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A viable solution to end 77+ years of unending and constant warfare and terrorism between the Arabs and Zionists, that has resulted in a century of grave harm to Jews inside the Holy Land and outside, and that has caused far more Jewish deaths and the maiming of Jews in Eretz Yisroel since the establishment of the State of Israel than in the rest of the world combined, is one non-denominational state, possibly with a neutral non-religiously significant name
With a one person one vote constitutional basis that makes no distinction regarding citizens religious or ethnic affiliation. And is open to all residents living within its borders on an equal basis.
Joseph Goebbels,
You should be tuned over to Germany for prosecution as an anti-Semitic Nazi, just like your close relative was. You’re not even Jewish.
lol.
a viable solution ?
with all citizens and their possessions’ security , enforced by ujm ‘s posts ….
quite a secure proposition ….
bet that ujm himself would not entrust his own security and that of his own children to such a proposition ….
he will be watching from a very safe distance ….
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.the arab world comprises over twenty countries
can you name one country out the twenty plus — equalling lesss than 5 p/c of the total , where such a system as you proposed is a success in safeguarding a very substantial group of non moslem and non arabs ?
and why you think that such a system will safeguard your own brothers in the face of overwhelming support within the arab population of hamas goals and methods
which include offering millions of jews a binary choice between the coffin and the suitcase ?
and in case of serious threats to the security of millions of your own brothers
who exactly is going to be ready to sacrifice their own children for their safety in a literal sense ?
and even if some people or governments will pay the necessary lip service committing themselves to do so
how many casualties will it take for them to ultimately buckle ?
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whatever you happen to think about the proclamation of the medina some 80 years agothis ship has sailed long ago
reality now is —
millions of your brothers are in sakana
and you [we all] are obligated to do all possible to shield them
irrespective of the futile blame game some are insisting on
like hatsala who do all they can to save people
without looking for someone to blame for this emergency
and only realistic solutions should be considered
.Brilliant. But then how will you blame the tziyonim when the Arab citizens kill Jews and the government doesn’t stop them?
I have an even better idea: LISTEN TO THE TORAH!!
THE TORAH commands us Jews to destroy Amalek 100%,
so that not even one of them remains alive.Hamas is the Amalek of our generation.
Hamas hates Jews even more than the Amalekites
who lived in the time of Moshe Rabbeinu ZTL ZYA.Neither Judaism nor Islam have “denominations”. That implies something similar to Protestant church bureaucracies. What the original poster probably meant was “Inter-faith” or “Multi-faith”. Good examples of how that worked out in Middle East include Lebanon and Cyprus.
Muslims might accept a state policy of tolerating non-Muslim religions, as long Muslims dominate the government and the government respects Islamic laws. It is highly unlikely that secular Israelis (who are still the majority, and dominate the “elites” of the Israeli ruling class) would tolerate restrictions on omen in public life, lack of civil rights for the LGBTQ+ groups, bans on pork or restrictions on alcohol sales (probably limiting them to kosher wines and spirts sold only in Jewish areas without public advertising, etc.). Most Hareidim would be content with communal autonomy, a fair taxation system and civil rights, and exemption from conscription and agreement that Jews were not subject to any laws contrary to Torah.
In effect, what Muslims would insist on is a return to the status quo ante from before the first world war. Hareidim would probably be content since Hareidim want to be left along and allowed to ignore the outside world and stay in a de facto ghetto devoted to Torah and Mitsvos. It should be noted that under the Ottoman rule, most Jews who were content to live with restrictions of being a “dhimmi” (similar to “Jim Crow” in America, but with communal autonomy). That system broke down when European nationalism was introduced leading to the Turks becoming less tolerant of minorities, and Jews want full civil rights. However if one is looking for a solution to the current war, the Ottoman system might be a good place to start. Note that once the Americans stop supporting Israel and start calling for the dismantling of the Yishuv (as early as Jan. 21, 2029) it will be much harder for the zionists to make a deal.
I think ujm’s point, is how the kids say it today “totally based”
I’d only correct, that as a sephardi arab jew I do not appreciate people calling this a “zionist arab conflict” I am arab, this is offensive and erases my history and mamash years of helige connection to the abeishter through arabic culture and practice (see keter aram soba) and living in relative peace with muslims in arab lands prior to 1947. Or as my ansestors would say “habibi things were great, now come have some lachmegine!”
Hamas does not hate jewish people, they hate zionists who stole their land and murdered their people. One state, one vote, worked following the end of apartheid in South Africa. It sounds like a good plan. I pray it has much haslacha.
To the Group
I wish I knew why so many people on YWN are obsessed with me. qwertyqwerty? How long before I’m accused of killing Charlie Kirk? I’m one of the better writers on YWN, I’m extremely logical and unlike a certain you know who I always speak the truth.
UJM, your latest comment ignores Islamic SHARIA LAW,
which absolutely requires that 100% of Eretz Yisrael
be placed under 100% Islamic rule,
with NO compromise and NO sharing power with non-Muslims.Islamic Sharia Law does NOT APPROVE of sharing
power or land with non-Muslims, because it requires
that ALL [100%] of non-Muslims be conquered
and humbled and treated as the inferiors of Muslims.in the non-denominational state, you will get exemption from the army service if you can recite by heart either Quran or Shulchan Oruch, or you can do half each.
Impossible and unrealistic . Poker game with nefashot and posessions of millions.
Not even a game , in realistic terms , but a scenario which ends in most probable mass disaster , unmatched since WW2 and tach vetat.
when was the last time you had a conversation with a yazidi ?
In an alternate universe – the answer is for sure yes.
but as we all know – alternate universes are totally irrelevant .
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.and the houthi’s , in your opinion – do they hate the jews ?
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.SQUARE_ROOT – Listen to the Torah!
Listen to the beginning of the Posuk: והיה בהניח ה׳ אלקיך לך מכל אויביך מסביב וכו׳ only afterwards תמחה את זכר עמלק. You first need a Jewish King, then Shaul Hamelech, now Moshiach.
ujm – There are actually people in Israel who advocate almost exactly what you are suggesting. It is called a “One State Solution”. That is the position of Meretz/Sheretz, Chadash, “Democrats”, and other extreme left political parties. Their political philosophy is called “Post Zionism”. These people are the biggest enemies of anything having anything to do with Yiddishkeit, and they are the real ערב רב of today, like what the old secular Zionists used to be.
@yaakov-yosef-a
as a Yid, what issue do you have with the “One State Solution” as a replacement for today’s government? (giving its proponents the benefit of the doubt that there is a practical path to that goal). Isn’t the “extreme leftist post-zionism” just the same as every other fully secular western government?Yaakov Yosef A:
The “old secular Zionists” are not “old” but very much exist today, and are very much Erev Rav.
As well, “post-Zionist” opposition to Judaism is far better for Jews than Zionist opposition to Judaism because Zionist opposition to Judaism stems from its need to redefine and replace Judaism with Zionism, while post-Zionist opposition to Judaism doesn’t have that ideological idolatry powering that opposition.@yankel berel
I am unsure the connection your trying to make
The Houthi’s had nothing to do with South African apartheid
Nor is the existence (or non existence) of Jew-hatred within that community relevant to this discussion.
If the parallel you were trying to make was that “black south africans didn’t hate whites like Hamas hates jews”
I would combat that (or at least the perspective of that), strongly.
White’s in apartheid South Africa were TERRIFIED of what integration of the blacks would be like if integrated into their society
They feared crime, violence, and revenge, after years of oppression.
While certainly said years of oppression created some (understandable) sense of hostility between the Black community of South Africa and their White abusers, these fears were mostly UNFOUNDED, and ultimately did not result in nearly the damage feared upon integration. For the most part integration in South Africa has been a very successful endeavor for all involved.If this story sounds familiar its why the comparisons are often made.
On one hand you have a supremest state, that fears the people they oppressed will revolt if there is every an attempt at integration (one state one vote)Hamas does not explicitly “hate jews” if they did they would be sponsoring international violence against Jewish people. They (understandably) harbor (in my opinion) righteous anger against their Israeli genociders. The same way we “hate” Nazis. Is it wrong for a Jew to hate a Nazi? Especially a Jew who survived (or is currently surviving) the holocaust. This is an active genocide, and totally anti-torah values.
For the Jewish nishamot, and the human beings that Hashem created that live in Palestine (including babies and children of all ages), this is an issue that is pressing and needs to be resolved as soon as possible. For the safety of everyone involved.
flamingOTD said this on 2025 November 27 at 5:21 pm:
“Hamas does not explicitly hate Jews.
If they did, they would be sponsoring
international violence against Jewish people.”
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MY RESPONSE:No offense intended, sir. But with all due respect,
Your recent comment contains MANY false statements.Since I do not have the time or the patience
to correct all of your many mistakes, I will just focus
on ONE false statement that you made recently.__________________________________________
The original Hamas Charter stated that the ultimate
goal of Hamas is to kill *** ALL **** Jews.All Jews in Israel, all Jews in North America,
all Jews in South America, all Jews in Europe,
all Jews in Africa, all Jews in Australia, etc, etc, etc.That statement got them in trouble,
so they changed it after a few years.
But the next day, the leaders of Hamas told their
followers that NOTHING HAS CHANGED.Iran, which funds Hamas and provides them with weapons,
bombed a Jewish Community Center in Argentina,
in year 1994, which killed 85 people and injured over 300.Please go to wikipedia.org and search for “AMIA_bombing”.
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The Hadith [an ancient Islamic holy book] clearly
states that The Last Day cannot come until
*** ALL **** Jews [100%] are DEAD.Many millions of Muslims believe that killing any Jew,
or being killed by any Jew, guarantees that the Muslim
[and his entire family] will go directly to Paradise,
without passing through the suffering of Purgatory.__________________________________________
Abdul Aziz told this to Harold Dickson in [year] 1937 [CE]:“Our hatred for the Jews, dates from God’s condemnation
of them for their persecution and rejection of ‘Isa [Jesus Christ]
and their subsequent rejection later of His chosen Prophet [Muhammad]…“Verily the word of God teaches us – and we implicitly
believe this O Dickson – that for a Muslim to kill a Jew [in war],
or for him to be killed by a Jew, ensures him immediate
entry in Heaven and into the august presence of God Almighty.”Abdul Aziz made this statement to [Harold] Dickson
as part of his protest at the Peel Report, Britain’s [year] 1937 [CE]
plan to partition Palestine into separate Jewish and Arab areas,
thereby granting the Zionists the basis for
the independent state that they dreamed of…”SOURCE:
The Kingdom: Arabia and the House of Sa’ud
(chapter 29, page 259) by Robert Lacey, published in year 1981 CE
by Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, New York,
ISBN-10: 0006365094 * ISBN-13: 978-0006365099The closest thing to that is the current state of Israel where Arabs Charedim X-tians and Secular can vote and enter the knesset.
it’s understandable that many would have concerns regarding security and the preservation of religious and ethnic identity. I’m curious to hear how such a model could ensure the rights and protect the unique heritage of the diverse religious and ethnic communities living in the region.
you have not answered my question
the houthi’s , in your opinion – do they hate the jews ?
.Impossible and unrealistic . Poker game with nefashot and posessions of millions.
Not even a game , in realistic terms , but a scenario which ends in most probable mass disaster , unmatched since WW2 and tach vetat.
when was the last time you had a conversation with a yazidi ?
In an alternate universe – the answer is for sure yes.
but as we all know – alternate universes are totally irrelevant .
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.“They (understandably) harbor (in my opinion) righteous anger against their Israeli genociders. The same way we “hate” Nazis. Is it wrong for a Jew to hate a Nazi? Especially a Jew who survived (or is currently surviving) the holocaust. This is an active genocide … ”
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YOU ARE NOT ASHAMED TO PRINT SUCH BLATANT LIES AND BRAZEN LIBELS AGAINST YOUR OWN BROTHERS AND SISTERS ??????
I CANNOT UNDERSTAND HOW THE MODERATORS ALLOW SUCH DRIVEL ….
HaKatan – “The “old secular Zionists” are not “old” but very much exist today, and are very much Erev Rav.
As well, “post-Zionist” opposition to Judaism is far better for Jews than Zionist opposition to Judaism because Zionist opposition to Judaism stems from its need to redefine and replace Judaism with Zionism, while post-Zionist opposition to Judaism doesn’t have that ideological idolatry powering that opposition.”“The “old secular Zionists” are not “old” but very much exist today, and are very much Erev Rav.”
Where do you see them? In Brooklyn? In Rockland County? I live in Eretz Yisroel, and I don’t see them here, except in the Beis Hakevoros.
The Israeli Supreme Court, the Attorney General, the Israeli “mainstream media”, and almost all the major players in the battle against Yiddishkeit in Eretz Yisroel, all subscribe to the Post-Zionist ideology (although they don’t necessarily support a one state solution in practice at this point, for the practical reason that the Arabs are not ready for peaceful coexistence…) Post-Zionism is based on Progressive ideology, which is pro-Toeva, pro-Arayos, etc. They want to replace Judaism with Progressivism and Universalism, which is the real המשך of Zionism – ככל הגויים בית ישראל.
“while post-Zionist opposition to Judaism doesn’t have that ideological idolatry powering that opposition.”
Of course they do, they just have a NEW AND DIFFERENT ideology of Rishus.
somejew – “as a Yid, what issue do you have with the “One State Solution” as a replacement for today’s government? (giving its proponents the benefit of the doubt that there is a practical path to that goal). Isn’t the “extreme leftist post-zionism” just the same as every other fully secular western government?”
Show me even one Arab-only country where democracy works altogether, let alone a country with mostly Muslim Arabs and other large groups. Do you know anything about the history of Lebanon? Are Jews able to live there today?
@yaakov-yosef-a
it sounds like your concern is that the stated goal is impractical. But my question explicitly side-stepped that issue.Again, giving its proponents the benefit of the doubt that there is a practical path to that goal, what issue do you have with the “One State Solution” as a replacement for today’s government?
YYA -It’s clear you live in E”Y because you have a realistic perspective, not some delusional vision of Jews and Arabs living side by side in peace and harmony. That never happened and never will. The old Yishuv lived and died at the mercy of Islam (Chevron massacre, anyone?). Islam is a conquering religion. They will never recognize Jews as equals, and we need some some form of hishtadlus to protect ourselves. It’s frightening to witness Jews drink the Hamas Kool-aid.
@yankel berelI
Blatant lies?
Multiple agencies outside and inside of Israel have named this as a genocide. Not sure where the lie is?
Those are important resources and I appreciate the thorough rebuttal.
I will say that our own Torah contains some not so flattering lines about how we think of goyim and what will occur to the surrounding nations.
While perhaps it’s not as explicit, there are those that can take the lines in our Torah and say that they are supremest and view Jews as superior life forms and goyim as akin to animals. There are also those that can say we have direct Torah commandments to take that land for ourselves, and that Zionism as a whole is a genocidal religious Torah based ideology.
We do not explicitly say we want to “kill all muslims” in our Torah (although many in Israel do talk about killing the arabs which is disturbing when you think of the existence of Arab Jews).
Still many times Palestinians have been compared to Amalek, a group we are clearly instructed to wipe out in its entirety (ie. Religiously motivated genocide).As well the current situation is not one in witch their goals are to wipe us out. The people of Gaza are having their food, health care, housing and education systems threatened and destroyed. Your naming one bombing in 1994, this is constant daily bombardment coming from the Zionist side. This is a human rights issue. And there have been countless violations here of Torah law and international law.
It is also clear that one nation has immensely more funding, support and power. Despite the fear mongering about the safety of Jews in the US, the US government continues to fund Israel well disproportionally to Palestine (billions per year vs millions). This is not just Trump, Biden and other neo-liberal Democrats did the same.
While it’s possible (albeit unlikely) that the socialist parties in the US around the world cut funding to this genocide, it is clear their policies and ideologies are about supporting the vulnerable, not harming yidden.
> that a non-denomination/non-ethnic/neutral State in the Holy Land would be absolutely safer for Jews
Many seem to be skeptical of such, but – why don’t you start such a state under any of neighboring states? There are several new opportunities right now – putting a frum peace corps in yellow-line Gaza, Southern Lebanon, Southern Suria – just go negotiate with the locals.
somejew – “it sounds like your concern is that the stated goal is impractical.”
Why is that not sufficient grounds to oppose something? Especially when “impractical” means literal סכנת נפשות?
“But my question explicitly side-stepped that issue.”
Of course, because you aren’t interested in the reality on the ground or how do deal with that reality. You just want more feed for endless debates about hypothetical scenarios that aren’t an option in real life. Something made easier by the fact that you don’t live here, and you apparently are willing to gamble with millions of Jewish lives. (As if someone in a position of power either on the “Zionist” side or the “Palestinian” side is asking you or any of us for our opinion.)
flamingOTD:
Multiple agencies outside and inside of Israel have named this as a genocide. Not sure where the lie is?—-
multiple millions seriously believed and propagated THE LIES that your own grandfathers – if they were at all jewish ….
drank gentile blood , organized secretly to take over the world in the name of satan , were responsible for deicide [if at all possible] ,
and were responsible for all possible imaginable ills of society
before I turn around , you should , in all your naivete [or despicable hate] , oh so ‘sincerely’ proclaim the very same : NOT SURE WHERE THE LIE IS ???
proof : multiple millions including very prestigious personalities stood behind this evil drivel ……
the same drivel which was the fuel behind real and repeated unspeakable horror visited on your own flesh and blood ….
you ought to be ashamed of yourself !!!
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.flamingOTD sounds like a meisit umadiach and a rodef
he repeats the lies and drivel used to murder his own brothers
yazidi’s did not practice any so called and false ‘genocide’ …… why were they slaughtered like cattle ? yes like cattle kipshoto ???
why does he think his own brothers will fare any better ???
is it because he has severed his own connection with them ???
is it because he views them as cattle ???
is it because he thinks they deserve to be slaughtered ???
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.ujm – What about this very partial list limited to Eretz Yisroel long before Zionism:
1517 Chevron and Tzfas
1660s Total destruction of Teverya, pogroms in Tzfas.
Early 1700’s Yerushalayim
1834 Tzfas and Chevron
1838 Mostly Tzfas
and more…
All involving mass murder and Hamas-style treatment of the women. You don’t know or care.
@yankel berel
Me ashamed of myself? You are resorting to questioning my Jewish lineage because of my belief systems. And using some pretty vile language too.
I’ll have you know I have yichus that goes back generations to the middle east, in communities that lived in harmony with Muslims. Unlike most of these white european Jewish Zionists who thought they could stroll right in and take land that wasn’t there’s and wipe out anyone standing in the way. These Zionists also weren’t too kind to Jews who were actually living in the region for centuries. Abuse towards mizrachi Jews from European Zionists has been well documented.
Not every Jewish historical story was the one you are describing ie. Christian and European anti-Semitism. Not everyone secretly hates Jews or wants to murder us. I deeply feel this is propaganda used to control our people and instill fear of the goyim within us, when we should be more focused on serving Hashem and being a light onto the nations, not terrified of the nations!
Your also comparing multiple credible organizations including organizations within Israel who credibly claim this is a genocide, to the idea of racist blood libel. This is not blood libel. This is if anything a repeat of the dynamics that once destroyed our “flesh and blood.”
One group as all the power and is deciding who’s lives are worth saving and who should be treated like a pest, or an infection needed to be weeded out. Sound familiar? Would you be surprised if I told you I was talking about the dynamic between Zionists and Palestinians?
Honestly I blame the US here more than I do Zionists I think the US is using the Zionist story and the defense of “antisemitism” as a very obvious cover to accomplish their goals in the region re: financial interests.
And in this it is many of our Jewish brothers and sisters who are risking their lives to support this lie. Everyday. It’s horrific honestly really sad that they are caught in the middle here.
I pray this is resolved quickly and deeply support a one state one vote solution to do this. We can live in peace with our Muslim neighbors. It is possible.
See Ramban, Sefer haMitzvot, mitzvot that Rambam “forgot” that Israel must be a Jewish state. Non’Jrwish citizens who accept that and obey the laws may have equal individual rights assimilar to gerim toshavim, but not national rights.
Date of Chevron massacre: 1929, which FYI preceded 1948. Yes, but the Zionists…as if our history isn’t replete with Jew-haters attempting to expel us from every country we’ve resided in and/or wipe us out. The ignorance is astounding but the self-hatred even more so. OTD person – the IDF is not genocidal. Seven million Jews live in Israel and all we want is to keep LIVING. We are fighting an existential war with a Death cult that wants to annihilate us as a religious imperative. They have forced Israel into a position of kill or be killed. Do we not deserve to live? Do our children not deserve the preservation of their human rights? Do you have any idea what it’s like to live your childhood out in a bomb shelter? Do you have any idea how many funerals your average 20-year-old boy in Israel has been to? I’m wondering if based on your deluded, hateful statements below, whether you are actually muslim or have never met a muslim other than propaganda-spewing tik-tokers. I’m sad that you hate your own people so much.
“As well the current situation is not one in witch their goals are to wipe us out.”
WRONG – see the Koran, the hadiths, and the Hamas charter.“The people of Gaza are having their food, health care, housing and education systems threatened and destroyed.”
Blame HAMAS – they invaded, kidnapped, raped and murdered citizens of a sovereign country. NOT WITHOUT IMPUNITY.“Your naming one bombing in 1994, this is constant daily bombardment coming from the Zionist side.”
Learn some history, or at least some current events.“This is a human rights issue. And there have been countless violations here of Torah law and international law.”
WRONG – neither – these are leftist talking-point falsehoods.It is also clear that one nation has immensely more funding, support and power.
“That’s because we don’t blow our money on TERROR TUNNELS. Our military is a DEFENSE force. And we work hard to build, innovate, create and contribute to humanity, including muslims.”“Despite the fear mongering about the safety of Jews in the US, the US government continues to fund Israel well disproportionally to Palestine (billions per year vs millions). ”
See the last point above.Sheker V’ chuzuv. May Hashem protect us from our enemies battling us from without and within.
Reb Ujm, who are you making this offer to? Every time any sort of peace plan was proposed to the Arabs, they refused. From before the State was founded down to today. Why is this plan different? Who would even be able to make such an offer legally?
Ujm said “We are following in the footsteps of HaGaon HaRav Elazar Menachem Man Shach zt”l, who also spoke theoretically when he paskened that it is absolutely worthwhile and even obligatory for the State of Isrel to surrender land to the Arabs for peace, if in fact surrendering land to the Arabs would result in peace.”
He wasn’t speaking theoretically. He was asked by the Chareidi politicians whether to vote in favor of the “Oslo Agreement”. He never for a second suggested the State of Israel surrender its entire sovereignty to the Arabs or anyone else, which is what you are suggesting. He also qualified his psak, as you said “IF in fact surrendering land to the Arabs would result in peace.” That’s a really big IF, don’t you think so?
ujm – “That being said, what I earlier stated that prior to Zionism Jewish life under Muslim rule was far far better than Jewish life under the rule of non-Muslims is absolutely 100% undisputable fact.”
I would cool it a bit on that “far, far better” stuff. The Muslims in the Middle Ages were in fact far better than the Christians, but they went through centuries of decline and radicalization, way before Zionism, and the Christians went through the Renaissance and Enlightenment which weakened the power of the Church. By the time Europe had come up with new secular “reasons” to be antisemitic, the Muslims had caught up with or surpassed them.
Rav Shach was not speaking theoretically at all. He answered real Sheilos both during the Camp David Accords and the Oslo Accords. Do you seriously think Rav Shach held it would be OK to surrender Israeli sovereignty ENTIRELY to the Arabs? Or are you again playing your game of moving the goal posts?
Over the past 100 years [approximately] the Israelis [or Jews]
made between 8 and 13 peace proposals to the local Arabs
[who are often misleadingly referred to as “The Palestinians”].100% of those peace proposals were completely rejected by the local Arabs.
And not only were they ALL rejected, they were ALL rejected
WITHOUT THE LOCAL ARABS ATTEMPTING TO MAKE A COUNTER-OFFER.And not only were they ALL rejected, without the local Arabs
attempting to make a counter-offer, they were ALL rejected
WITHOUT THE LOCAL ARABS ATTEMPTING
TO EXPLAIN WHY THEY REJECTED THE OFFER.
Every. Single. Time.To make a long story short, every day that The State of Israel
continues to exist is multiple violations of Islamic Religious Law [Sharia].This explains why Arab leaders have repeatedly stated that
any peace deal with Israel would be “a betrayal of Islam and Allah”.For example:
Islamic Religious Law [Sharia] require that non-Muslims
are NEVER allowed to rule over Muslims,
no matter how fair and beneficial their government is.This especially applies to Jews ruling over Muslims,
because Islam teaches that Muslims are the best people
in the world, and Jews are the worst people in the world.Additionally, hundreds of millions of Muslims
interpret The Koran as teaching that all Jews
are “descendants of apes and pigs”.Last but not least, Islam teaches that when Muslims make
peace treaties with non-Muslims, complying with those
peace treaties is optional. Islam allows Muslims make
peace treaties with non-Muslims, and then intentionally
violate those peace treaties, whenever they want to.lol
when considering and comparing the fate of jews under so called “non genocidal” arab rule
vs
the fate of arabs under “genocidal” Israeli rule
the differences are stark and staggering ….
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37 jewish places of worship in east jerusalem under ‘non genocidal’ arab rule ?
utter devastation
hundreds of arab mosques and churches under israeli rule ?
growth and expansion
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jewish population under “non genocidal” arab rule in most of the vast middle east ?
mass forced emigration , mass confiscation of property , arbitrary loss of life and limbs with zero connection to any security risks for the rest of the population
arab population under ‘genocidal’ israeli rule ?
healthy numeric expansion , dramatic improvement of life expectancy , dramatic improvement of income per capita ,
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military TARGETING of ‘genocidal’ israeli actions ?
armed men and armed under 18’s , locations used for weapons storage and armed men , even when they include dual use facilities like hospitals and schools , but never TARGETING civilians
military TARGETS of “non genocidal” arabs ?
civilians , children , buses , restaurants , civilian airplanes , markets , sport stadiums , civilians engaged in prayer and worship and the list is much longer
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so , flamingOTD , is misusing his language.
instead of reserving the the term genociders for the the side actually deserving it
he uses it to falsely describe the actual victim of genocide
if this is not a continuation of the classic blood libel then what is ?
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IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE WHAT THE COLOR OF YOUR SKIN IS
WHITE EUROPEAN OR DARK AND MIDDLE EASTERN
this is totally irrelevant — the above treatment meted out to jews under genocidal arab rule
were meted out to dark and middle eastern jews !!!
.ujm claims he follows rav shach ….
I would have him know that rav shach disapproved of equations of zionism and nazism as ujm is wont to do ….
I would have him know that rav shach directed his talmidim to stand and participate
in the minute long silence for yom hazikaron zecher to the fallen in israel
I would have him know that rav shach directed the degel MK’s to vote against the oslo agreements which were purporting to bring ‘peace’ ….
but instead brought death and destruction ….
I would have him know that rav shach directed vaad hayeshivot not to register any boy uninvolved in real full time learning ,
thereby relegating him to forced army service in the IDF of his time ….
was rav shach a zionist ? far from it .
was rav shach a realist ? definitely.
we , including ujm [!] , would do good in really following in rav shach’s footsteps ….
instead of only invoking his name when suitable ….
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