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THE FACTS:
A woman is an Agunah.
He filthy rich Satmar father from Willimsburg “had enough” and hired a hitman to wack his estranged son in law.
The low-level loser he hired attacked the wrong person, totally innocent. (Not to mention he never even killed the guy). Victim of stabbing lives next to his son in law.
Cops are all over this and have questioned many people.
Walls closing in on this Satmar lowlife who will hopefully do 50 years for attempted murder after leaving the innocent man a crippled.Wait a few days and come back to this thread and thank me for the truth.
(PS: Keep fighting “tziyonis”!)
hearing this is totally true
I heard it was a diamond story… now hearing it is a bad bad bad get story.
If this is true, the father of the girl will do serious time, as well as the hitman. I wonder if they will charge the agunah.
Meanwhile, Dov Hikind and his ilk are screaming “HATE CRIME” nonstop.
What tipshim. How embarassing.
People are having a hard time accepting this story. I think it was a hate crime.
no idea what to believe anymore.
if this is true, it is another level of sicknessthis link is viral lolol and people think it’s a ywn story!!!!!!!!!
people are so stupid. this is an open forum where anythign can be published. such idiots
this. is. craaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazy!
The only silver lining of thsi story if it’s true, will be the plight of AGunos will go maajor news. People will see how these women will do anythign to e freed.
Wait until we hear that a Rov was behind this.
Yeshiva Man: The Mendel Epstein (who is now doing 10 years of hard time in Federal penitentiary) gang wasn’t enough?
@Joseph – None of them are enough. This is illegal behavior. We live in the United States. Not pre-Churban Bais Hamikdash, or Saudi Arabia. We follow the laws of the land,
Why is it always assumed that if there is a woman who can’t get a get, her husband is at fault and she is an “agunah ”
Maybe she is actually a moredes and he has a right to divorce her without giving her anything but she won’t accept? Maybe he is a good person and she is a witch and walked out on him?
Why is the automatic assumption that he is a lowlife???????There is no silver lining to this story.
The facts are, a frum heimishe yid hired hit men to kill another yid for supposedly not giving his wife a get. But it went down terribly wrong when the hit men targeted an innocent yid
. All involved should never see the light of day again.
I guess they didn’t learn much from the Epstein story.You’re all a bunch of lowlives that’s what I have to say
What if it is true? So what??
Why do you must be the ones to air klal yisroels dirty launfry???
You think that after 120 Hashem is going to thank you for being the geniuses to discover and broadcast everyone else’s wrongdoings???
That’s is your stories have any truth
The chafetz Chaim says that one who speaks lashon hara is not to be believed as telling the truth because if he disregards hilchos shmiras halashon who’s to say he’s machmir on halachos of telling the truth
Be quiet and do good deeds to merit the Jewish peopleKlug:
You make a valid point. The word “agunah” is being abused, and applied with inaccurate criteria. It never referred to a situation involving divorce. It was only used in Shas and Shulchan Aruch in reference to a wife whose husband is missing, and there is inadequate basis to establish death as a fact. I have grown to tolerate the misuse regarding a get, without forgetting that this is already a step away from truth.
Today, it is used universally to refer to any woman that has not received a get. This ignores the reasons for it. I am well acquainted with many cases where a settlement of the affairs has not been reached, and it is foolish to proceed to the get until this is completed. Ask any dayan. to’en, lawyer, or other askan who has involvement. One would hope that the matters at hand can be resolved easily, but that’s wishful thinking. It is commonplace that divorcing women seek to deny the children from their father. Beis Din may opine on this, but they have no enforcement authority, nor is a Beis Din recognized for these matters by the courts. Men typically seek to get away with minimal payments of child support. Either can demand return of gifts, full ownership of the house, and hosts of other demands. It is not infrequent that one of the parties demands a payoff of a sizable sum of money in order to grant or to agree to receive a get. These hanging issues can create substantial delay. I have heard countless cases where one of the parties responds to the hazmonos to Beis Din, and states that he/she does not want to divorce at all, and wants to engage in treatment to restore shalom bayis. This is a proverbial delay that guarantees nothing happens for quite some time. And when it comes to these issues, men and women are equally to blame. Either way, calling these women agunos is inaccurate, and thrusts the word even farther from its Torah intent. The situation could be pitiful, and either party might be the victim.
att. Alex Schindler
Participant and all his low level followers ……
shame on you all hatters who cant even try to hide their hate against others while there is no facts to even prove it as a likely possible story your hate makes you jump up and spread these low level spins ,,, come down and make an emergency landing in reality because when the facts will come out we will all come back and see how your hate drove you to create stories i am finishing the same way you did :
Wait a few days and come back to this thread and thank me for the truth.
(PS: Keep fighting โsatmarโ and williamsburg!)Is this the Rumor Headquarters, not possible to know the truth yet, so guys don’t show how stupid you are, to even argue.
I have heard countless cases where one of the parties responds to the hazmonos to Beis Din, and states that he/she does not want to divorce at all, and wants to engage in treatment to restore shalom bayis. This is a proverbial delay that guarantees nothing happens for quite some time. And when it comes to these issues, men and women are equally to blame.
TLIK: Why would you assume when one spouse sincerely is requesting shalom bayis, even if the other spouse is insisting on divorce, you’d assume insincerity in simply delaying the inevitable. The reality is that a spouse typically has the right to insist on the continuation of the marriage, as divorce on demand isn’t a right one spouse unilaterally can demand.
Joseph:
Because I am witness to so many cases of dead marriages that cannot be resuscitated, after affairs, outright abuse of various forms, and multiple failures at reconciliation. The spouse proposing this has usually approached therapists in the past, and presented their case in the likes of, “My spouse is sick and I am healthy. Fix him/her, and then we will talk.”
The sincerity you imply is actually uncommon. I agree that any chance to restore a marriage should be considered a worthwhile investment. But the motive needs to be honest. In the vast majority of cases, it isn’t. I speak from extensive experience. You don’t need to believe an anonymous blogger. That’s why I suggested that one ask any other askan, dayan, to’en, and therapist who deals with this subject.
As for the unilateral demand for divorce, just ponder this. marriage requires two partners with a shared goal to be happy together. When someone doesn’t want to be married to you, you will find it impossible to be married to them. For additional support for this concept, check out the posuk in Mishlei – ืืืื ืืคื ืื ืืคื ืื ืื ืื ืืืื ืืืื.
To #1. THE FACTS. We dont know yet the facts and you played judge and jury already. This is despicable. I have no idea if its true. If it is then itโs beyond horrendous.
Now u sound like a hateful Zionist. How about we are totally unaffiliated with Satmar and strong anti Zionist?! You wre are ultra excited to report on ur fellow jew true or untrue but non verified for sure, as long as u satisfy your hatred to anti Zionist people. Get a life!Hi,
It is very very upsetting to see how dear yidishe brothers enjoy to talk negative on other yiden, specially when this story is not confirmed!, reading this news, it seems to me that the author of this is a anti Semite big time! even he is a jew, he is a soine yisroel, willing that a jew should go into prison! chairing that satmere should sit in jail,
I love you! but i hate your anti Semitic writing!
Now follow this story:
HATE IN WILLIAMSBURG: Hasidic Teen Punched In The Face In Unprovoked Attack
When goyim see that yiddin beat thier own , what do u expect ?
I’m scratching my hand to check if I’m dreaming or living in reality – reading a real post.
Some anonymous nik created news with screaming headlines, news that is totally baseless, the police didn’t make any arrests, there was no court to give a chance for 2 sides to present their case, and here someone comes after a bad dream, shooting up fake news with a straight face stating that those are “the facts”, what a joke.
And it’s unbelievable that so many ppl shoul fall for it and right away buy any garbage someone is selling them, look at those rants! is this the “am chacham venavon”?Tango, where are goyim sseing that yidden are beating one another? Oh, you think that they read the fake news in coffee room?
I didn’t approve any of the posts on this thread.
Just wanted that to go on record.
It is my mind-boggling that people accept this rumor without seeing any proof. It is not only mind-boggling, it rishus. And it’s against halacha. And what does it have to do with Satmer?! I’m anti anti-Zionism and I don’t accept such stories without proof on the basis of yapping tongues. Nor do I accept any other rumors floating around. Until there’s no proof that it was an “inside job” I take it as an act of anti-Semitism, regardless whether the Ramapo Police Department rejects that idea or not. I believe these rumors are floating around because the “mighty” RPD does not want to admit that it was an act of anti-Semitism and so every second person will jump to conclusions who the perpertrators were. We’ll see in a few days time, I hope. But for now, these rumors can ruin people’s lives…it’s unfair and immature to assume things.
TLIK, the term is used by Chazal even for keeping a couple apart temporarily. It’s not a misuse. The reason you don’t find the term, or actually the concept, mentioned in the Gemara had to do with society and the way marriage and relationship worked.
Then how did this go through? <<DELETED>>
It didn’t!MODS! Why didn’t you edit the OP to read ‘My theory’? WHY did you leave it as ‘The Facts’?!
IT’S NOT FACTS! IS IT? HOW DID ALEX GET THESE ‘FACTS’?
HOW COULD YOU DO THAT?!!!
(For the record, I do not usually use all caps. This time it was necessary. Can’t you delete this thread?)
Mrs plony.
It’s about u got up and smelled the coffee.Mod-25
I believe that for a short while this thread was removed yet was placed back.
While this is an open chat, it would seem that YWN would censure something that is smearing an individual.
I believe that for a short while this thread was removed yet was placed back.
Weird, isn’t it?
Yeah, I thought so too
The Boss decides what stays here,
Oh.. So now we have mods modding each other.
I guess there is some sort of hierarchy at the modding station, in which higher-ranking mod reactivates this thread after the lower ranking mod thought that it is not befitting for this site to have a thread smear individuals, especially when its all speculation.
Who is this thread smearing?
All I saw is a story
Totally nameless
Actually better than making UNSUBSTANTIATED RUMORS that the victim was involved in bad stuff.ATTENTION JEWISHJEW HATERS!!!!!! Replace Satmar with Orthodox Jewish Rabbi, and you can go work for a New York tabloid.
WHY IS THIS THREAD BACK?! TAKE IT DOWN!
Apparently ploney has a problem with facts.
Apparently ploney has a problem with facts.
Just because something is true doesn’t mean you have to say it.
Buncha Yentas
MenoParticipant
Apparently ploney has a problem with facts.Just because something is true doesnโt mean you have to say it.
Buncha Yentas
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I don’t see u getting upset when goyim,or non frum get beat up or arrested.
What’s good for the goose is good for the gander!How was the OP allowed in the first place?
“2 โ Loshon Hara will not be tolerated at all. We are not and will not
become Lashon Hara central (keep this in mind when starting a thread).”We all assume they meant to include hotzaas shem ra too, right?
Either way…I donโt see u getting upset when goyim,or non frum get beat up or arrested.
Whatโs good for the goose is good for the gander!I have no idea what you’re talking about.
Who’s the goose?
klugeryid,
“Who is this thread smearing?”
Satmars. Witness the OP:
“filthy rich Satmar father from Willimsburg … this Satmar lowlife … (PS: Keep fighting โtziyonisโ!)”
Replace the instances of “Satmar” with “Jew” in the OP and you’d have something that a neo-Nazi would be proud to write.
“Actually better than making UNSUBSTANTIATED RUMORS that the victim was involved in bad stuff.”
Better does not make right. Stealing only $10,000 from someone is “better” than stealing $100,000.
my take, if anyone cares.
The facts, are very much unknown. Can they be true? it is possible, very sadly so.
Is it Lashon horah? well where did this man get his facts? if it was in some news outlet then its bifnei 3…
Also, i dont think its smearing the jewish community, aderaba, if it turns out that it did indeed occur, the jewish community should condemn it and take the person to task of course only al pi halacha.
As for those saying its a chillul Hashem, i dont think its a chillul hashem if a community realizes theres a person among them who did something terrible, i think that taking responsibility and condemning it is actually a kiddush Hashem. The way i see it, it would be a chillul Hashem if this atrocity DID occur and in meanwhile we are all yelling “HATE CRIME”.
You seem to have an incorrect understanding of the “bifnei 3” halacha. Please look into it.How was the OP allowed in the first place?
โ2 โ Loshon Hara will not be tolerated at all. We are not and will not
become Lashon Hara central (keep this in mind when starting a thread).โืื ืืืจื ืืื ืืืจื
ืื ืืืจื ืืื ืืืจื
I’m an am ha’aretz and it’s not in my family’s Michlul haMa’amarimv’haPisgamim, so it’s hard to look up. Please explain. : )
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