March 12, 2009 9:31 pm at 9:31 pm #589597
Are you staying home or going to family or a hotel for Pesach? I’m staying home and I’m just curious to see how many people go away to a hotel.March 12, 2009 9:45 pm at 9:45 pm #1008846
I am staying home. I never went away for Pesach. Although, if you asked me if I was able to go away, well, that is another topic in itself. Those brochure look so fantastic and a vacation for me, is when you don’t have to cook. A girl can dream, can’t she??March 12, 2009 10:03 pm at 10:03 pm #1008847
Ames, I love your oneliners!! How about starring in your own comedy show, maybe you can get a free room at one of the Pesach Hotels.March 12, 2009 10:07 pm at 10:07 pm #1008848
I know, I know, some people have a custom of not eating anywhere but their own home on Pesach.March 12, 2009 10:08 pm at 10:08 pm #1008849JayMatt19Participant
Home vs. Going Away? How about both?
I’m flying internationally on Chol HaMoed. (Not really sure what there is to eat in the Airport in Europe during a stopover, though I am looking into it).March 12, 2009 10:19 pm at 10:19 pm #1008850
JM, what airport?March 12, 2009 10:26 pm at 10:26 pm #1008851JayMatt19Participant
I am speaking with some Swiss friends of mine to try to get in contact with a Rov there so I can find out what (if anything) is acceptable.
One friend told me that MAYBE evian water is good.
These liquid rules stink, I’m not even sure If I’ll be able to drink anything. (And I will be traveling with kids!)March 12, 2009 10:38 pm at 10:38 pm #1008852postsemgirlMember
We go away. We never made Pesach at home. But we don’t go to hotels we go to Family. I think Pesach is time for family.March 12, 2009 11:05 pm at 11:05 pm #1008853
Postsemgirl – how much room does your extended family have 🙂
We stay home – I would rather cook than pack! And we happen not to have tens of thousand of dollars to spare …March 13, 2009 1:41 am at 1:41 am #1008855oomisParticipant
I am always home. Going away for me, meant going to my mom and dad zichronam livracha.The last five years of their lives, they came to me instead. They are gone 15 years now, and I have bnever had a desire to be anywhere but in my own home. Pesach is the only yom tov about which I feel that way. There is something very special to me about turning the house over – it feels new to me, so I really in many ways feel like I am “away.” I cannot really explain that. I suppose that if I had the opportunity to go to a reliable hotel, I would consider it, but the cost is too prohibitive to really be a viable alternative for me. And to be a little bit gaivedik, my kids look forward to my pesach specialties, and they don’t think anyone cooks them as well as I do. It’s not really that no one cooks as well as I, it’s more that everything I make comes from a long line of my Bubby’s and mom’s Pesach cooking, and THEY were superb cooks. I just was fortunate to learn from the best.March 13, 2009 3:25 am at 3:25 am #1008856
ames: i love controversy, debating and arguments. people who know me think im nuts but ya cant please everyone…and how is this thread controversial? although we (or i) can list all the negative things about going to a hotel for Pesach if you really want some controversy here.March 13, 2009 1:10 pm at 1:10 pm #1008857
I used to work as the hotel chazzan for a tour company in Los Angeles. It was fun, and the hotels were nice. But I gave it up when my oldest kid started first grade, and wanted to participate in the maggid beyond Mah Nishtanah. The older crowd who attended the cantor led seder didn’t have paitence to hear a six year old read the Hagaddah a little too slowly. So now we stay home, I make Kiddush and my kids read the Haggadah until they get tired, and then I take over. We miss the oppulence and the ease of just locking the door and getting on a place without having to turn the house upside down. But, the trade off of seeing the kids read and enjoy the Seder so much, is its reward too. Foregoing a vacation in the name of chinuch is just another sacrifice we make as parents.March 13, 2009 2:15 pm at 2:15 pm #1008858SJSinNYCMember
I’ve never made Pesach. We always sell our apartment/house and go to family. We used to go to my mother but my sister has three kids now and prefers to stay home so we all go there. Plus, they move the neighborhood shul to my sisters house for Pesach so my grandfather can attend.
For chol hamoed and the second days we will be at my seder.
One year I went away for Pesach – I was 16 and worked in a hotel as a daycamp councelor. It was a NIGHTMARE.
Cantoresq – we all love to read from the haggadah and take turns too! People used to think that was so strange when I told them, but I couldnt imagine just being a person sitting at the table and not participating in the reading/singing!March 13, 2009 2:51 pm at 2:51 pm #1008859
Thanks ames. SJSinNYC letting my kids read is a BIG concession for me. As I’m sure everyone here knows, I’m big into nusach and preserving the traditional music that are part and parcel of our ceremonies. The Haggadah too has its traditional chant. As a child, I and our 20 or so guests would sit and listen to my father intone the text, and intersperse his commentary. We all joined in for the songs, and his comments created some conversation during the haggadah, but it was clearly his show. I loved every minute of it and I wish I could, at the same time, make my Seder identical to his, and sit at his Seder again. The image of him at the head of the table, his kippah slightly askew and his glasses tilted the other way, wearing his freshly laundered kittel and chanting with his Hungarian accented Hebrew, and adding commentary that would impress political scientists, historians and roshei yeshiva, is one of my fondest memories. But my wife comes from a house were everybody reads and her parents join us for the Sedarim, so we compromise. The only thing I won’t allow is non-traditional music, no matter its source. Fond as I am of my father’s Seder, I’ve “corrected” certain melodies he used, substituting them for the true traditional tunes. His Echad Mi Yodea, which was identical to his Chad Gadya, was wrong. But he once admitted that he forgot the melody from when he was a child. Eventually my kids will (hopefully) learn the nusach and the music and I’ll enjoy hearing it. When they get old enough, I’ll put in the commentary as well.March 13, 2009 3:37 pm at 3:37 pm #1008860InShidduchimMember
i have been an in hotel since i was little cuz my grandparents took us every year. the food is great and its nice that the whole family is together. we do have a private seder… but still THERE IS NOTHING LIKE STAYING HOME!!! you can be comf in ur own place without having a fashion show for every meal. there are ppl that have to bring like 27 outfits… i mean how can one CHAS V’SHLOM wear the same outfit twice!?!?! i think that hotels are stupid and my little cousins still complain on chol hamoed in the hotle that they have nothing to do!!! you spend thousansds and its such a waste. instead, i think that everyone should stay home if they can! its the best thing in the world!March 13, 2009 3:56 pm at 3:56 pm #1008861aussieboyParticipant
My family used to go away (to family not to hotels) but now we stay home. Its nice but the cleaning kills me. 🙂March 13, 2009 5:53 pm at 5:53 pm #1008862JewessMember
Home + going away for holiday meals to family. I’d never want to sell my place for Pesach and go away. I love cleaning it–I mean I love it after it’s all clean for Pesach! It’s such a good feeling to know that your house is sparkling clean for the holiday. I’d never give up on that as hard as it may be.March 13, 2009 7:35 pm at 7:35 pm #1008863SJSinNYCMember
Jewess, I agree! I love the clean feeling of my house when its scrubbed. But due to limited time, I would rather sell my house than worry that I didn’t do as good of a job as I could have and think about a possible crumb that is laying somewhere.
Once my kids get old enough that its a pain to go away, we will more than likely go away for the sedar and then come back.March 13, 2009 8:36 pm at 8:36 pm #1008864Will HillParticipant
Is it really in the spirit of the Yom Tov to spend thousands of dollars to go to a faraway hotel?
Or is it proper to spend Yom Tov at home with your family?
Please think about this.March 14, 2009 6:13 pm at 6:13 pm #1008865Mrs. BeautifulMember
I always stay home, but I do have to admit that I really enjoy looking at the Pesach Hotel ads. They look so appealing! The food, entertainment, comfort etc.March 15, 2009 12:33 am at 12:33 am #1008866oomisParticipant
Cantoresq, something you wrote resonated strongly with me. You speak about the importantce of preserving traditional nussach. That was a very large part of my father O”H’s life as a chazzan. He devoted himself to teaching budding chanzzanim that traditional chazzanus is the most beautiful and meaningful form of davening for the omud. It bothered him to hear tefilos that had their own special chein, being sung like popular music. Personally, I understand the value in BOTH forms. Not everyone appreciates chazzanus as my family always did and does. But I do agree that the traditional nussach that has been handed down from Chazzan to Chazzan, should be accorded the respect ti deserves.March 15, 2009 2:22 am at 2:22 am #1008867postsemgirlMember
ChanieE- we have about 60 people at our seder bli ayin hara because all my cousins and their kids come. My aunt has a big house and it is very nice. I once thought about being at home for Pesach. It would be nice to do it once but we never did it. And also since it is all family it’s not like a fashion show in a hotel. Also living out of town (baruch Hashem) we really don’t get to see our cousins on the east coast so this is the time. I think it’s the best. Don’t worry I do my share of helping to clean and cook when I get to my aunt’s house!!March 15, 2009 11:55 pm at 11:55 pm #1008870
I am looking forward to staying home this year, the hotel scene gets a little old after a while.March 16, 2009 5:16 pm at 5:16 pm #1008871
shindy: the reason your staying home is because the hotel scene is getting old?! if so then thats pathedicMarch 16, 2009 6:25 pm at 6:25 pm #1008872JotharMember
Famous statement in the velt- if you go to a hotel, they wish you a chag kosher. If you stay home, they wish you a chag sameach…March 16, 2009 6:57 pm at 6:57 pm #1008873
i heard a story once that one time the hotel kitchen staff put out pure chametz. the chametz they were going to serve motzai yom tov, they accidentaly served it on pesach by the buffet. when they realized they grabbed it back and asked the mashgiach if they should announce anything and he said no, because then no one will ever come back. but stories are stories and though i dont believe them all, kashrus at these hotels has always been questionedMarch 16, 2009 8:34 pm at 8:34 pm #1008874JotharMember
I had yeshiva friends who worked as pesach hotel mashgichim. Many of them had horror stories, and wouldn’t trust hotel kashrus.
Some letter writer to the Yated once pointed out that in the zman beis hamikdash, it was considered perfectly acceptable to leave your house and go away for Pesach. True enough, but I wouldn’t compare the ruchnius of a “glatt kosher decadent luxury hotel ” to “sleep in a tent on the road with your animals with you” experience.March 16, 2009 8:41 pm at 8:41 pm #1008875
too bad these places cant advertise 5 star kashrusMarch 16, 2009 9:23 pm at 9:23 pm #1008876
I’ve been behind the scenes at hotels on Pesach and I’ve seen “issues” with kashrus. On the other hand, that’s life. Unless you shecht and kasher your own chickens and meat, milk your cows and grow your own produce, (and even then!), there are going to be problems … We try to minimize them, but life happens. Someone who is observing kashrus because it’s his job (whether just for the week or year round) won’t be as careful as someone to whom kashrus is an inherent value, and this is a problem at all levels of food production – from manufacturing to your local pizza parlor.March 16, 2009 9:26 pm at 9:26 pm #1008877lesschumrasParticipant
Is it really in the spirit of the Yom Tov to spend thousands of dollars to go to a faraway hotel?
Or is it proper to spend Yom Tov at home with your family?
Please think about this. “
It’s proper for each family to decide , not you, where it is proper for them to spend Yom Tov. JUst because staying home is good for you, is it possible that others might enjoy the spirit of Pesach by going away?
Please think about this.March 16, 2009 9:32 pm at 9:32 pm #1008878
“thats life” is not a toradig and halachic excuse or term to describe eating treifus or chametz on Pesach. its dioraysa and if people are not up to par to kashrus i wont eat there. when the monsey scandal and other scandals come out, frum Yidden dont just say “thats life”. we do teshuva and take all neccesary steps to prevent it from happening again. i am really saddened by your lax in attitude towards kashrus and now see why you are also lax about the laws of tznius.March 16, 2009 10:17 pm at 10:17 pm #1008879
“It’s proper for each family to decide , not you, where it is proper for them to spend Yom Tov. JUst because staying home is good for you, is it possible that others might enjoy the spirit of Pesach by going away?
Please think about this.”
lesschumras: i think the reason why people go away is ussually because they can afford it and are just too lazy to clean or cook or because their neighbors are going away and then they HAVE to go away. Also, because the kashrus at these hotels is so questionable they may be paying thousands to eat chametz on Pesach when they could just eat chametz at home for alot less… I think most people who go away will say the spirit of Pesach is much better at home but its just easiar to go away. writing a check is definitely easiar than making Pesach and everyone wants the easy way out. there would be alot more tzedaka money if everyone stayed home this yr and gave the money they saved to tzedakaMarch 16, 2009 10:50 pm at 10:50 pm #1008880
flatbush27, it must be so mind boggling frustrating for you to see the entire world going to he– in a handbasket. If only people could just do what you tell them, life would be so much better.March 16, 2009 10:57 pm at 10:57 pm #100888122OldGoldParticipant
We stay home. My mother doesn’t like going away because its not really family time at a hotel. We have a lot of guests and it’s much more fun and personal. Plus we don’t eat out at restruants on Pesach so I don’t think we would trust a hotel.March 16, 2009 11:49 pm at 11:49 pm #1008882
flatbush 27, there are advantages to staying home and advantages to going away. But I see no advantages for a person posting things to other people in a manner not becoming to a Jew. Please show refinement and respect for others when you write here. Thank you very much.March 17, 2009 12:45 am at 12:45 am #1008883
whoa. chill out everyone. what did i say this time? do you think hotels have no kashrus issues? or do you think its good that people spend thousands of dollars in a recession on a 5 star hotel, plus airfare when many families this year can barely make Pesach? i dont think ppl. who go to hotels are going to gehinnom c”v, unless they eat chametz or treif or go mixed swimming or other assur stuff. but i just think it is mind boggling to think people are spending thousands of dollars on Pesach when some can barely make it.March 17, 2009 1:01 am at 1:01 am #1008884
There are very chashuvah Rabbonim who go to Pesach hotels. Rabbi Frand, Rabbi Pesach Krohn, Rabbi Dovid Goldwasser, Rabbi Yaakov Horowitz. If it weren’t kosher enough do you think they would go?March 17, 2009 1:04 am at 1:04 am #1008885
they speak there. they dont eat there.March 17, 2009 1:12 am at 1:12 am #1008886yankdownunderMember
f27- what people decide to do as far staying home or spending Pesach at a hotel charging thousands of dollars for the chag is their business not yours or mine. If anyone speaks, or contacts you by e-mail… regarding their Pesach Plans then you are free to comment. Let Hashem, Gadolim, and our families guide us to make the right decisions.March 17, 2009 1:18 am at 1:18 am #1008887baal kishronParticipant
thats interesting fb27 do you know this for a fact?March 17, 2009 1:37 am at 1:37 am #1008888
The Rabbonim I mentioned most certainly do eat there. Rabbi Frand goes to Friar Tuck every year for Pesach, he is there the whole yom tov and he does something very nice for neilas hachag. I know because I was there. He did not bring along his own food. For the sedarim he gets his own private sedar room, he has done this for years. We had a very nice time there, people were very nice.March 17, 2009 1:39 am at 1:39 am #1008889
yankdownunder-i dont see a problem discussing it here. if you do then dont post on this thread. the cr is meant to discuss various topics of interest and this is one of them.
baal kishron- i made that up. i really have no idea. i shouldnt have done that but i am sure some of these hotels have good kashrus. but there are always stories circulating in the velt about these hotels kashrus. i dont believe all of them but it gives the impression kashrus at these places is not what it should be, although as i said before i am sure there are some that are fine.March 17, 2009 1:47 am at 1:47 am #1008890baal kishronParticipant
FB27 personally i think thats pretty sad if you are making up facts to support your arguments i could be reading you all wrong but maybe you should rethink your position as a poster in the cr a little and dont go on the offensive all the time another tip try to reread your posts as if you were another person and see if it might be coming across too strong because if you really want ppl to listen to what you have to say the way to go about that is definately not by insulting them even if it was unintentionalMarch 17, 2009 1:53 am at 1:53 am #1008892
flatbush27, you just admitted that you “made up” the “fact” you’d posted earlier, that the chashuve rabbonim who speak at hotels for pesach don’t actually eat there. Would you have admitted this if you hadn’t been challenged by baal kishron and shindy? Then you cite “stories circulating in the velt” as proof that kashrus “at these places” is not acceptable. How do you know those stories aren’t made up either?
Lest you think I’m writing this to justify my own practice of going away for pesach, I’ll add here that I’ve never gone away for pesach and can’t see myself doing it in the forseeable future. For myself & my family it wouldn’t be a good fit at this time, and we couldn’t afford it. But to condemn other people who do so as not caring about kashrus is simply irresponsible.March 17, 2009 1:56 am at 1:56 am #1008893yankdownunderMember
In other words if I do not agree with what you write then I am excluded from commenting on this particular thread- I do not think so that is up to the discretion of the YW moderators thank you!March 17, 2009 2:00 am at 2:00 am #1008894
am also lax about the laws of tznius. That was a completely inappropriate statement to make and I would hope you see fit to apologize.
The Torah was not given to malachim. It is for us, to LIVE with.March 17, 2009 2:09 am at 2:09 am #1008895
flatbush27- I respect you for admitting that you made that up! I mean it!March 17, 2009 2:49 am at 2:49 am #1008896
anon: first of all i said right after i dont believe all these stories myself after i mentioned the stories. ok. i made one thing up. i admitted it. and i never condemned anyone. go away to a hotel. be my guest. i said after i am sure some of the hotels have good kashrus. all i think is maybe with people out there barely making it by they could spend a little less and make pesach at home
yankdwnunder: i have nothing against you. i never said if you disagree with me you cant post. i just said if you feel this topic of interest shouldnt be discussed then dont discuss it. if you do then discuss it.
chanie: i want to sincerely apologize for those comments. i misunderstood you. i thought you meant “well thats life, hence no big deal”. obviously kashrus issues will always crop up unfortunately but if we say this then we wont really be putting all our energy into kashrus. we need to say we are going to make sure they dont come up. but we just cant say well thats what happens after they do happen. we need to try to make sure it doesnt happen again.March 17, 2009 2:56 am at 2:56 am #1008897
thanks shindy.March 17, 2009 3:16 am at 3:16 am #1008898
flatbush27, when you tell stories (which you now admit are fictional) about chometz food being served in hotels during pesach, you are condemning the machshirim and guests of those hotels. And regarding the cost of going away for pesach, presumably those who chose to go to hotels have considered all aspects of the situation, including costs, in deciding this is the best decision for them. Probably they know their situations better than you or I do, and are not among those who are barely making it.
Lively discussions are part of what makes the cr interesting, but pot-stirring gets dull very quickly.
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