January 6, 2011 3:33 am at 3:33 am #1188567
Nails 101: Toes are supposed to be a shade or 2 darker than fingers.January 6, 2011 3:54 am at 3:54 am #1188568L613Member
Pearly White is a beautiful color. It looks like your fingernails are mother-of-pearl. And it stays on for quite a while as well…January 6, 2011 12:40 pm at 12:40 pm #1188569
Momofafew and cshapiro…it’s never assur,just considered a chatzitzah so involves a few more minutes…”dai…b’remizah”…January 6, 2011 1:25 pm at 1:25 pm #1188570
i guess we are just not that machmir lol :)))January 6, 2011 3:04 pm at 3:04 pm #1188571
cshapiro…I know it’s not applicable yet…just responding.January 6, 2011 3:16 pm at 3:16 pm #1188572
what’s the point of polish on the toes?? no one can see them anyways!!January 6, 2011 3:29 pm at 3:29 pm #1188573
sandrac…who are u calling no one??? ever heard of open toe??January 6, 2011 3:29 pm at 3:29 pm #1188574
sandrac-You see ’em.January 6, 2011 3:36 pm at 3:36 pm #1188575
frum people go open toe????? and nothing covering the toes????January 6, 2011 3:41 pm at 3:41 pm #1188576popa_bar_abbaParticipant
Are we really machmir on nailpolish?
It is anyway a miut v’eino makpid, so is only an issue of the Rema who holds any chatzitza is lechatchila no good.January 6, 2011 3:41 pm at 3:41 pm #1188577
sandrac: They aren’t supposed to.
I meant you see your own toes!YOU…as in you yourself.That’s also important!January 6, 2011 4:34 pm at 4:34 pm #1188578
Name a time and place!
Regarding nail polish on toes, no one really sees it besides family and friends (unless you wear open toe shoes) but that’s one of the perks! You can wear whatever you want without the stares!January 6, 2011 7:31 pm at 7:31 pm #1188580
Sandrac….i would say 90% of my shoes r open toe heels, some slingbacks. Have u ever heard of nononsense or silkies??. Its tznuis 🙂January 6, 2011 11:25 pm at 11:25 pm #1188582
By whose standards? Maroon nail polished toes sticking out of open toe high heeled shoes is very attracting, and not very tznius. Even if you are wearing pantyhose (pantyhosed toes sticking out of open toe shoes is so tacky, btw)January 6, 2011 11:37 pm at 11:37 pm #1188583
At the risk of getting killed here,I would like to point out that a pedicure does not rule out tznius:I know the polish takes a zillion years to dry properly,but going publicly in flip-flops is not 100% modest.While I promise you I don’t JUDGE those whom I see doing it–I feel it should be mentioned.January 7, 2011 1:00 am at 1:00 am #1188584shev143Member
Sandrac, I wear open toes and I love it. If it offends anyone, then they shouldn’t look.January 7, 2011 1:10 am at 1:10 am #1188585psach libi bsorasechaMember
dunno why my post didn’t go up, but anyway, my fave nail polish is french manicure. clear, with white on topJanuary 7, 2011 1:24 am at 1:24 am #1188586
eclipse, you are very much correct! it is totally not tznius! thank you for pointing it out!January 7, 2011 2:42 am at 2:42 am #1188587
Not a matter of tznius for me, but how do you get to the car in the winter after a pedicure? In flip-flops?? I did that once and got LOTS of stares.January 7, 2011 3:43 am at 3:43 am #1188588
wow pumper, r u calling me tacky??? ive been called names before but never that one…but to answer ur concern, umm dont wear reinforced toes with open toe shoes?!?!
everyone has there own standards its evident by all the coffeeroom posts, please dont impose ur machmir”ism” on the rest of us!!!! thank you 😉January 7, 2011 3:43 am at 3:43 am #1188589
“Not a matter of tznius for me”
What does that mean?
Whenever I got a pedicure, I waited in the salon for the polish to dry and then I put back on my tights before I left.January 7, 2011 4:47 am at 4:47 am #1188590
That I don’t think it’s a problem if my toes are seen by the general public. I don’t generally do it because it’s bad for shidduchim and all but I honestly think it’s perfectly fine.
It doesn’t perfectly dry by me for a while and I hate when it smudges right after 🙁January 7, 2011 4:50 am at 4:50 am #1188591
toes are not ervaJanuary 7, 2011 6:25 am at 6:25 am #1188592
never said you were tacky, just that people who wear pantyhose with toes sticking out look tacky. Its like wearing a spaghetti strap top with a shell underneath. Hello??
And going by what you said in other threads, you seem not to wear pantyhose all the time anyway, so don’t take offense.
No, technically toes are not ervah, but it is minhag hamakom not to go around with bare toes, so that is considered halachah for us, so no I am not imposing my machmirim as you call it, just merely stating the halacha.
it actually is a matter of tsnius, you just choose to ignore it.
by whose standards?
And if you would do something otherwise, why would the “not good for shidduchim” excuse mean anything to you. Do you want a guy who wants a girl who walks around in flip flops? If yes, then no prob. If not, then why are you doing it to begin with?January 7, 2011 6:38 am at 6:38 am #1188593
Pumper, wouldn’t it have been more tzniusdik to leave your tights on and cut holes by the toes?January 7, 2011 6:41 am at 6:41 am #1188594
dunno, it’s probably best to keep your toes covered on shidduchim. Anyone who’s attracted to toes is not what you want. Put on a nice pair of shoes and look for a nice boy.January 7, 2011 9:39 am at 9:39 am #1188595
pumper why dont u start a new thread about what you consider to be fashion nonos!!!
I would love if u could define minhag hamakom for me, and let me know who sets these standards???? is that like wearing tights in Jerusalem and flip flops in Eilat??? maybe my seminary and high school neglected to inform me of certain halachos, i guess they figured they were obvious….oh welll you live and learn rite?
dunno…as someone mentioned its crucial to be the real you. sometimes i wear short skirts or red dresses, but thats who i am, and if a guy doesnt want the real me than its not shayach, im not gonna fake it just to score a shidduch…January 7, 2011 2:44 pm at 2:44 pm #1188596Ken ZaynMember
Halacha pesuka: ANY part of a woman’s body that attracts attention and a man looks at for pleasure is considered an erva and ossur, ‘afillu etzba k’tanah’ . And this includes even finger nails and definitely toe nails!January 7, 2011 3:13 pm at 3:13 pm #1188597
apparently you never got a pedicure. They don’t only work on your toes, they do your whole leg up to the knee (moisturize, exfoliate, massage…) Leaving tights on would not be an option. Happens to be that I recently started wearing leggings and boots when I get a pedicure, so all I have to do is take of my boots and push up my leggings- very convenient!
I am far from a posek, but what I remember from high school (not TOO long ago) is that minhag hamakom is considered halacha for the people who live there and it has been minhag hamakom in America nowadays, it is proper to wear socks. Minhag hamakom only applies to areas that are not obvious halachos. For example, everyone agrees that covering the knee is halacha, and no minhag hamakom applies.
You are free to do whatever you wish, its your life. But don’t try to back yourself up with halacha.January 7, 2011 3:43 pm at 3:43 pm #1188598popa_bar_abbaParticipant
Minhag hamokom is presumably a term of art, and has the meaning ascribed to it in the rabbinic literature, not the plain meaning.
So I have no idea what the parameters are, but I am leery of attempts to define it by people who have never studied it.January 7, 2011 4:05 pm at 4:05 pm #1188599
for the men that dont know:
my anaklach have taught me that tights cover the foot
leggings just go to the ankle.
they couldnt believe that someone as smart i am wouldnt know such a basic fact.
i also didnt (i do now) know the difference between a skirt and a dress, i thought they were synonyms.January 7, 2011 4:08 pm at 4:08 pm #1188600
Thanks for clarifying for those not in the know. I didn’t even realize that people would not know the difference!January 7, 2011 4:10 pm at 4:10 pm #1188601
Let’s not turn this into a Halacha thread…
It’s not the guy I’m worried about. I want to be identified with a certain group and if I do something out of the norm, no shadbush will redd the type I want. It’s like wearing blue shirts. Even though most people don’t find anything wrong with it they still won’t do it.January 7, 2011 4:11 pm at 4:11 pm #1188602Sam l AmMember
Thanks Mod80, I didn’t know that stuff either.
Now what’s the difference between a skirt and dress?January 7, 2011 4:15 pm at 4:15 pm #1188603
a skirt is from the waist down
a dress goes up to the shouldersJanuary 7, 2011 4:16 pm at 4:16 pm #1188604
and i think ladies dont say “blouse” anymore
they just say “shirt”
but im not sure about thatJanuary 7, 2011 4:17 pm at 4:17 pm #1188605
You can say blouse if its a button down shirt.
Now to learn the differnce between pumps, flats etc.January 7, 2011 4:18 pm at 4:18 pm #1188606
Lol. We should prepare a quiz for all the men out there.January 7, 2011 4:18 pm at 4:18 pm #1188607
i thought pumps and flats were the same
but i really think i dont want to know any more
im pretty proud about my skirt and legging knowledge
thats enoughJanuary 7, 2011 4:20 pm at 4:20 pm #1188608
thanks for the blouse info
that explains a lot
my anaklach didnt seem to know what i meant by blouse but thats probably because they dont wear shirts with buttonsJanuary 7, 2011 4:21 pm at 4:21 pm #1188609
Pumps – basically shoes with traditional heels
Flats – shoes that are flat on the ground
Wedge – shoes with heels that have no space between the heel and the shoe (sort of looks like a triangle)
Platform shoes – shoes that have an extra flat section at the bottom to raise the height of the overall shoe (this one is tricky because it can be combined with the ones above)January 7, 2011 4:24 pm at 4:24 pm #1188610
do all women know this?January 7, 2011 4:25 pm at 4:25 pm #1188611
I have no idea. I would assume so since I am NOT fashion savvy at all and I know this.
Do all men know the different types of tie knots? I certainly don’t.January 7, 2011 4:25 pm at 4:25 pm #1188612
if you want to be associated with a certain group, then you have to do what they do at all times, not just when people are looking and taking note. Or else you are just an external faker (hope this is not too harsh…)January 7, 2011 4:45 pm at 4:45 pm #1188613
No, not too harsh. Just don’t agree.January 7, 2011 5:28 pm at 5:28 pm #1188614LAerMember
Mod 80, you made it to grandchildren without knowing the difference between a skirt and dress?January 7, 2011 6:41 pm at 6:41 pm #1188615
if you only do/don’t do something when people are looking or seeing is my definition of a faker.
If you don’t agree, then what do you consider a faker?January 7, 2011 8:39 pm at 8:39 pm #1188616
I wouldn’t go out with hot pink tights. Is it because I see something wrong with it? No. It’s just not something I’m going to do. Same thing here.January 8, 2011 7:24 pm at 7:24 pm #1188617
Pumper, first thanks for the tips. Second, it’s “Ralphie” not
“Ralpie”. And you are correct, I’ve never had a manicure but, even without knowing the joy of having my toenails painted, exfoliate sounds like something they sprayed on jungles in Vietnam – stay away from it. One thing I can say for sure, you’ve only increased my kavanah when reciting “shlo asanie isha”. Thanks!January 8, 2011 11:50 pm at 11:50 pm #1188618L613Member
Regarding pedicures and tznuah – I noticed the last time I got my (finger)nails done, they wrap up people’s toes in saran wrap after the nail polish dries during the winter. So that is a great way to avoid wearing flip-flops in public!!! Just ask them to do that in the summer when there is a bigger yetzer harah to wear flip-flops after a pedicure.
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