take the lessons from the times of BM2 and how it was impossible to stop all groups fighting each other.
YYA :
The problem is that the Israeli SC gave itself de facto the powers of the President of the United States, where every law and every appointment automatically needs their approval or veto.——————
Would like to correct you here if I may …
Israeli SC gave itself MORE THAN the powers of the elected President of the United States , as the President’s veto can be overridden by 2/3ds of Congress
whereas
the unelected SC’s power is totally unchecked
they have the power , TAKEN BY THEMSELVES , to override even the unanimous knesset
—-think about this – unelected , power taken by themselves
what is this , if not a putsch ?
no matter what so called “indexes” are being used to brainwash people who are perfectly able to think for themselves ….
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.@AAQ – YYA and Yankel are right about the HCJ.
The HCJ – by way of Aharon Barak and his cronies – seized power it had no right to. The HCJ is a massive protexia racket (to the point of children of justices doing their legal internships with fellow justices); it inserts itself into things it has no business being involved in, among many other things.
The whole point of the judicial reform was to take power away from the HCJ and put it back in line with the other parts of the government. And unsurprisingly, considering how involved the bar association is with judicial appointments, most lawyers in this country were against the reform (I personally know several – and it is very clear that the average Israeli doesn’t truly understand what separation of powers means, or they would be protesting the HCJ).
AAQ – Try to create a position that unites more people around it. That might mean changing yours a little bit.
What is נוגע to Yiddishkeit is not negotiable. As far as we’re concerned anything else is just a היכא תמצא how to keep the Yiddishkeit. If the SC would be FOR Yiddishkeit, we have no problem with the lack of democracy per se. The REALITY (a word Yankel Berel and I wish you would begin to understand) is that the SC/AG Junta are THE wedge dividing Israeli society, on all issues, and they will not relinquish power on their own. There is also no legal recourse to remove them from power because Israel has no constitution. You have to understand that Israel is currently a junta dictatorship. The ruling junta allows the elected government some freedom of action to maintain the charade of democracy, but they retain unchecked power to strike down any government decision they don’t agree with.
AAQ is Jewish
that much is sure …
ironclad proof from AAQ’s posts
reality stares him straight into his face
and still , true to the time honored Jewish midah of am keshei oref
AAQ keeps on ignoring it ….
he has a magic wand and voila …
he makes reality disappear …
he simply says the following magic formula : do not get bogged down in details ….
what you do not see , does not exist and … shalom al yisrael ….
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.To the esteemed chevra trying to convince me that you can’t find common language with the HCJ. I am not asking you for that. Maybe R Kook could have done this, maybe not, but this is not what I am suggesting.
I am suggesting finding common position with others that are close to you, not the furthest enemies. With non-charedi religious Jews; with traditional sephardim; with political centrists, who can be convinced with the argument that HCJ stiffles democracy; with Russians whose anti-religious views are shaped in several generations by their prosecutors .. and I am not talking necessarily about their leaders, as most politicians are driven by self-interest, but by the voters themselves – find positions that unite you all. They might require some compromises – not of the Torah as you suggest, but of politics.
AAQ said – “I am suggesting finding common position with others that are close to you, not the furthest enemies. With non-charedi religious Jews; with traditional sephardim; with political centrists, who can be convinced with the argument that HCJ stiffles democracy; with Russians whose anti-religious views are shaped in several generations by their prosecutors .. and I am not talking necessarily about their leaders, as most politicians are driven by self-interest, but by the voters themselves – find positions that unite you all. They might require some compromises – not of the Torah as you suggest, but of politics.”
Reb AAQ, with all due respect, you again show how unfamiliar you are with the reality of Israeli society. Most of those groups despise the SC Deep State, for their own reasons. Many of them were at the forefront of the protests two and a half years ago in favor of judicial reform, to no avail. The Deep State Histadrut threatened to shut down the Israeli economy if the people continue to “threaten democracy”. Orwell would have been proud. Even the elected government could do nothing. As far as your pipe dreams about finding “positions that unite”, that isn’t possible on the national level. The Chareidi parties as a matter of principle don’t interfere in issues not related to Torah and Mitzvos. They didn’t even participate in the demonstrations for judicial reform, despite the obvious benefits such reform would bring the Chareidim. The only thing we want is to keep the Torah as interpreted and taught by our Torah leaders. If Stalin ימ״ש would have been OK with that, then we would have been OK with him. As it happens, he wasn’t… But there is no inherent “value added” from the Chareidi perspective to having a democracy, or even a “Jewish State”, except as a היכא תמצא to keep the Torah.
None of this has to do with the interpersonal level, or even the local level, where there is much positive interaction between Chareidim (individuals and organizations) with non-Chareidim of all sorts. But on the national level, you have a small but disproportionately powerful group who want to force their Progressive ideas on the majority, and they (correctly) see the growing Chareidi population as the biggest obstacle to their goals. They don’t fear or even care about public opinion, because they aren’t elected and can do as they please, up to and including shutting down the country and harassing the PM with endless lawfare to the point that he is afraid to do anything that might upset them. This isn’t about politics, and cannot be remedied through politics, we are way past that stage. והקדוש ברוך הוא מצילנו מידם
@AAQ
listen to what you are proposing
you acknowledged the futility of finding ‘common ground’ with the SC
instead you advocate ‘finding common ground’ with voters
not the extreme voters , but the voters in the middle
I hear
but what is this going to accomplish ?
the power does not lie with the voters anymore
as REALITY has taught us – repeatedly
finding ‘common ground’ , as you are well aware , includes give and take
I do know what the ‘give’ will include …
but there is no ‘take’ , as those voters are anyways powerless to deliver on the issues which really matter
so, to rephrase your suggestion , in other words
you advocate for a capitulation , a sellout , give without take …
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very important notice here – we are not talking at all about altruistic giving here
giving without thought of recompense
an area in which haredi society EXCELLS …
am talking about modifying aspects of our children’s education and way of life – for what ?
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.YYA> Most of those groups despise the SC Deep State, for their own reasons.
Exactly, with the caveat of “most”.
> They don’t fear or even care about public opinion, because they aren’t elected and can do as they please,
This seems to be the key, necesssary, part of your position: SC has absolute power, thus Israel is not a democracy and there is no way around it. Therefore, we need to fight against the state. I do not agree. I don’t know how to prove that. From what I am reading, (1) SC is trying to prevent reform that weakens institutions and general character of the state, however imprecisely defined. It seems that updated version of judicial reform are sensitive to this concern and keep in place various supermajority requirements. So, this might pass the future reviews and is also, in my humble opinion, a healthy thing. (2) SC itself recognizes that major changes can be accepted when they are a result of compromise/super-majority between different groups. I don’t think I can absolutely “prove” it to you, just providing some basics for bitachon if you wish to indulge.
A better argument is Trumpian “what do you have to lose” argument (that he used to call Blacks to vote for him, and some of them heard him). Try forming a super-majority coalition and see what SC will do. Either it will work or it will not – in the latter case, an even larger part of population will be on your side in any of your arguments against the “elite”. So win-win. But, no – it is much easier to simply declare that you live under dictatorship and do nothing .. “the lion is outside”
YYA> The Chareidi parties as a matter of principle don’t interfere in issues not related to Torah and Mitzvos.
again, agree. This started when observant Jews were a minority – and over time, this position shifted, with stronger community and friendlier government after 1977. There were reasons given to to those shifts. It is not inconceivable that when your leaders see a good reason to be further involved, they will.
Maybe you can use R Soloveitchik’s shitah in US that allowed cooperation with non-O and other religions on social issues, but no compromise or even discussions about religious issues.
YYA> If Stalin ימ״ש would have been OK with that, then we would have been OK with him.
Abraham Hershel wrote about German Jews who would be ok with nazis except that nazis rejected them – in the 1930s in a nazi-censored publication. He wrote a “historical” article about Sephardi Jews who were kicked out right before Spaniards went into Americas and showed some brutality there. He concludes – it is better to be a victim than a perpetrator… I know you did not mean that, you just hoped to live as a dhimmi, but I could not miss a chance to reference this idea.
Maybe you can pursue your logic further – if you would be ok to live under commies (more realistically, an oppressive but non-ideological czar), then you should be at peace living in modern Israel. After all, you always have a chance to go to a neighboring country, like Jordam and now even Suria. As only several crazies tried doing that, it means that most of charedim appreciate zionist protection.
AAQ to YYA :
This seems to be the key, necesssary, part of your position: SC has absolute power, thus Israel is not a democracy and there is no way around it. Therefore, we need to fight against the state. I do not agree. I don’t know how to prove that ….—
I know very well why AAQ can’t prove it .
Because it is impossible to prove something which does not exist ….
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.yankel> not the extreme voters , but the voters in the middle … the power does not lie with the voters anymore
baruch shekevanti. Your attitude has very serious implications – you feel you deserve power (you live in a “modern democracy”) but you are denied your “rights” by the evil entities. Note that this was not a thing pre-modernity – as YYA argues, Jews have a lot of experience surviving under dictatorship. Indeed, one can argue that we have the best score here over centuries. So, your attitude is very “modern”.
So, when you feel self-righteous and entitled – then what are you supposed to do? Maybe you can clarify what is your other options if you don’t want to pursue your goals democratically.
Possible “solutions” go back at least to Dostoevsky (“if there is no G-d, everything is permitted”) – who traces it back to Napoleon; and to marxists – working people are permanently “exploited” therefore they need to destroy everything to save it. The dumb-down version for US it is “no justice, no peace” …
But I wonder whether you can demonstrate that you are indeed right – do you have examples where Israeli SC blocked significant super-majority?
@AAQ
baruch shelo kivanta
my attitude has no implications whatsoever besides the following :
restore the power to israeli citizens as it was for the first four and a half decades in EY
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.I never claimed to deserve any more or any less power than any other citizen
I do claim however that the collective citizens in EY have been defrauded
by crooks and elitists and hypocrites
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.I do not feel any more or less entitled than any other citizen in EY
what my options are – you ask ? the simple answer is ,
the same options as anyone else living under a dictatorship …
but at the very least , we should call it out as it really is , and not make believe as if those crooks and this fraud are somehow acceptable
like unrealistic AAQ insists on doing again and again ….
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SC says it clearly themselves —-black on white —- they own the right to cancel any decision , any law , no matter the vote !if they [subjectively] consider it ‘unreasonable’
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.hoda’at baal din keme’a edim ….
they themselves say this , loud and clear
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only clear to those willing to listen …..
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.yankel, I am not well versed in SC decisions beyond a couple of the ones in the news –
please give me an example where SC ruled against a large majority of public opinion.AAQ – “I am not well versed in SC decisions beyond a couple of the ones in the news –
please give me an example where SC ruled against a large majority of public opinion.”There are examples every day right here on YWN. Their handling of the case against the MAG is a particularly juicy example. Most of the Israeli public would like to see her head roll in the literal sense.
YYA, MAG is a good example: a quick check shows a poll 6 months ago – 41% for, 42% against, 17% unsure. Did this change by now? Maybe
If not, this is something you feel everyone is against because everyone around you is against …
This phenomenon is attributed to a Manhattan (Democratic) socialite: how could Nixon win the election, I don’t anybody who voted for him!@AAQ
we do not need any examples when they themselves are clearly proclaiming for anyone to hear
SC says it clearly themselves —-black on white —- they own the right to cancel any decision , any law , no matter the numbers in the knesset
even 120 – 0
whenever they [subjectively] consider it ‘unreasonable’
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.hoda’at baal din keme’a edim ….
they themselves say this , loud and clear
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.AAQ said – “YYA, MAG is a good example: a quick check shows a poll SIX MONTHS AGO (emphasis added) – 41% for, 42% against, 17% unsure. Did this change by now? Maybe”
Some things have happened since then haven’t they? Some new information has come to light.
“how could Nixon win the election, I don’t (know) anybody who voted for him!”
I am at least better positioned than you geographically. My neighborhood is also quite mixed – Chareidi, RZ, Traditional Sephardic, and Chiloni Ashkenazi, all on one block. And we do talk to each other. I interact with different people and hear what they say. Is that scientific methodology? Not exactly. But it’s a better vantage point than most participants here have.
YYA, right, that is why I asked whether anything changed in last 6 months.
I don’t see better answers. I also see Israeli trust on courts being consistently low for number of years without much change. It might be that any change that increases confidence of some part of population, it decreases confidence in the other.Here are a couple of tidbits I found:
gallup collected in Jul-Aug 2025:
confidence in courts 43% (v 46% a year before) – all at the expense of Bibi’s supporters (fell from 47% to 37% in a year)israeli voice index – confidence in democratic rule in mid-40s for last 15 years
I am obviously further away from the events, but I also have contact with all of these groups. Our town has representatives of all, maybe except NK, BH.
AAQ is again moving the goalposts smack in the middle of the game
the issue is not so much what the SC did
the main issue is the power the SC has taken without authorisation
the power to cancel whatever they want
arbitrarily , and unchecked
they themselves say this bepeh malei
as clear as can be
so polls are totally irrelevant to the discussion
thats besides the obvious fact that they are many times skewed or manipulated
why is AAQ ignoring the substance of the discussion ?
the SC has empowered itself [!] to cancel any type of law just by virtue of being ‘unreasonable’
even if passed 120 to 0 .
there is only one description possible :
illegal , and therefore criminal .
full stop.
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.AAQ – Polls are fickle (Kamala poised to win etc.) Israeli polls even more so. Israeli polls about issues dear to the hearts of the Progressive Left Secularists TM even more so. So ignore them. In Communist Russia they used Pravda for toilet paper. Here in Israel we have better toilet paper readily available, so the newspapers are unnecessary.
AAQ – My town also doesn’t have any (pseudo or genuine) NK. Probably because there are only a few dozen worldwide. But the people who do live here experience many of the issues directly, as opposed to reading about them in the media. That does make a difference.
YYA, I agree on polls especially on such specific edgy issues. Still, there are some core convictions that people hold pretty steady. It might look “ironic” and frustrating that 5% of people who change their minds based on some silly news article decide elections, but it is really part of the “mechanics” of a modern democracy. Given that politicians have more information about voters than other way around, we usually get roughly two competing groups, each of them is capable of calculating a set of competitive positions that add up to about 50% of votes. So, they fight for that remaining 1% and everyone is focused on that, but the bottom line is that we get a government that is reflective of at least 45% of population if you disregard hot topics. In essence, the system works such that both candidates are acceptable. This is way better than what Chinese or Iranians get. We should be modeh on that. In US, you can see the other alternative – in state and city elections, you get non-competitive 70-30 elections, leading to corrupt and lazy governments. Or fractured elections, where an extreme candidate get enter without having large support (see Weimar Republic and NY City).
But, the original question was whether Israeli SC will be able to overcome a large majority opinion of public or they are truly stiffling of democracy, as muslim overseers are in Iran. I don’t think we decided this one way or another. Maybe like yir hanedahet this never happened yet. Then, the best way to check, as I mentioned before, try to take a position that large majority of Israelis support (if this even possible) and see how it goes. Just saying – SC will overturn it anyway, we should not even try, is a childish position – used to excuse irresponsible behavior.
Yaakov: They have more than a few dozen at any given rally that they attend.
Over the past 40 years, thousands of young people
in New York City whose parents were Orthodox Jews
have gone “Off-The_Derech”.NONE of those young people were ever in the Israeli Army,
yet somehow, they managed to go “Off-The_Derech”.__________________________________________
“Kids in yeshivah used to call him NIGGER because he was Sephardic.”SOURCE: Off the Derech: Why Observant Jews Leave Judaism
(chapter 4, page 56) by Faranak Margolese,
Devora Publishing Company, year 2005 CE.__________________________________________
“The classrooms are overcrowded,
and if a kid doesn’t fit the cookie-cutter mold,
he’s tossed aside like yesterday’s garbage.”SOURCE: Matzav Inbox: A Nation in Deep Crisis, 2025 September 4
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“Our youth are walking away.Why shouldn’t they? What do they see?
Hypocrisy. Double standards.
Parents who preach values they don’t practice.
Schools that break children’s spirits instead of raising them up.
Why are we shocked when boys and girls run from it all?
The only surprise is that more haven’t yet.”
SOURCE: Matzav Inbox: A Nation in Deep Crisis, 2025 September 4
THIS IS OUR BIGGEST CRISIS RIGHT NOW MAMASH
The more I looked into it, one of the major reasons for OTD was not participating in the mamash murderous genocidal anti-torah israeli army (as horrific as it is) but more so that people (in the IDF, in yeshiva or wherever) have too much access to the internet which tells them things like “the actual history of Judiasm” saying terrible things like moshe rabienu “likely never existed” and that “the torah is a book of myths”
I can’t sleep thinking just how close people are to accessing this stuff. Two clicks and a google away. Anyone who can get there hand on a smartphone has AI or “Apirkores Incorporated” on their phone ready to answer them. I’m scared about the future of klal yisrael.flamingOTD — No offense intended, sir,
but with all due respect, you just committed MOTZI SHEM RA
against many thousands of good Jews who serve in Israel’s Army.Your place in Gehinnom will be even worse than the apikuris
people who you complained about in your recent comment.
(Sorry about that.)In addition to being punished for your MOTZI SHEM RA
against many thousands of good Jews, you will also
be PUNISHED for your INEXCUSABLE INGRATITUDE
against thousands of good Jews who serve in Israel’s Army.PLEASE DO NOT try to excuse your evil comments
by remembering events that happened in the 1950s CE,
before today’s Israeli Army soldiers were even born.
Doing so will just make you look foolish [again].FlamingOTD should be barred from posting
.@square_root and @yankel berel
I guess I’ll be roasting with the rest of the IDF and the genocide supporters in the name of klal yisrael. Also why do you assume you are chatting with a man here sir?
Ungrateful? Mamash I am so grateful to the abeshter for giving me my life and ability to live and practice here in the Arsot habrit. If I am not safe here than where am I safe? Israel’s government in it’s current form does not exist without US financial support. If this country turns on Jews we aren’t safe there either.
What I’m not grateful for is the murder of civilians and children in Gaza when we already have the protection of Hashem.
We don’t need to murder to earn that protection. If anything it puts Jewish lives at risk in the IDF in ertz yisroel and around the world.
The Zionist genocidal Ideologies have infected countless yiddim who would be focused on learning Torah and making lives for Jews around them better.
Instead they now are caught ideologically defending a genocide, teaching these practices to their children and bringing hatred upon yiddim from every corner of the world.
And then they call any critique of it antisemitism. Yet here I am a proud yid criticizing Zionism and the genocide it is inflicting. Would you call me an antisemite too? For wanting to protect my fellow yiddim from putting their lives at risk? For wanting to not support genocide and murder of civilians?
COULD THE MODERATORS BAR THIS EVIL DRIVEL ???
as if this is a genocide …
massmurder of yazidi’s is … real genocide
what hamas attempts to do is …. real genocide
hamas [and a huge part of arabs in EY by the way] want millions of jews to choose between the suitcase and the coffin
that hero of the arabs mufti husseini is remembered visiting aushwitz in ’44 and meeting hitler in ’41 in support of the good work done there – real genocide
this is the reality
and ignoring that reality does not make it go away
just the opposite
flamingOTD, your posts don’t make sense.
FlamingOTD, I have enough knowledge to refute many things that you said.
But I do not have the time or the patience to type detailed refutations now.
To make a long story short, you have been listening to the MSM
(Mainstream New Media), which is NOT a reliable source of information.On the contrary, the Mainstream New Media has been waging relentless war
against The State of Israel, 365 days a year, for more than half-a-century.__________________________________________
Eric Starkman (a Los Angeles-based writer and journalist) said:“The mainstream media has abandoned all pretense of objectivity.
Whereas in the past journalists viewed themselves as unbiased
chroniclers of the news, their focus today is on manufacturing it
and dominating the ensuing conversations.A journalist’s influence today isn’t determined by the quality
or accuracy of their reporting, but rather the size of their
Twitter following and the frequency of their television appearances.”SOURCE: Why Crown Heights Hate Crimes Aren’t Newsworthy
by Eric Starkman, 2019 February 17, in “The Algemeiner”__________________________________________
Harvard Law Professor Alan M. Dershowitz said:“I refuse to bend over backward to single out Israel –
or other things Jewish – for super-scrutiny.I refuse to gloat, as so many in academia and
the media seem to, over Israel’s shortcomings.”SOURCE: Chutzpah by Alan M. Dershowitz (chapter 7, page 211)
published in year 1991, by Little Brown publishers
ISBN: 9780316181372 * ISBN: 0316181374
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Sean Durns said:“But the Western press shows little proclivity for reporting
on topics that might cast the PA [Palestinian Authority] in a bad light.”SOURCE: article by Sean Durns, 2019 March 6 www algemeiner com
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Harry Maryles [an Orthodox Rabbi] said:“I am so tired of the extreme media bias. And yes. It is extreme….”
SOURCE: The Truth about Trump and Illegal Aliens
by Harry Maryles, 2019 July 12, haemtza blogspot com
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Laureen Lipsky said:“New York City has seen a huge increase in anti-Semitic attacks,
largely carried out against religious Jews in Brooklyn.Most of these incidents are ignored by the media.”
SOURCE: Anti-Israel Hate Marches Continue in Europe and the West
by Laureen Lipsky 2019/6/6, Algemeiner (dot) com
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David Friedman (USA Ambassador to Israel) said:“The next day [after the move of the USA embassy
to Jerusalem] the Liberal media vilified everyone
associated with the embassy move
and glorified the poor Hamas terrorists.”SOURCE: Deconstructing where American media has gone wrong
by Deborah Fineblum, 2019 June 14 www JNS org
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Matti Friedman (former Associated Press news reporter) said:“The big players in the news business practice groupthink…”
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“Many of the people deciding what you
will read and see from here [Israel] view
their role not as explanatory but as political.Coverage is a weapon to be placed at the disposal of the side they like.”
SOURCE: An Insider’s Guide to the Most Important Story on Earth
by Matti Friedman, 2014/8/26, Tablet Magazine, www (dot) TabletMag (dot) com
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Mark R. Levin (a lawyer and best-selling author) said:“Unlike the early patriot press, today’s newsrooms and journalists
are mostly hostile to America’s founding principles, traditions, and institutions.They do not promote free speech and press freedom,
despite their self-serving and self-righteous claims.Indeed, they serve as societal filters attempting to enforce
uniformity of thought and social and political activism
centered on the Progressive ideology and agenda.Issues, events, groups, and individuals that do not fit
the narrative are dismissed or diminished;
those that fit the narrative are elevated and celebrated.”SOURCE: Unfreedom of the Press (introduction chapter, page 2)
by Mark R. Levin, published by Threshold Editions, year 2019, NYC,
ISBN 9781476773094 * ISBN 1476773092
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“One [New York] Times opinion editor, Matt Seaton,
even admitted last year [2014 CE] that the newspaper
has a policy of VEERING AWAY from criticism of Palestinians.”SOURCE: Final sentence of article titled: “New York Times Editor:
Coverage of Israel Most Criticized Aspect of Opinion Pages”
by Shiryn Ghermezian, 2015 October 14, found in: “The Algemeiner”__________________________________________
Antizionism is not antisemitism. You guys have allowed yourselves to be ignorant to the actual issues at hand in the name of your ideology. And while we bicker Jewish lives are at risk defending this Zionist genocidal myth, and the Palestinians are being slaughtered. For who? For what? This is chillul hashem times a million. I am ashamed to be associated with such opinions just for being Jewish.
I am an antizionist yid and proud.
Radical anti-Zionists who want to dismantle the State of Israel,
more than 75 years after it was founded,
are like a mother who decides that she wants to abort her own child,
when that child is 25-years-old.Any mother who wants to “abort” her 25-year-old child
is a lunatic and a rodaif, and anyone who wants to
dismantle the State and Army of Israel, more than
75 years after they were founded, is also a lunatic and a rodaif.Every member of the Neturei Karta is a LUNATIC.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is a RODAIF.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is a MOSAIR.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is a TRAITOR.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is a CHILLUL HASHEM.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is guilty of helping to make anti-Semitism great again.
Flaming …, firstly, the name of G-d should be spelled using a capital letter at the beginning of the word.
Secondly, do you know what the word “genocide” means?!?this flamingo shoteh is nothing more than a shoteh gamur
he regurgitates blood libels and takes the side of those who would love to re enact october 7 again and again
he even is proud of his stupidity ….
it’s not a myth …. it’s plain reality ….. right in front of our eyes
I too am a antizionist yid and proud ….
I am seeing the barbarians thirsting for blood , and I am proud that I am honest enough to see and acknowledge the reality right in front of my eyes ….
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