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Joseph Goebbels,
“If you were Jewish…”
You should be tuned over to Germany for prosecution as an anti-Semitic Nazi, just like your close relative was. You’re certainly not Jewish!
After the Balfour Declaration, in HaTekufah HaGedolah, page 174 to 175,
Rabbi Meir Simcha of Dvinsk (born in 1843 CE & died in 1926 CE)
wrote that “the fear of The [Three] Oaths has departed.”He expressed his approval of Religious Zionism
in Sare HaMeah, Volume 6, pages 233 to 234.– the status quo is a small pikuach nefesh ‘sakana’
the sakana of your suggestion is multiplied a thousand fold
one has to be blind not to see that
blinded by terribly contorted way of paskening like an aggadic maharal – against all codifiers of halacha
blinded by an ideological inflexibility of subservience to a so called shitah hakdosha
btw, the blind are not allowed to paskan any she’elot …
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.There is a very important psychological concept in enmeshed narcissistic hierarchical systems called DARVO
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OffenderThe quotes about “buying the bias of whatever you are fed” I mean c’mon here. Thats literally you.
Your denying the reality of palestenian suffering
attacking me for suggesting it
and reversing who the victim and the offender are
Oh let me play a sad song on the worlds smallest violin for the poor Zionist state, FUNDED WITH BILLIONS OF US DOLLARS.Regarding the questions about a Jew in a Palestinian town and a Palestinian in a Jewish one, your comments are totally off base. Palestine (or what the Zionists are calling Israel), has been turned into a ethno-supremist state favoring Jewish lives over all others. It erases the the history of the Arab muslims and Christians and others, who lived there prior to the Zionist rule. Palestinians are not safe in any Israeli town. Their rights have been stripped, and their land stolen. Palestinians are not safe from Israelis anywhere in Palestine! Not even in the area still being called “theirs” that is really just an open air prison.
I think one of the major things being missed here is the idea of systemic violence. Just because it’s done by a government and with laws and court approvals, doesn’t make it okay. The Israeli government and army, funded and supported with billions from the US, has systemically erased and genocided the Palestinian people. Just because its not with gas chambers, doesn’t make it not genocide.
I mean someone in this chat literally said they pray for the destruction of Muslims. I mean c’mon now. The Muslims are not the enemy of the Jews. Our real enemy is hierarchical power systems that treat human lives as an after thought. That is what got us in the Holocaust, that has what has got us throughout our history.
I am not denying Muslims were at points in power and performed these abuses. I am not denying the deeply problematic ideologies in the Koran. I could say the same for many Christian ideologies too which have been responsible for the loss of countless Jewish lives. But to pray for the deaths of “Christians and Muslims” when many of them basically share our same values is ludicrous and deeply Islamaphobic.
UJM, no, appealing to authority is not the most correct. That’s just oversimplified.
If you want to appeal to authority, why not the Rabbanut? Or the Reform movement leadership (more so pre-1970s but still somewhat correct)? They all have various forms of authority, like it or not. So you haven’t made an argument.“Actually, a subset of Arabs are proponents.”
They are not the majority and that matters. The position is irrelevant because it is a minority position. The fact is that Muslims have hated Jews from the start and the list proves it. Okay, there was a period in the Middle Ages where there were “rational” Muslims. The religion never fundamentally changed and history shows it was a rather short a period of time in Andalusia and part of Iraq, not the entire rest of MENA, where such tendencies never took hold. The majority have always viewed Jews as a barely tolerated minority – just like Christians. Go read Ibn Hazm’s Judenhasse-filled treatise from the 8-900s and the Rashba’s response to it a few hundred years later.
“The status quo is a Pikuach Nefesh sakana and has been for 77+ years.”
It would CV”H be worse if we let the Arabs become the majority in a non-denominational state, because everyone would CH”V be wiped out – the state would have become Muslim-majority very quickly. Would you like to see where that would leave us?
Again, the point is that your idea is naive, dangerous and completely impossible until Islam goes through a permanent reformation the way most of Christianity has (and no, I’m not denying the fact that there are rabid Jew-hating Christians. I’m from a part of the US where that is a fact of life).
As for appeal to authority being the most correct, you’re generalizing. Our Rabbonim cite previous authorities and the general consensus – almost in the manner of peer-reviewed article (That’s something somejew got right). By and large you do not see “XYZ said so, ergo it has to be ABC”. There’s usually a reason given, even if it is just “מנהג אבותינו בידינו”. On top of that, whose authority? The Rabbanut? Satmar? JTS? NK? Yeshivot HaKav? Like smerel said – they all have forms of authority
flamingOTD is the exact embodiment of her own libel of others:
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OffenderRegarding the questions about a Jew in a Palestinian town and a Palestinian in a Jewish one, my comments totally reflect day to day reality for the last 77 years
Arabs frequent 99 % of Israeli towns without any fear ,
while Israeli’s fear for their lives in most Arab towns .
THIS IS THE REALITY
as long as you deny reality your words are totally worthless …
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.how many innocent german children died in world war two ?
was that genocide ?
if not , why not ?
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UJM, really happy we’re making progress toward defining authority. You were so broad at first.
What I can say is that YOU are not authority. With absolute certainty, you would have supported those who burned Rambam’s seforim in Paris. You would be among the crowd cheering Ramchal sent to exile. You would support the Baal Shem Tov put in cherem. You just live in the wrong century.
Rabbis Ammiel Hirsch and Elliot Cosgrove are more authoritative and sincere than you. They are sometimes wrong but will actually have a basis for their beliefs, even if some are vacuous truths. You just lie about what <insert Torah true authority here> said to fit your narrative.
It’s very easy to mention people far greater than you, who have written thousands of pages of analysis on an overall higher level than ANYONE on this forum (including myself) as if that’s a source. Sit down and learn whatever you reference, then internalize it. You might as well be a Zionist for your obsession and by how much Zionism defines you.
There’s a reason you never quote the Chazon Ish on halachic shiurim or the Chofetz Chaim on refined speech. The Chofetz Chaim said many times not to believe everything you see on the internet, והמבין יבין.
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